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Since: Jun 07

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#82 Jul 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Wrong. I have it.
YOu're not going to convince us to follow your imagination. It's better if you go back to your church / cult and tell them you failed to convert atheists.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Long Eaton, UK

#83 Jul 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
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My point idiot is how in your would did it all start?
Come on you're so sure of your theory's fill us in on how at one time did nothing become something. This of course is step 1 in evolution. Step 1 is a great place to start didn't you think?
Leaving the harder question in till last.
No explain how the big bang hereabouts is not the first step in evolution through natural selection, Darwinian evolution is the non-random selection randomly generated mutations based upon fitness, if it doesn't have DNA evolution has nothing to say to it.
No physics don’t even use the term nothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing#Physics
I myself do not believe there was nothing before the big bang all I define universe/reality as being is a collection of matter, energy, space time and scientific laws (even if we haven't got the right answer to what they are) that can (with the exception of laws) change forms, so in my definition is perfectly reasonable to say the universe did not have a cause I call it step saving in honour of Carl Sagan proposed a similar argument, why propose a uncaused supernatural origin to explain the universe when we can just when I can just say it always existed, after all we see things changing forms every day even matter and energy are interchangeable thanks to Einstein, and even a god or gods created the universe in its present form they would make it out of pre-existent “stuff”, and I can say that in till somebody can show me creation Ex nihilo or in simple words something coming from nothing.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Long Eaton, UK

#84 Jul 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Or radiation put there by God 6000 years ago.
So God was purposefully deceitful giving us false evidence? I think we can both agree that's not very Christian.
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#85 Jul 10, 2012
LMT wrote:
<quoted text>We can, and our most powerful telescopes are observing radiation that was produced as early as 300,000 years after the Big Bang. That's almost 14 billion years ago.
Bold boast. Science put the age of the universe at 13.7 billion years. So you're seeing past the beginning of the universes to 14 billion years. You should submit a paper on this you'll be famous!
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#86 Jul 10, 2012
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>Leaving the harder question in till last.
No explain how the big bang hereabouts is not the first step in evolution through natural selection, Darwinian evolution is the non-random selection randomly generated mutations based upon fitness, if it doesn't have DNA evolution has nothing to say to it.
No physics donÂ’t even use the term nothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing#Physics
I myself do not believe there was nothing before the big bang all I define universe/reality as being is a collection of matter, energy, space time and scientific laws (even if we haven't got the right answer to what they are) that can (with the exception of laws) change forms, so in my definition is perfectly reasonable to say the universe did not have a cause I call it step saving in honour of Carl Sagan proposed a similar argument, why propose a uncaused supernatural origin to explain the universe when we can just when I can just say it always existed, after all we see things changing forms every day even matter and energy are interchangeable thanks to Einstein, and even a god or gods created the universe in its present form they would make it out of pre-existent “stuff”, and I can say that in till somebody can show me creation Ex nihilo or in simple words something coming from nothing.
Ok so now you're bucking science that dated the universe at 13.7 billion years. You claim it was always there. One problem with that, the second law of thermodynamic. The universe is a closed system so it does apply.
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#87 Jul 10, 2012
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>So God was purposefully deceitful giving us false evidence? I think we can both agree that's not very Christian.
You're the one jumping to the conclusion of the age. God tells us when he built the universe. No deceit.
He spells it all out in the bible.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#88 Jul 10, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Ok so now you're bucking science that dated the universe at 13.7 billion years. You claim it was always there. One problem with that, the second law of thermodynamic. The universe is a closed system so it does apply.
But how do you know that it applies in the universe that this one formed from?

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Long Eaton, UK

#89 Jul 11, 2012
KJV wrote:
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Ok so now you're bucking science that dated the universe at 13.7 billion years. You claim it was always there. One problem with that, the second law of thermodynamic. The universe is a closed system so it does apply.
I say that the universe was all ways here in some form or another so no I’m not “bucking” science, I can/two say that’s how old this form of the universe is.
You by referring to the second law of thermodynamics you have done nothing but me explain, when we go down to the atomic level we see particles pop in and out of existence this has led to string theory which to function needs a new dimension that of “parallel universes”, they of course used universe in a complete different way than I would instead they're mean parallel universes in the same way as a sci-fi writer, even if this theory is wrong I can just easily say that the universe as I define it used to be more ordered, not only that but I can say that even if String theory is correct after all this collection of “parallel universes” is itself a closed system.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Long Eaton, UK

#90 Jul 11, 2012
KJV wrote:
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You're the one jumping to the conclusion of the age. God tells us when he built the universe. No deceit.
He spells it all out in the bible.
Actually the Bible does not say how long ago Genesis was it was calculated in the ye oldie by adding together the number of years that each biblical character along one family line apparently lived.
I can't find the guy's name but I will keep looking.
KJV

United States

#92 Jul 13, 2012
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>I say that the universe was all ways here in some form or another so no I’m not “bucking” science, I can/two say that’s how old this form of the universe is.
You by referring to the second law of thermodynamics you have done nothing but me explain, when we go down to the atomic level we see particles pop in and out of existence this has led to string theory which to function needs a new dimension that of “parallel universes”, they of course used universe in a complete different way than I would instead they're mean parallel universes in the same way as a sci-fi writer, even if this theory is wrong I can just easily say that the universe as I define it used to be more ordered, not only that but I can say that even if String theory is correct after all this collection of “parallel universes” is itself a closed system.
String theory has been proven wrong

Second law of thermodynamic says that your universe cannot have alway existed. Kind of funny you all claiming science over the bible but when Ii use your science to prove you wrong you claim science doesn't apply. And you quote failed theory's
KJV

United States

#93 Jul 13, 2012
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the Bible does not say how long ago Genesis was it was calculated in the ye oldie by adding together the number of years that each biblical character along one family line apparently lived.
I can't find the guy's name but I will keep looking.
The bible is the word of God and he gave us enough info to add up the years to know when it was created. So yes God told us when he created it. You are wrong.

Since: Jun 07

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#94 Jul 13, 2012
KJV wrote:
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The bible is the word of God and he gave us enough info to add up the years to know when it was created. So yes God told us when he created it. You are wrong.
Lying is frustrating isn't it? No matter how many times you try it, is seems like people just aren't believing you.

In the mature adult world, we like to look for things called "evidence" and "facts" to back up claims.

When you have grown up and have learned the importance of these things, then you might engage someone in an actual conversation that doesn't end in "f*ck your facts, godditt wah wah, sinner!"

Total Atheists converted: 0

Since: Jun 07

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#95 Jul 13, 2012
KJV wrote:
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String theory has been proven wrong
Second law of thermodynamic says that your universe cannot have alway existed. Kind of funny you all claiming science over the bible but when Ii use your science to prove you wrong you claim science doesn't apply. And you quote failed theory's
Can you explain String Theory to us all, as best you know it?

This should be fun.

Since: Jun 07

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#96 Jul 13, 2012
By the way, Since Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god, it can't be "debunked".

Unlike Creationism.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Long Eaton, UK

#97 Jul 14, 2012
KJV wrote:
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String theory has been proven wrong
Second law of thermodynamic says that your universe cannot have alway existed. Kind of funny you all claiming science over the bible but when Ii use your science to prove you wrong you claim science doesn't apply. And you quote failed theory's
How has String theory been refuted? And like –Skeptic- asked can you even explain String Theory?
And did you not reed my last post I can just say that the universe used to be more ordered! You responded to my to my response by repeating what I was responding to… if I did that you would be all over it.
Oh but it gets better if second law of thermodynamic shows the universe cannot have always existed then nor can your God have always existed and/or not change.

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