Do Christians worship an unreasonable...

Do Christians worship an unreasonable God, as atheist claims?

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#637 Feb 5, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
Jealousy as in humans is different than in the jealousy of God. I explained this before. God created man, why should they worship any other God but the one that gave them life? It seems a pretty fair request. Don't we expect our children to respect us?
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Jealousy is what it is: an evil, emotion.

It is a SELFISH one, too-- and that's ANOTHER flaw in your Gawd: extremely selfish.

It's obvious, look at commandment #1 of the Magic 10.

So far?

The flaws of your gawd just keep on pilin' up:

1) he's jealous
2) he's selfish
3) he's incapable of being near cold iron chariots
4) he cannot admit his mistakes
5) he punishes the innocent, to get back at the guilty (flooding the world to punish adults, and drowing innocent children as a side-effect)
6) punishes descendants for the sins of the ancestors (everyone gets punished because Eve was too stupid to out-talk a snake...)

No-- your god, as a deity, is a failure.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#638 Feb 5, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
You are giving examples of the OT, though. God changed after Jesus died as a Man and rose again.
Really?

Okay-- your Jebuz wiped out the free will of the money changers in his Temple.

In any case? Your Jebuz also specifically commanded you to FOLLOW the old testament's example...

... "I come not to destroy the Law, but to Fulfill it."

If Jebuz wanted you to IGNORE the OT? He would have said so...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#639 Feb 5, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
No, I didn't state it was lying, but that things were left out. I am sure you know there are a lot of books/writings that did not make it into the Bible.
Leaving out part of the truth is just another way to lie.

My claim the Bible Lied-- and you ADMITTED IT, stands.

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Since: Sep 08

La mia bell'Italia

#640 Feb 6, 2011
Now you are stating Jesus never existed? So many atheists have so many different beliefs it is almost impossible to keep up. Some of you say He did exist, but He was not God. Now you are stating the opposite. That is a bit of a quandary with atheists, they aren't all on the same page. What you wrote below has a little truth to it, but not much.
scaritual wrote:
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Sure it is, its the words of your god. That is the very specific import of those words.
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I never alluded to you changing your church.
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The myth/representation of the Jesus was certainly an exercise of Gnosticism and Docetism. It was an allegory from the beginning. Preceded by others before that specific story or lesson. Only after the symbolic representation of "man becoming god"(attaining enlightenment by striving for godlike qualities) had spread beyond those practitioners(Gnosticism/Docet ism) did that esoteric belief or practice become contaminated by various pagan beliefs and others who took it literally and claimed it as reality. They began to worship something that never actually existed in the first place.
That happens when people only have access to parts of a story or concept.
And I wasn't trying to instruct you.
<quoted text>
You are welcome.

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#641 Feb 6, 2011
The person responsible for removing the writings left out text, if you want to consider that lying, fine. However it does not mean the Bible is a lie, it means just what it is, it is missing information. And yes, I fully admit there are missing books from the Bible, why wouldn't I? It is the truth. I don't have to lie to defend my views.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Leaving out part of the truth is just another way to lie.
My claim the Bible Lied-- and you ADMITTED IT, stands.

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Since: Sep 08

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#642 Feb 6, 2011
Correct, He came to fulfill the prophecy of the Old Testament, he did not say to ignore it, and neither did I. God established a New Covenant with Christ.

The fact is the Bible states:

Matthew 26:28 "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.(Law of Moses)

With the coming of Christ, God has established a new covenant with mankind (Jeremiah 31:31-34, Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:8-13, 9:11-15). Jesus and His apostles gave us a radically new understanding of the true intent of the Old Testament Law; they brought a new era of the rule of love for all people and spiritual truth instead of rule by law (Luke 10:25-28, John 13:34-35, Ephesians 2:14-18).
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
Okay-- your Jebuz wiped out the free will of the money changers in his Temple.
In any case? Your Jebuz also specifically commanded you to FOLLOW the old testament's example...
... "I come not to destroy the Law, but to Fulfill it."
If Jebuz wanted you to IGNORE the OT? He would have said so...

“Stand Up for What You Believe!”

Since: Sep 08

La mia bell'Italia

#643 Feb 6, 2011
So parents who stipulate respect from their children are all of these things? So instead children should not respect their parents just as people should not respect their Creator?
That doesn't make sense.

I am not selfish because I educate my children to respect their elders, it is instruction, it is teaching them the correct way to live.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Jealousy is what it is: an evil, emotion.
It is a SELFISH one, too-- and that's ANOTHER flaw in your Gawd: extremely selfish.
It's obvious, look at commandment #1 of the Magic 10.
So far?
The flaws of your gawd just keep on pilin' up:
1) he's jealous
2) he's selfish
3) he's incapable of being near cold iron chariots
4) he cannot admit his mistakes
5) he punishes the innocent, to get back at the guilty (flooding the world to punish adults, and drowing innocent children as a side-effect)
6) punishes descendants for the sins of the ancestors (everyone gets punished because Eve was too stupid to out-talk a snake...)
No-- your god, as a deity, is a failure.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#644 Feb 6, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
I don't find it strange that God did not correct man at all.
Then you must not imagine a loving, benevolent God.
I also think God puts the onus on the human to find the "correct" way to worship Him.
So you think God likes playing head-games?
I never stated that God was not jealous and demanding in the OT, I fully have admitted that many times. Though once He gave His Son for our sins you notice the change in God and in the Bible. No more eye for an eye, now it is to forgive.
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God sure is inconsistent, isn't He? I shudder to imagine the entire universe having been created by such an entity.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#645 Feb 6, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
Jealousy as in humans is different than in the jealousy of God. I explained this before. God created man, why should they worship any other God but the one that gave them life? It seems a pretty fair request. Don't we expect our children to respect us?
<quoted text>
It's one thing to anthropomorphize your pet dog or cat, it's quite another level of ridiculousness to anthropomorphize and even psychoanalyze a creator God.

This is why it's so obvious that religion is simply psychological projection. Look at any culture's religion and you'll find that their god(s) consistently reflect their own values. This is why you'll never see anyone who disagrees with the deity they worship, because they created it themselves!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#646 Feb 6, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
The person responsible for removing the writings left out text, if you want to consider that lying, fine.
>>YOU<< are lying, when you claim the BuyBull is factual.

YOU.

Not some anonymous editor in the distant past-- YOU.

By your continued support of a book you >>know<< is false, you are lying.

Deliberately.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#647 Feb 6, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
So parents who stipulate respect from their children are all of these things?
Any parent who tries to force respect?

Yes-- that parent is a BAD PARENT, and ought to have his/her kids removed, immediately.

Respect >>must<< be both deserved AND EARNED.

Your god has neither.
East Haven 5 wrote:
So instead children should not respect their parents just as people should not respect their Creator?
See above. Respect CAN NEVER BE DEMANDED-- any being DEMANDING respect does not deserve it.

Period.
East Haven 5 wrote:
That doesn't make sense.
Of course it doesn't make sense to YOU-- you are deeply into the delusion.
East Haven 5 wrote:
I am not selfish because I educate my children to respect their elders, it is instruction, it is teaching them the correct way to live.
No, you >>are<< quite selfish as well as extremely arrogant.

You >>demand<< that the Ultimate Destroyer of Everything pay attention to YOU.

That is as selfish as it gets.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#648 Feb 6, 2011
wilderide wrote:
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It's one thing to anthropomorphize your pet dog or cat, it's quite another level of ridiculousness to anthropomorphize and even psychoanalyze a creator God.
This is why it's so obvious that religion is simply psychological projection. Look at any culture's religion and you'll find that their god(s) consistently reflect their own values. This is why you'll never see anyone who disagrees with the deity they worship, because they created it themselves!
So very true-- the gods of a culture >>always<< reflect the god's creators-- the people from within said culture.

Which, says a lot about the Christian Taliban in the USA.

None of which is either good or decent.

Plenty of fodder for hate, though.

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Since: Sep 08

La mia bell'Italia

#649 Feb 19, 2011
That's correct to some degree, though I still have some issues/questions with killing first born sons and people en masse. So I don't agree with everything.
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
It's one thing to anthropomorphize your pet dog or cat, it's quite another level of ridiculousness to anthropomorphize and even psychoanalyze a creator God.
This is why it's so obvious that religion is simply psychological projection. Look at any culture's religion and you'll find that their god(s) consistently reflect their own values. This is why you'll never see anyone who disagrees with the deity they worship, because they created it themselves!

“Stand Up for What You Believe!”

Since: Sep 08

La mia bell'Italia

#650 Feb 19, 2011
You are switching/inserting words. I did not post I "demand" respect from my children. I expect it, just as I expect they respect all elders. That IS the way children should be raised, if they are not taught that you get the problems we have with many children today, telling teachers where to go, etc. That is not good parenting. Respect is not intrinsic, neither are manners, both need to be taught by caring parents.

I don't DEMAND God pay attention to me; I don't know where you got that from. I have had some prayers answered and some very important prayers left unanswered.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Any parent who tries to force respect?
Yes-- that parent is a BAD PARENT, and ought to have his/her kids removed, immediately.
Respect >>must<< be both deserved AND EARNED.
Your god has neither.
<quoted text>
See above. Respect CAN NEVER BE DEMANDED-- any being DEMANDING respect does not deserve it.
Period.
<quoted text>
Of course it doesn't make sense to YOU-- you are deeply into the delusion.
<quoted text>
No, you >>are<< quite selfish as well as extremely arrogant.
You >>demand<< that the Ultimate Destroyer of Everything pay attention to YOU.
That is as selfish as it gets.

“Stand Up for What You Believe!”

Since: Sep 08

La mia bell'Italia

#651 Feb 19, 2011
Then you would be lying when you state that the Bible has no truth in it, it clearly does. Geography alone, taking out the religious aspect shows the Bible to be clearly accurate in many ways.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
>>YOU<< are lying, when you claim the BuyBull is factual.
YOU.
Not some anonymous editor in the distant past-- YOU.
By your continued support of a book you >>know<< is false, you are lying.
Deliberately.

“Stand Up for What You Believe!”

Since: Sep 08

La mia bell'Italia

#652 Feb 19, 2011
You seriously can sit there and type fodder for hate when THE most hateful person on any board is an atheist? Come on now you are out and out lying, no two ways about that. Everyone can literally SEE it.
Religion whether you like to admit it or not keeps people "in line." Keeps them from doing things that they might have done had it not been for God. You should know this; it has been studied extensively by both atheists and the religious.

The Bible may have hate in it, but it certainly also has plenty of love & gentleness.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So very true-- the gods of a culture >>always<< reflect the god's creators-- the people from within said culture.
Which, says a lot about the Christian Taliban in the USA.
None of which is either good or decent.
Plenty of fodder for hate, though.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#653 Feb 19, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
You are switching/inserting words. I did not post I "demand" respect from my children. I expect it, just as I expect they respect all elders.
That >>is<< demanding-- you expect it as if you'd brook nothing else.

THAT IS DEMANDING, SILLY!

Sheesh, bu you are too easy.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#654 Feb 19, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
Then you would be lying when you state that the Bible has no truth in it, it clearly does.
Only by sheer random chance-- NEVER INTENTIONALLY.

In any case? Can you name.... ONE SUCH?

No?

We thought not...
East Haven 5 wrote:
Geography alone, taking out the religious aspect shows the Bible to be clearly accurate in many ways.
<quoted text>
No. This is false, too.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#655 Feb 19, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
You seriously can sit there and type fodder for hate when THE most hateful person on any board is an atheist?
False the most hateful person is one of YOU.

My proof:(yes, I keep a file. Just in case... you christians are a most violent cult, after all...)

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" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
Harold Peterson wrote:
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I'm so glad that you will be tortured in hell.
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
Harold Peterson wrote:
I'll be sure to buy his book just so I can burn it the day he dies of cancer. That way I can celebrate both of them burning at the same time.
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
Harold Peterson wrote:
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All ATHEISTS NEED TO BE BURNED AT THE STAKE!
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;
Harold Peterson wrote:
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Go have a personal relationship with the end of a shotgun barrel you mentally deranged stinking PIG.
" http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T8BEMVP... ;
Harold Peterson wrote:
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Thanks for verifying why I think you should be pushed out in front of a bus.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#656 Feb 19, 2011
East Haven 5 wrote:
The Bible may have hate in it, but it certainly also has plenty of love & gentleness.
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Name ONE.

Can you name ONE PLACE that is "love" and/or "gentle"?

No-- you cannot-- for the tiny fragments that SEEM to be thus, when taken in the whole context, are just as hate-filled as the remainder.

That >>is<< the central message of the BuyBull: extortion, terrorism, death-for-forgiveness, buying-and-selling of people's lives (with death as the "money").

Even your Jebuz is an egocentric terrorist: he demands constant ego-stroking, or he will torture you forever.

I see zero love here...

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