Atheism not needed for a life of grea...

Atheism not needed for a life of greater value/pleasure

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Anonymous

Cedar Rapids, IA

#1 Jun 10, 2014
I’m an atheist with the mentality of a religious person who seeks self-enlightenment and even though a positive perspective can be achieved through atheism, some people are better off with their positive perception of religion. Atheism recognizes the reality of situations (in this case, there being no God and no afterlife). Even though it is good to recognize the reality of a situation in most cases, this is not always the case. In situations where not recognizing the reality of a situation does no harm to you or anyone else and brings you personal pleasure, then recognizing the reality of the situation is pointless. In other words, since believing in God and such would do me no harm and wouldn’t make me harm others and would bring me personal pleasure in life, it would be pointless for me to be an atheist that I am now.

I am going to add something here for people who think that atheism has more value than any amount of pleasure through religious belief (even perhaps the greatest amount of pleasure a human being can have through belief in religion). No amount of intelligence or great things we do in life will ever make up for a lack of pleasure because in order to have such value towards these things is to have pleasure in the first place (as pleasure is what allows us to give value in terms of emotion towards these things). So it would be illogical to say that these things have greater value than our pleasure. Now if you were to somehow have value towards something with no pleasure, then this value would be nothing as it is nothing more than a thought. Pleasure is what gives any notion of value life and without pleasure, it would be completely dead. Therefore, pleasure is the only thing that matters and any notion of value is just a thought and nothing more.
buzzkill

Knoxville, TN

#2 Jun 11, 2014
Dude! Get over yourself!!!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#3 Jun 11, 2014
I disagree with Matt. There is lots of harm in religion, as with any superstition. He may be correct that there is no need to criticise people for believing things that aren't true, but the problem is that one tends to act on what one believes.

There is in fact much to criticise about religion, but religion's premise that faith and beliefs are good in themselves is wrong and religionists often don't subject their religious beliefs to the same objective criticism as any other beliefs. Obviously, religious beliefs cannot stand up to any sort of criticism. Obviously there's no Abrahamic god(s), nor any of these....
godchecker.com

I'm uninterested in religion and atheism, but I do object to:
religiously motivated ideology and violence (like Zionism or Islamism); religiously motivated child abuse (e.g. MGM, FGM and underage sex and child marriage); religious courts (where they tend to undermine the principle of one law for all); Creationism/ID; Scientology; - the list is very long. In the UK we suffer from 'Faith Schools' and unelected bishops in our upper house. So there is lots wrong with religion, apart from superstition - and religion can't be fixed. I look forward to when clerics take their place where they belong - beside witchdoctors and soothsayers.

Theology = mythology
Religion = superstition

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#4 Jun 12, 2014
Anonymous wrote:
I’m an atheist with the mentality of a religious person who seeks self-enlightenment and even though a positive perspective can be achieved through atheism, some people are better off with their positive perception of religion. Atheism recognizes the reality of situations (in this case, there being no God and no afterlife). Even though it is good to recognize the reality of a situation in most cases, this is not always the case. In situations where not recognizing the reality of a situation does no harm to you or anyone else and brings you personal pleasure, then recognizing the reality of the situation is pointless. In other words, since believing in God and such would do me no harm and wouldn’t make me harm others and would bring me personal pleasure in life, it would be pointless for me to be an atheist that I am now.
I am going to add something here for people who think that atheism has more value than any amount of pleasure through religious belief (even perhaps the greatest amount of pleasure a human being can have through belief in religion). No amount of intelligence or great things we do in life will ever make up for a lack of pleasure because in order to have such value towards these things is to have pleasure in the first place (as pleasure is what allows us to give value in terms of emotion towards these things). So it would be illogical to say that these things have greater value than our pleasure. Now if you were to somehow have value towards something with no pleasure, then this value would be nothing as it is nothing more than a thought. Pleasure is what gives any notion of value life and without pleasure, it would be completely dead. Therefore, pleasure is the only thing that matters and any notion of value is just a thought and nothing more.
Atheism is simply the absence of theism. If you are not a theist, then by default, you are an atheist. It nothing more than that. Your rambling serves no purpose.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#5 Jun 12, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is simply the absence of theism. If you are not a theist, then by default, you are an atheist. It nothing more than that. Your rambling serves no purpose.
Sure it does. It fulfills his need to feel like he's better than other atheists.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#6 Jun 13, 2014
BS.

Pascal's Wager is fatally flawed.
Anonymous wrote:
I’m an atheist with the mentality of a religious person who seeks self-enlightenment and even though a positive perspective can be achieved through atheism, some people are better off with their positive perception of religion. Atheism recognizes the reality of situations (in this case, there being no God and no afterlife). Even though it is good to recognize the reality of a situation in most cases, this is not always the case. In situations where not recognizing the reality of a situation does no harm to you or anyone else and brings you personal pleasure, then recognizing the reality of the situation is pointless. In other words, since believing in God and such would do me no harm and wouldn’t make me harm others and would bring me personal pleasure in life, it would be pointless for me to be an atheist that I am now.
I am going to add something here for people who think that atheism has more value than any amount of pleasure through religious belief (even perhaps the greatest amount of pleasure a human being can have through belief in religion). No amount of intelligence or great things we do in life will ever make up for a lack of pleasure because in order to have such value towards these things is to have pleasure in the first place (as pleasure is what allows us to give value in terms of emotion towards these things). So it would be illogical to say that these things have greater value than our pleasure. Now if you were to somehow have value towards something with no pleasure, then this value would be nothing as it is nothing more than a thought. Pleasure is what gives any notion of value life and without pleasure, it would be completely dead. Therefore, pleasure is the only thing that matters and any notion of value is just a thought and nothing more.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#7 Jun 13, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure it does. It fulfills his need to feel like he's better than other atheists.
There are no degrees of being "not theist". You are or you aren't indoctrinated.

.......... but whatever floats his boat. As long as he keeps his hands off weaponry that will wipe out his fellow man, he can wear his little IBTYA* tutu.

*I'm Better Than You Are

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