If Christianity were true...
Thinking

Winsford, UK

#125 Aug 19, 2014
Prove they're the only choices.

Maybe there is a god that rewards non believers better than religious sycophants.

You can't disprove that.
Fisher of Men wrote:
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If Christianity were true...(for the sake of argument, we're assuming without question or doubt that all evidence points to Christianity, the Bible, etc. being true.)
So, If Christianity were true...
...one would either go to heaven when he dies, or he would spend forever suffering in hell. By answering no to my question, aren't you in a sense choosing eternal damnation over heaven?
Amused

Lowell, MA

#126 Aug 20, 2014
Patrick wrote:
In the real world ....
Pope Francis said on Monday...
In the real world, the opinions of invisible sky daddies, as channelled by old virgin men who wear dresses, don't count for much.
Patrick

United States

#127 Aug 20, 2014
Amused wrote:
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In the real world, the opinions of invisible sky daddies, as channelled by old virgin men who wear dresses, don't count for much.
Yes Dawkins has become FUN :-)

Late last month, two heavy hitters within organized atheism, activist Ophelia Benson and scientist Richard Dawkins, reached a détente of sorts about online debate and posted it on their separate websites.

"Disagreement is inevitable, but bullying and harassment are not," the statement reads. " If we want secularism and atheism to gain respect, we have to be able to disagree with each other without trying to destroy each other."

Before the virtual ink was dry, Dawkins had stepped in it again.

"Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse," Dawkins said on Twitter, where he has almost a million followers. "If you think that’s an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think." Another tweet applied the same logic to "mild date rape" and "violent date rape," and still another compared "mild pedophilia" and "violent pedophilia."

The reaction was swift and severe. Some defended Dawkins, saying he was merely engaging in a thought experiment, while others decried another eruption of what they see as chronic insensitivity, misogyny and flimsy "I’m sorry but …" apologies for repeat offenses.

Atheists say controversial things online every day. But Dawkins’ position as the godfather of the modern atheist movement has revived a question that’s been percolating for at least three years: Has the famous scientist become more of a liability than an asset for the movement he helped create?

"Regretfully, I think Richard Dawkins has become a liability," atheist activist and author Greta Christina wrote in an email. She has shared a podium with Dawkins at two high-profile atheist events, including 2012’s Reason Rally in Washington, D.C., which attracted tens of thousands of people.

Many credit Dawkins’ 2006 best-seller "The God Delusion" with swelling the ranks of atheism. His Richard Dawkins Foundation supports dozens of atheist organizations with its annual budget of $800,000.

"He is the reason I call myself an atheist, and he’s a big part of the reason I became an atheist activist," Christina said. "But the unfortunate reality is that newspapers and other big media outlets have been making him into the major face of organized atheism — and it’s creating an image of us that turns a lot of people off."

Disagreement is healthy for the Soul
henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#128 Aug 20, 2014
Amused wrote:
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In the real world, the opinions of invisible sky daddies, as channelled by old virgin men who wear dresses, don't count for much.
All religions are fakes or even crimes.
henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#129 Aug 20, 2014
Gillette wrote:
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Paul invented Christianity. And your own God invented Judaism.
Sure you w ant to stick with that "invention of Satan" stuff?:)
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This is total nonsense God hates religion? Jesus was a lifelong Temple-sacrificing, Torah-observant Jew.
Paul founded the Christian religion in the name and under the guidance (supposedly) of your very God.
And your God gave a detailed religious scripture, the Torah, to his people the Jews, so they could use ti in their religion to follow him and worship him.
And you claim "God hates religion"? Please.
Why should god "hate" Religion? No god ever existed, so why he should hate anyone at all?
Whatever religious People may say, it is erronous, because all religions are myths nothing else.
henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#130 Aug 20, 2014
Gillette wrote:
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Paul invented Christianity. And your own God invented Judaism.
Sure you w ant to stick with that "invention of Satan" stuff?:)
<quoted text>
This is total nonsense God hates religion? Jesus was a lifelong Temple-sacrificing, Torah-observant Jew.
Paul founded the Christian religion in the name and under the guidance (supposedly) of your very God.
And your God gave a detailed religious scripture, the Torah, to his people the Jews, so they could use ti in their religion to follow him and worship him.
And you claim "God hates religion"? Please.
There are billions of mostly uneducated People with religions and they are not Aware of any wrongness of the fakeness of their religions.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#131 Aug 20, 2014
Gillette wrote:
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Paul invented Christianity. And your own God invented Judaism.
Sure you w ant to stick with that "invention of Satan" stuff?:)
<quoted text>
This is total nonsense God hates religion? Jesus was a lifelong Temple-sacrificing, Torah-observant Jew.
Paul founded the Christian religion in the name and under the guidance (supposedly) of your very God.
And your God gave a detailed religious scripture, the Torah, to his people the Jews, so they could use ti in their religion to follow him and worship him.
And you claim "God hates religion"? Please.
God had not the faintest to do with anything of such a myth at all.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#132 Aug 20, 2014
Gillette wrote:
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Paul invented Christianity. And your own God invented Judaism.
Sure you w ant to stick with that "invention of Satan" stuff?:)
<quoted text>
This is total nonsense God hates religion? Jesus was a lifelong Temple-sacrificing, Torah-observant Jew.
Paul founded the Christian religion in the name and under the guidance (supposedly) of your very God.
And your God gave a detailed religious scripture, the Torah, to his people the Jews, so they could use ti in their religion to follow him and worship him.
And you claim "God hates religion"? Please.
God or any other myth has never existed. It is total nonsense that Religions are something else than phantoms. Billions of uneducated people are misused by any Religion.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#133 Aug 20, 2014
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul invented Christianity. And your own God invented Judaism.
Sure you w ant to stick with that "invention of Satan" stuff?:)
<quoted text>
This is total nonsense God hates religion? Jesus was a lifelong Temple-sacrificing, Torah-observant Jew.
Paul founded the Christian religion in the name and undessr the guidance (supposedly) of your very God.
And your God gave a detailed religious scripture, the Torah, to his people the Jews, so they could use ti in their religion to follow him and worship him.
And you claim "God hates religion"? Please.
Sorry, no god, no satan, no hell, no heaven, no angel, this is the biggest nonsense. The Stone Age is Long passed. Now the Atomic Age may be the end of humanity.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#134 Aug 20, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
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???
You are a special kind of ignorant aren't you? You don't even make a very good troll.
Childish, billions of uneducated ones are to pity for their being non knowable the reality of a science. Religions are fakes or even crimes.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#135 Aug 20, 2014
Thinking wrote:
It's "you're", religitard.
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Why should I proof to be an Atheist? It is enough to prove science. Any religions are just fakes or worse crimes.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#136 Aug 20, 2014
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul invented Christianity. And your own God invented Judaism.
Sure you w ant to stick with that "invention of Satan" stuff?:)
<quoted text>
This is total nonsense God hates religion? Jesus was a lifelong Temple-sacrificing, Torah-observant Jew.
Paul founded the Christian religion in the name and under the guidance (supposedly) of your very God.
And your God gave a detailed religious scripture, the Torah, to his people the Jews, so they could use ti in their religion to follow him and worship him.
And you claim "God hates religion"? Please.
I make it short: No god, no Satan, no hell, no heaven, no angel and so on.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#137 Aug 20, 2014
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul invented Christianity. And your own God invented Judaism.
Sure you w ant to stick with that "invention of Satan" stuff?:)
<quoted text>
This is total nonsense God hates religion? Jesus was a lifelong Temple-sacrificing, Torah-observant Jew.
Paul founded the Christian religion in the name and under the guidance (supposedly) of your very God.
And your God gave a detailed religious scripture, the Torah, to his people the Jews, so they could use ti in their religion to follow him and worship him.
And you claim "God hates religion"? Please.
Rubbish. Billions of uneducated People get faked by all religions. Atheism is reasonable, but it has not be proved. It is enough to be Born, to live and to die again. Science may lift for a Little while the secrets of life.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#138 Aug 20, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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I've been advocating a somewhat controversial idea about the burden of proof. I think it falls on anyone who wants to persuade others to change their minds about something. If I honestly wanted Fisher to become an atheist, I would have to present compelling reasons for him to do so. The same is true of him if he wants me to become a Christian. I don't actually care whether he agrees with me or not, though, and he seems to care very much whether atheists can be brought into his fold. That puts the burden of proof squarely on his shoulders.
I would be perfectly comfortable being the only atheistic skeptic on earth--I don't need affirmations from others to support my understanding of life, the universe, and everything. That said, it is gratifying to see belief in God continuing to decline as measured by the many polls that have been taken over the last half century. The most recent that I know of is last December's Harris poll that showed belief declining from 82% to 74% in a mere four years. That is one giant leap for skepticism.
Don`t Forget the Age of the Atom means presumably the end of mankind. Like it or not.
henry

Donndorf, Germany

#139 Aug 20, 2014
Amused wrote:
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"If Christianity were true..." Produce some proof raising that possibility above mere speculation, and then, and only then, is there a basis for a conversation. Until then,, your question makes no more sense than askin, "if leprechauns are real, would you choose to be Irish?" If there is no proof of your "if", there is no point to guessing about the "then".
Don`t Forget, any Religion is a fake or even a crime.
Charchar king

Brackenfell, South Africa

#140 Aug 20, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Whew!
The magnitude of you're ignorance is truly astounding.
What part of what Albert Einstein said did you fail to comprehend?
Do you think he went to church or believed in a superior being?
You are so engrossed in your silly mythology you've lost touch with reality.
I dismiss obtuse posters which I find to be remarkably ignorant of modern science; allergic to truth; and addicted to dogma.
In fact we are both atheists.
When you are finally able to understand why you dismiss the other possible gods... you will understand why we dismiss yours!
"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
~ Carl Sagan
Is your claim- prove it
If you pray for rain long enough, it eventually does fall. If you pray for floodwaters to abate, they eventually do. The same happens in the absence of prayers.
Now run along you've become extremely boring.
If his become extrememly boring, you would stop replying. Also, You need to provs your atheism just as much as youwant us to prove our religion. How did the Big Bang happen. Where's the proof for evolution. That is needed for you to prove.
Charchar king

Brackenfell, South Africa

#141 Aug 20, 2014
henry wrote:
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Don`t Forget, any Religion is a fake or even a crime.
One question. How did the universe come from nothing?

Btw, are you ten years old or something?
Thinking

UK

#142 Aug 21, 2014
There is a lot of peer reviewed evidence for Evolution, so that's the Theory to run with. The Theory of Evolution provides real life results that saves lives every day.

I don't know how this Universe got started, assuming that question even means anything.

I do know this: there is no all powerful compassionate god because we have evidence of avoidable suffering.
Charchar king wrote:
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If his become extrememly boring, you would stop replying. Also, You need to provs your atheism just as much as youwant us to prove our religion. How did the Big Bang happen. Where's the proof for evolution. That is needed for you to prove.
Patrick

United States

#143 Aug 21, 2014
Thinking wrote:
There is a lot of peer reviewed evidence for Evolution, so that's the Theory to run with. The Theory of Evolution provides real life results that saves lives every day.
I don't know how this Universe got started, assuming that question even means anything.
I do know this: there is no all powerful compassionate god because we have evidence of avoidable suffering.
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Evolution does NOT prove atheism
Religion can not be proved as based on faith
So a good cup of coffee and good friends and family may be all we have in this world.
coffee Poem
-
In the Coffee Cup

A morning looking in a coffee cup,
My soul is asking questions of the heart,
As destiny reveals itself in art,
Should inquiry find truth in crumpled dreams,
And bring the eye to look so gently up,
The heart must be ready to flow soul streams.
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#144 Aug 21, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Evolution does NOT prove atheism
Religion can not be proved as based on faith
So a good cup of coffee and good friends and family may be all we have in this world.
coffee Poem
-
In the Coffee Cup
A morning looking in a coffee cup,
My soul is asking questions of the heart,
As destiny reveals itself in art,
Should inquiry find truth in crumpled dreams,
And bring the eye to look so gently up,
The heart must be ready to flow soul streams.
I think that I shall never hear a story as lovely as beer
The brew the Joe's bar has on tap with a golden base and a snowy cap
The mellow stuff I drink all day until my memory melts away
Poems are written by fools I fear but only Heineken can make a beer

**

There once was a man from Nantucket
Who kept all of his cash in a bucket.
But his daughter, named Nan,
Ran away with a man
And as for the bucket, Nan took it.

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