Defining Atheism

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“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#2 Mar 12, 2013
I wrote the above for another thread, but it occurs to be that the issue pervades the entire forum, so a thread dedicated to defining it might be useful. It might also provide a bit of a FAQ that can be referred to once it has run its course--I expect it to be one of the short-lived threads even if it exhausts its single if not simple subject. Or maybe it will devolve into the usual bickering, in which case the first few pages may still be of use. Either way, I hope it helps.
Siro

Sydney, Australia

#3 Mar 13, 2013
Well no one gives a sh!t so far.....now what?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#4 Mar 13, 2013
Guess the thread dies even sooner than I though it would. No great loss.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#5 Mar 13, 2013
I think iron chariots has an interesting article on this very subject.

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php...

Perhaps the religious can start to actually listen to what atheists say about atheism instead of alwas injecting their own made up definitions.
NightSerf wrote:
I wrote the above for another thread, but it occurs to be that the issue pervades the entire forum, so a thread dedicated to defining it might be useful. It might also provide a bit of a FAQ that can be referred to once it has run its course--I expect it to be one of the short-lived threads even if it exhausts its single if not simple subject. Or maybe it will devolve into the usual bickering, in which case the first few pages may still be of use. Either way, I hope it helps.
Lincoln

United States

#6 Mar 13, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I think iron chariots has an interesting article on this very subject.
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php...
Perhaps the religious can start to actually listen to what atheists say about atheism instead of alwas injecting their own made up definitions.
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intelligent atheists seem to have valid ideas worth examining

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#7 Mar 13, 2013
I've never been comfortable with the terms "strong atheist" and "weak atheist." The terms don't describe the two positions as pass a value judgement on them. I'm no fan or imprecision or judgmentalism. Then terms "gnostic atheist" and "agnostic atheist" are more precise, but are not well understood by the larger population. There has to be a better way of delineating the two that is precise but not too nerdy, but I haven't seen or thought of one yet. Any ideas?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#8 Mar 13, 2013
Atheists a like a herd of cats, all being so strong willed and independent it would be difficult to get all of them to agree on a specific term.
NightSerf wrote:
I've never been comfortable with the terms "strong atheist" and "weak atheist." The terms don't describe the two positions as pass a value judgement on them. I'm no fan or imprecision or judgmentalism. Then terms "gnostic atheist" and "agnostic atheist" are more precise, but are not well understood by the larger population. There has to be a better way of delineating the two that is precise but not too nerdy, but I haven't seen or thought of one yet. Any ideas?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#9 Mar 14, 2013
Atheism doesnt need defining beyond the dictionary definition....

Oh, what's the use!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#10 Mar 16, 2013
For myself "strong willed, independant and feline extraordinaire ", there is but the one definition that I will use or accept as truth, Atheist = not theist.

Since: May 10

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#11 Mar 17, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
I've never been comfortable with the terms "strong atheist" and "weak atheist." The terms don't describe the two positions as pass a value judgement on them. I'm no fan or imprecision or judgmentalism. Then terms "gnostic atheist" and "agnostic atheist" are more precise, but are not well understood by the larger population. There has to be a better way of delineating the two that is precise but not too nerdy, but I haven't seen or thought of one yet. Any ideas?
There can be no such thing as "agnostic atheist".

"Agnostic" and "atheist" are mutually exclusive terms.

Since: May 10

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#12 Mar 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I think iron chariots has an interesting article on this very subject.
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php...
Perhaps the religious can start to actually listen to what atheists say about atheism instead of alwas injecting their own made up definitions.
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"Atheist" comes from the greek "atheos", which means "no god".

I'm not sure if those greeks were religious or not, and it doesn't matter either way.

Attempts by modern atheists to change the definition of terms is simply to seek advantage in argument. They want their position re-defined as an objective one, as in "no belief", and opposing beliefs thereby characterized as subjective and tenuous.

The fraud works among many atheists and other free-thinkers, that is, those with thinking so "free" they will sell it for little to nothing.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#13 Mar 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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There can be no such thing as "agnostic atheist".
"Agnostic" and "atheist" are mutually exclusive terms.
Generally, I would agree. Here is the catch, and I will admit, it is strictly academic. I am an atheist. I do not believe a god exists, any more than I believe that pink fluffy flying unicorns exist. BUT, if given realistic, compelling, evidence, I would have no choice but to believe. To date, I have not seen the above evidence for either god or unicorns. But again, strictly speaking, doesn't that make me agnostic, at least to a very small degree?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#14 Mar 17, 2013
I don't believe that any deities exist, so I self-identify as an atheist. But I also believe that it is not possible to know for sure whether any exist, so I also self-identify as a agnostic and see no conflict between the two. At any rate, this is an atheist forum, so defining atheism in this context is up to the nonbelievers who post here, not the theists.

Buck, you might try reading up on lexicography. It will open your mind to new possibilities.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#15 Mar 17, 2013
Exactly. Have you noticed that many theists, like Buck, recently have been working overtime to attempt to redefine atheism to fit their liking rather then what it actually is?

Atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive terms because they deal with two very different sides of the god coin. I by the way approach the god concept the same way that you do.
NightSerf wrote:
I don't believe that any deities exist, so I self-identify as an atheist. But I also believe that it is not possible to know for sure whether any exist, so I also self-identify as a agnostic and see no conflict between the two. At any rate, this is an atheist forum, so defining atheism in this context is up to the nonbelievers who post here, not the theists.
Buck, you might try reading up on lexicography. It will open your mind to new possibilities.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#16 Mar 17, 2013
Amazing how much we can all agree yet at the same time disagree. I flat out do not believe that there has ever been a, or for that matter any gods, and that is why I consider myself a non-believer, and should a god actually be presented and proven, I would no longer be a non-believer, but I would still be an atheist. One without theism, for a god to be proven to exist would not make me a worshipper.
Siro

Brisbane, Australia

#17 Mar 18, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
Amazing how much we can all agree yet at the same time disagree. I flat out do not believe that there has ever been a, or for that matter any gods, and that is why I consider myself a non-believer, and should a god actually be presented and proven, I would no longer be a non-believer, but I would still be an atheist. One without theism, for a god to be proven to exist would not make me a worshipper.
In other words you expect God to infinitely lower his standards so as to match yours because youre 'progressive' and 'entitled'.

You buttworm pissant.
You should be swimming in an all you can eat sewer pit.
You arseweasel
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#18 Mar 18, 2013
You're a mess.
Siro wrote:
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In other words you expect God to infinitely lower his standards so as to match yours because youre 'progressive' and 'entitled'.
You buttworm pissant.
You should be swimming in an all you can eat sewer pit.
You arseweasel

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#19 Mar 18, 2013
Siro wrote:
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In other words you expect God to infinitely lower his standards so as to match yours because youre 'progressive' and 'entitled'.
You buttworm pissant.
You should be swimming in an all you can eat sewer pit.
You arseweasel
Ahhhh, more words of compassion and understanding from the true believer. Obviously your anger debilitates your reading comprehension. LOL!! Let me make it easy for you.... When your sissy little god coughs up some proof of his existance, than I will believe. Until than he is nothing more than a little, weeny, angry, pathetic myth.

No proof, No God.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#20 Mar 18, 2013
Siro wrote:
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In other words you expect God to infinitely lower his standards so as to match yours because youre 'progressive' and 'entitled'.
You buttworm pissant.
You should be swimming in an all you can eat sewer pit.
You arseweasel
Oh, and as for standards... Your god doesn't even come close to meeting the standards of the lowest, scumbag, two-bit, person on this planet. According to the bible, he is a screw-up from the start, and hasn't offered anything of real value since. If he were real, and on earth, he would be locked away for all of eternity for being such an a**hole.
If you think god has high standards, you must be a real winner!!!(or you haven't ever read the bible)

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#21 Mar 18, 2013
Siro wrote:
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In other words you expect God to infinitely lower his standards so as to match yours because youre 'progressive' and 'entitled'.
You buttworm pissant.
You should be swimming in an all you can eat sewer pit.
You arseweasel
I think that would be the other way around. Why lower our standards to your gods.

If your comments are anything like your belief then I would think you would like to become more than what you are, with all the hate and loathsome thoughts that your god has taught you.

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