Patrick

United States

#85 Aug 17, 2014
religionisillness wrote:
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Keep .......... Member.
he pope made several stops to greet children during a parade toward the altar for the Asian Youth Day closing mass on Sunday.
Thousands of people waved and cheered, despite the nasty weather, as the pope gave his blessings.
In the homily, he asked young Catholics to stay awake, saying that no one who sleeps can neither sing, dance nor rejoice.

"It's the duty to be vigilant, not to allow the pressures, the temptations and the sins of ourselves or others to dull our sensitivity to the beauty of holiness."

Around 45-thousand people, including 6-thousand young Catholics from 23 Asian countries. and Asian bishops, attended the mass at Haemi Fortress, where thousands of Korean Catholics were brutally executed in the 1800s.
The mass proceeded in many languages, including Indonesian, Japanese and Korean.
It was an unforgettable day for many of the participants.

"In between, there was one part where he said,'Do not be afraid, be brave,' and at the end he said,'Asian youth, wake up.' That really gives us a lot of energy."

"I feel blessed and honored of course to be part of this big event. It's a once-in-a-lifetime chance to meet the pope and other young people in Asia."

Asian Youth Day is a gathering of young Catholics, where they can explore and renew their faith.
The first one was held in Thailand in 1999.

"The Sixth Asian Youth Day that took place here in Korea was the first to be attended by the pope.
The seventh Asian Youth Day will take place in Indonesia in 2017.
Hwang Ji-hye, Arirang News, Seosan.
Thinking

Milton Abbas, UK

#86 Aug 18, 2014
It's "you're", religitard.
Fisher of Men wrote:
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Prove your an atheist. The burdens on you.
CunningLinguist

Orlando, FL

#87 Aug 18, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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he pope made several stops to greet children during a parade toward the altar for the Asian Youth Day closing mass on Sunday.
Thousands of people waved and cheered, despite the nasty weather, as the pope gave his blessings.
In the homily, he asked young Catholics to stay awake, saying that no one who sleeps can neither sing, dance nor rejoice.
"It's the duty to be vigilant, not to allow the pressures, the temptations and the sins of ourselves or others to dull our sensitivity to the beauty of holiness."
Asian Youth Day is a gathering of young Catholics, where they can explore and renew their faith.
The first one was held in Thailand in 1999.
"The Sixth Asian Youth Day that took place here in Korea was the first to be attended by the pope.
The seventh Asian Youth Day will take place in Indonesia in 2017.
Hwang Ji-hye, Arirang News, Seosan.
LONDON - Britain’s Prince George, who is celebrating his first birthday this week, is facing a rising chorus of criticism within the United Kingdom, with many calling the first year of his reign a major disappointment.

Alistair Strott, a journalist and one of George’s most outspoken critics, calls the Prince’s first year “long on hype and short on solid achievement.”
“Like a lot of us, I followed the royal birth last year with a great deal of excitement and anticipation,” says Strott.“But one year in, we all have to look at each other and say,‘That’s it?’”

While defenders of Prince George cite a packed schedule of events during his first year, Strott is unimpressed.“Yes, he’s been on TV and magazine covers,” he says.“So have the Kardashians.”

The journalist is not alone in criticizing Prince George, as a recent U.K. poll called his inaugural year the worst first year for a royal baby since the Second World War.

Strott acknowledged that George had spent much of his first year in office learning to walk, but added,“If he’s learned to talk, he certainly hasn’t said anything memorable.”

On most of the major issues facing Britain today, from unemployment to its relationship with the European Union,“George has been missing in action,” Strott says.
Buckingham Palace has already started the drumbeat of publicity for Prince George’s second year, but Strott remains skeptical.“People can call this child ‘royal’ if they like, but the word I’d choose is ‘overrated,’” he says.
Fisher of Men

Mansfield, OH

#88 Aug 18, 2014
If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?

Oh heck yea! A chance to live forever in heaven with family members who died and gone on before me and see friends again that may have died? Who wouldn’t want that? C’mon now, who in their right mind would choose to go to hell?

But believe it or not, I have had many atheists tell me through the years, they would prefer to go to hell if Christianity were true. Is that not the dumbest thing you have ever heard? Who in their right mind would choose death over life? Hell over heaven?

Ok all you atheist out there who have insanely stated you would prefer hell over heaven; this is for you!

Hell: a place of torment, fiery, a place of weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, outer darkness, place of Sorrows, place of everlasting destruction, where men are tormented with fire and brimstone, where fire is never quenched, bottomless pit, a place of no rest, a lake of fire, hopeless of unsatisfied desires, hopelessness and suffering, a place of memory

Heaven: "Then I saw a new heaven...

I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates...

The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone... jasper, sapphire, chalcedony, emerald, sardonyx, carnelian, chrysolite, beryl, topaz, chrysoprase, jacinth, amethyst. The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass...

Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Revelation 21)

The most important decision we make in this life is where we'll spend our eternal life. When we have made that choice, we're not only prepared to die... were finally prepared to live!
Thinking

Milton Abbas, UK

#89 Aug 18, 2014
Straw man.

christianity can't be true because we know there can't be an all powerful compassionate god because we have evidence of avoidable suffering.
Fisher of Men wrote:
If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
Oh heck yea! A chance to live forever in heaven with family members who died and gone on before me and see friends again that may have died? Who wouldn’t want that? C’mon now, who in their right mind would choose to go to hell?
But believe it or not, I have had many atheists tell me through the years, they would prefer to go to hell if Christianity were true. Is that not the dumbest thing you have ever heard? Who in their right mind would choose death over life? Hell over heaven?
Ok all you atheist out there who have insanely stated you would prefer hell over heaven; this is for you!
Hell: a place of torment, fiery, a place of weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, outer darkness, place of Sorrows, place of everlasting destruction, where men are tormented with fire and brimstone, where fire is never quenched, bottomless pit, a place of no rest, a lake of fire, hopeless of unsatisfied desires, hopelessness and suffering, a place of memory
Heaven: "Then I saw a new heaven...
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates...
The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone... jasper, sapphire, chalcedony, emerald, sardonyx, carnelian, chrysolite, beryl, topaz, chrysoprase, jacinth, amethyst. The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass...
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life." (Revelation 21)
The most important decision we make in this life is where we'll spend our eternal life. When we have made that choice, we're not only prepared to die... were finally prepared to live!
Fisher of Men

Mansfield, OH

#90 Aug 18, 2014
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ATHEISM!!!

The atheist's proof???

Ok, here's the atheist proof there is no God:

But first, the atheist will say, "The burden of proof is on Christians to prove there is a God." There it is! That's there "out" for offering no evidence to their foolish claims and avoiding a serious thought out open-minded discussion on the possibility God really does exist. So even when a Christian comes along with considerable detailed evidence, the atheist, with his closed mind will simply ignore it and all the other cheerleader atheist will pump out their chest and proclaim to be victors.

Ok, here's the atheist's evidence:

"In the beginning everything came from nothing!(((B_O_O_M))) There was a Big Bang! And here we all are. Need more proof?"
~Author unknown

Uh... yea! What caused the big bang and what preceded it?

(Uh...we don't really know what caused it. But proof is on the way. Someday. Or at least we hope proof is forthcoming. We have blind faith in our belief.)

The Truth:
Nothing + Nothing = Nothing
Nothing - Nothing = Nothing
Nothing x Nothing = Nothing
No matter how one mathematizes nothing, he will always end up with nothing.

Fact: You can't get something from nothing. Only something can produce something.

Something had to always exist. Something eternal.

2 choices:
1. Eternal God
2. Eternal Universe

Only an eternal God is logical. For if you answer eternal universe, you have to answer where it came from.

Gen. 1:1: "In the beginning God"

Here is A 30 Second Argument for God:
http://www.blogos.org/compellingtruth/argumen...
Thinking

Milton Abbas, UK

#91 Aug 18, 2014
There may be some form of god, but it hides in ever smaller gaps and leaves no evidence of its existence.

However, this no all powerful compassionate god because we have evidence of avoidable suffering.
Fisher of Men wrote:
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ATHEISM!!!
The atheist's proof???
Ok, here's the atheist proof there is no God:
But first, the atheist will say, "The burden of proof is on Christians to prove there is a God." There it is! That's there "out" for offering no evidence to their foolish claims and avoiding a serious thought out open-minded discussion on the possibility God really does exist. So even when a Christian comes along with considerable detailed evidence, the atheist, with his closed mind will simply ignore it and all the other cheerleader atheist will pump out their chest and proclaim to be victors.
Ok, here's the atheist's evidence:
"In the beginning everything came from nothing!(((B_O_O_M))) There was a Big Bang! And here we all are. Need more proof?"
~Author unknown
Uh... yea! What caused the big bang and what preceded it?
(Uh...we don't really know what caused it. But proof is on the way. Someday. Or at least we hope proof is forthcoming. We have blind faith in our belief.)
The Truth:
Nothing + Nothing = Nothing
Nothing - Nothing = Nothing
Nothing x Nothing = Nothing
No matter how one mathematizes nothing, he will always end up with nothing.
Fact: You can't get something from nothing. Only something can produce something.
Something had to always exist. Something eternal.
2 choices:
1. Eternal God
2. Eternal Universe
Only an eternal God is logical. For if you answer eternal universe, you have to answer where it came from.
Gen. 1:1: "In the beginning God"
Here is A 30 Second Argument for God:
http://www.blogos.org/compellingtruth/argumen...
Thinking

Milton Abbas, UK

#92 Aug 18, 2014
there is no ^
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#93 Aug 18, 2014
Fisher of Men wrote:
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Hell awaits. Enjoy.
PS: I don't know that word, "enternal". Can you define?
Prove it.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#94 Aug 18, 2014
Fisher of Men wrote:
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ATHEISM!!!
The atheist's proof???
Ok, here's the atheist proof there is no God:
But first, the atheist will say, "The burden of proof is on Christians to prove there is a God." There it is! That's there "out" for offering no evidence to their foolish claims and avoiding a serious thought out open-minded discussion on the possibility God really does exist. So even when a Christian comes along with considerable detailed evidence, the atheist, with his closed mind will simply ignore it and all the other cheerleader atheist will pump out their chest and proclaim to be victors.
Ok, here's the atheist's evidence:
"In the beginning everything came from nothing!(((B_O_O_M))) There was a Big Bang! And here we all are. Need more proof?"
~Author unknown
Uh... yea! What caused the big bang and what preceded it?
(Uh...we don't really know what caused it. But proof is on the way. Someday. Or at least we hope proof is forthcoming. We have blind faith in our belief.)
The Truth:
Nothing + Nothing = Nothing
Nothing - Nothing = Nothing
Nothing x Nothing = Nothing
No matter how one mathematizes nothing, he will always end up with nothing.
Fact: You can't get something from nothing. Only something can produce something.
Something had to always exist. Something eternal.
2 choices:
1. Eternal God
2. Eternal Universe
Only an eternal God is logical. For if you answer eternal universe, you have to answer where it came from.
Gen. 1:1: "In the beginning God"
Here is A 30 Second Argument for God:
http://www.blogos.org/compellingtruth/argumen...
Whether to seriously consider atheism is a personal choice, and the reasons to do so vary tremendously across the range of humans on this planet. When you write, "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ATHEISM!!!", you seem to say that your reasons not to do so are universal. They are not.

For this individual (i.e. me), your argument is backwards from the beginning. The reason that so many atheists place the burden of proof for God on His believers is that the lack of substantial evidence for his existence is reason enough to reject God as a hypothesis, at least provisionally. For many of us (me included), that lack of evidence has nothing to do with the Big Bang Theory or the Theory of Evolution. Those are side issues that frequently arise as secondary points of disagreement with believers. The main issue is whether any of the deities that humans have worshipped over the millennia hold up to skeptical analysis. So far, for me at least, none of them do.

If your creation myths make sense to you and is central to your belief, fine. But you can't force others to see it the same way with arguments that rely on rhetoric and flawed or incomplete logic. The truth is that there's no reason for skeptics to consider your arguments at all because there's nothing new in them. They've been presented by others in this forum--and refuted--many times and we owe you no explanation for our lack of belief,

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#95 Aug 18, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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Whether to seriously consider atheism is a personal choice, and the reasons to do so vary tremendously across the range of humans on this planet. When you write, "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ATHEISM!!!", you seem to say that your reasons not to do so are universal. They are not.
For this individual (i.e. me), your argument is backwards from the beginning. The reason that so many atheists place the burden of proof for God on His believers is that the lack of substantial evidence for his existence is reason enough to reject God as a hypothesis, at least provisionally. For many of us (me included), that lack of evidence has nothing to do with the Big Bang Theory or the Theory of Evolution. Those are side issues that frequently arise as secondary points of disagreement with believers. The main issue is whether any of the deities that humans have worshipped over the millennia hold up to skeptical analysis. So far, for me at least, none of them do.
If your creation myths make sense to you and is central to your belief, fine. But you can't force others to see it the same way with arguments that rely on rhetoric and flawed or incomplete logic. The truth is that there's no reason for skeptics to consider your arguments at all because there's nothing new in them. They've been presented by others in this forum--and refuted--many times and we owe you no explanation for our lack of belief,
Bravo!

Well said!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#96 Aug 18, 2014
Fisher of Men wrote:
If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
I've told you that IF, in fact, Christianity were true, I'd happily be a Christian.

Now what?

Isn't this where you take your next significant step and PROVE that it's true?
Fisher of Men wrote:
C’mon now, who in their right mind would choose to go to hell?
Nobody CHOOSES to go to hell. Your demented God apparently throws people into hell and tortures them forever, against their will (obviously).

Shouldn't you be asking yourself (and explaining to us) why your God behaves like this? In a manner that would get any human being locked away forever in a nuthouse?
Fisher of Men wrote:
But believe it or not, I have had many atheists tell me through the years, they would prefer to go to hell if Christianity were true. Is that not the dumbest thing you have ever heard?
No, it strikes me as both a smart and a really ETHICAL thing to do, to not want to have anything to do with an evil Torturer God.

Why would you worship a God who will torture you forever if you don't? Aside from fear, I guess....
Fisher of Men wrote:
Hell: a place of torment, fiery, a place of weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, outer darkness, place of Sorrows, place of everlasting destruction, where men are tormented with fire and brimstone, where fire is never quenched, bottomless pit, a place of no rest, a lake of fire, hopeless of unsatisfied desires, hopelessness and suffering, a place of memory
http://www.religioustolerance.org/heav_hel.ht...

Beliefs by Christian groups and religious skeptics about the afterlife:

Quote:

"What is our eventual condition after we die? Do we eventually land up in Heaven, Hell, Purgatory. Are we sent to one of these locations immediately? Do we simply disappear and cease to exist in any form? Do we just sleep for a long time after death before waking up for a final judgment? Are we reincarnated into new bodies -- either as animals or humans -- for another lifetime on Earth?

Within Judaism and Christianity, different traditions, faith groups. and writers over the past few thousand years have proposed a variety of scenarios, covering the above options and more! All have based their beliefs on their interpretations of the Bible.

Faced with such a diversity of beliefs about life after death -- even within Christianity -- some people conclude that no faith group really knows what happens when a person dies. But most Christians hold tenaciously to the beliefs taught by their own particular denomination. Most followers of other religions also follow the teachings of their faith tradition. This satisfies the main requirement that many people have of their religion: to give them a sense of security in the face of an uncertain and frightening world and the inevitability of their personal death.
Fisher of Men wrote:
Heaven: "Then I saw a new heaven...
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.etc. etc)
So how do you set about proving that these descriptions are literal, factual REALITY, and not wishful thinking or religious fantasies on the part of people a bit detached form everyday reality?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#97 Aug 18, 2014
Fisher of Men wrote:
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ATHEISM!!!
The atheist's proof???
Ok, here's the atheist proof there is no God:
Atheists have no proof there is no God.

They are asking you for POSITIVE PROOF that there IS A GOD.

Got any?
Fisher of Men wrote:
But first, the atheist will say, "The burden of proof is on Christians to prove there is a God." There it is! That's there "out" for offering no evidence to their foolish claims and avoiding a serious thought out open-minded discussion on the possibility God really does exist.
It's not an "out." It's basic LOGIC or Logic 101.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, in this case, "There is a God and it is the Protestant fundamentalist Christian God."

Good, then PROVE IT.
Fisher of Men wrote:
ISo even when a Christian comes along with considerable detailed evidence, the atheist, with his closed mind will simply ignore it and all the other cheerleader atheist will pump out their chest and proclaim to be victors.
Present such evidence.

I can pretty well promise it won't be ignored and will be refuted in detail.

[QUOTE who="Fisher of Men"
Ok, here's the atheist's evidence:
"In the beginning everything came from nothing!(((B_O_O_M))) There was a Big Bang! And here we all are. Need more proof?"
~Author unknown
[/QUOTE]

Yes, author unknown because no scientist says that.

Your cynical, clown-show distortion of what science actually says in the Big Bang theory and the various multiverse theories is duly noted.
Fisher of Men wrote:
Uh... yea! What caused the big bang and what preceded it?
(Uh...we don't really know what caused it. But proof is on the way. Someday. Or at least we hope proof is forthcoming. We have blind faith in our belief.)
No need for blind faith. That;s for you guys who have shut your minds down.

Science relies on the scientific method. We know much of what we NEED to learn about the BBm and have every reason to expect that that knowledge will come along in time, bit by bit.
Fisher of Men

Mansfield, OH

#98 Aug 18, 2014
USN Atheist wrote:
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Bravo!
Well said!
Here's one of them atheist cheerleaders I was talking about. Please allow me to quote you USN Atheist.

And I quote: "Bravo! Well said!"

Guess that makes atheists the victors. Time to pump out your chest. You have yet another cheerleader. The problem is, this is not a challenge you win and become the victor. This is a matter of life and death because if the God of the Bible exist, then you lose. You really lose big time. Eternity is an awful long time.

There are reasonable arguments for the existence of God for you to google, explore and consider. To stand your ground is just plain foolish. I read the whole Bible. It doesn't end well for you.

I challenge you to become a truth seeker. Your life depends upon it. Google these argument with a sincere and open-mind:

1. Ontological argument for the existence of God
2. Transcendental argument for the existence of God
3. Teleological argument for the existence of God
4. Moral argument for the existence of God
5. Cosmological argument for the existence of God

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#99 Aug 18, 2014
Pascal's wager... ho hum.
Patrick

United States

#100 Aug 18, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
Pascal's wager... ho hum.
and the Pope

Pope Francis on Monday condoned intervening in Iraq to stop Islamist militants from persecuting religious minority groups, but said that the strategy must be discussed by the international community and not decided by one country. "It is licit to stop the unjust aggressor. I underline the verb: stop. I do not say,'bomb, make war,'" Pope Francis said in comments to journalists while returning from a trip to South Korea. "One nation alone cannot judge how to stop an unjust aggressor," the pontiff said, warning that a lack of international discussion could lead to making "a true war of conquest."

The U.S. started launching airstrikes against the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham on Aug. 8 to hinder the militants from advancing on the Kurdish capital of Erbil, and help tens of thousands of minorities escape captivity. Francis clarified that not only Christians were being targeted by ISIS, but "martyrs" of various minority groups, who are "all equal equal before God." The pope said he was "ready" and "willing" to visit Iraq, but "at the moment it is not the best thing to do."
Fisher of Men

Mansfield, OH

#101 Aug 18, 2014
Gillette wrote:
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Atheists have no proof there is no God.
They are asking you for POSITIVE PROOF that there IS A GOD.
Got any?
<quoted text>
It's not an "out." It's basic LOGIC or Logic 101.
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, in this case, "There is a God and it is the Protestant fundamentalist Christian God."
Good, then PROVE IT.
<quoted text>
Present such evidence.
I can pretty well promise it won't be ignored and will be refuted in detail.
<quoted text>
Yes, author unknown because no scientist says that.
Your cynical, clown-show distortion of what science actually says in the Big Bang theory and the various multiverse theories is duly noted.
<quoted text>
No need for blind faith. That;s for you guys who have shut your minds down.
Science relies on the scientific method. We know much of what we NEED to learn about the BBm and have every reason to expect that that knowledge will come along in time, bit by bit.
I can appreciate all that you said Gill. But you gave so many answer, that I just don't have the time to answer them all. Thanks for putting in the time.

If I was trying to prove God, which I am not, I would begin with one of the following arguments. All of which, the honest truth seeker could investigate if he had any interest in knowing the truth.

1. Ontological argument for the existence of God
2. Transcendental argument for the existence of God
3. Teleological argument for the existence of God
4. Moral argument for the existence of God
5. Cosmological argument for the existence of God

There are thousands of Atheistic scientists in the world who would agree with your arguments and assumptions. Their livelihood depends upon it, besides the fact that their minds are closed. However, there are also thousands of evangelical Christian scientists who would disagree with yours and their assumptions.

Both scientist of similar intelligence and education, but both scientists coming up with different assumptions. How can 2 equal scientists look at the same exact evidence and draw 2 completely different conclusions: Yes! The evidence proves there is a God! or No! There is no evidence of the existence of God.

One is right. One is wrong. Both looking at identical evidence yet completely different conclusions.

One might argue the Christian is biased because he is a Christian. I would argue the atheist is biased because he is an atheist.

Here's what I know. Each one of us must examine the evidence and draw our own conclusions. If the possibility exist for you that God does exist, then you owe to yourself to investigate further.

One also has to consider arguments that are not scientific i.e. changed lives.

Check this link out if you have time. It’s 2 pages. http://www.blogos.org/compellingtruth/argumen...

One also has to consider arguments that are not scientific i.e. changed lives. There are many many answers for the questions you have asked about the Whys? Why hell? Why whatever. Just because Christians have not answered at all, or to your satisfaction does not mean good and understandable answers do not exist. They are there and there are many many places to find ALL the answers you need. I can give you a list of web sites if you are truly interested. But I assume just like most atheist, you don’t really care nor desire to find the truth.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#102 Aug 18, 2014
Fisher of Men wrote:
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The problem is, this is not a challenge you win and become the victor. This is a matter of life and death because if the God of the Bible exist, then you lose. You really lose big time.
And if the God of the Holy Qu'ran exist, then YOU lose BIG TIME, right Christian infidel?

Shouldn't you be converting to Islam, JUST IN CASE? Can you afford to gamble?:)
Fisher of Men wrote:
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Eternity is an awful long time.
At some point, I hope to see you honestly confront those questions about the value of eternal punishment, the ethics of torture in ANY case, not to mention never-ending torture, etc.
Fisher of Men wrote:
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I read the whole Bible. It doesn't end well for you.
There are a hundred different interpretations of "what the Bible says." In some of them, it doesn't end well for people like YOU. LOL
Fisher of Men wrote:
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I challenge you to become a truth seeker.
You don't seem like much of a truth-seeker yourself. Just regurgitating the narrow tenets of your religion, which you believe are true because, well, you been TOLD and TRAINED and PROGRAMMED to believe they are true.

A real truth-seeker, for example, would look carefully at the idea of a supposedly loving God setting up a brief human life as an all-or-nothing test with eternal reward and eternal torture as the only two outcomes.

That makes no sense on SO many levels of truth-seeking.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#103 Aug 18, 2014
Fisher of Men wrote:
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If I was trying to prove God, which I am not,
Wait, you asked me "If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?"

So your only real response to me=y admission that I WOULD become a CHristian is to trot out Pascal's Wager and tell me to Google a bunch of poorly thought out philosophical nonsense?

Gotta tell you, you are a real letdown as a proselytizer! LOL
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#104 Aug 18, 2014
Fisher of Men wrote:
Do you know what the following 20 notable people have in common?
Joy Davidman
Tamsin Greig
Nicky Gumbel
Peter Hitchens
C. E. M. Joad
C. S. Lewis
Alister McGrath
Enoch Powell
Michael Reiss
Dame Cicely Saunders
Fay Weldon
Mortimer J. Adler
G. E. M. Anscombe
Maurice_Baring
Léon Bloy
Paul Bourget
Avery Dulles
Dawn Eden
Edward Feser
André Frossard
Maggie Gallagher
Meet former CHristian Pastor Dan Barker:

Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist

http://www.amazon.com/Losing-Faith-Preacher-A...

Losing Faith in Faith was helpful to me in my own break from the manacles of religious tyranny. Dan's book makes for both good sense and good humor.--Steve Benson, editorial cartoonist, Arizona Republic

Barker is compelling, humourous, and rational. His arguments are clear and thought-provoking.--Andrew Fandre, Huntsville Times

This book profoundly affected me. It's funny, and poignant, and most importantly, true! You must read this book.--Julia Sweeney, comedian, actress, "Saturday Night Live" alumna

Barker is compelling, humourous, and rational. His arguments are clear and thought-provoking.--Andrew Fandre, Huntsville Times

This book profoundly affected me. It's funny, and poignant, and most importantly, true! You must read this book.--Julia Sweeney, comedian, actress, "Saturday Night Live" alumna

From the Publisher
A challenge to believers; an arsenal for skeptics.-

Review excerpt:

Dan Barker was an evangelical minister and missionary who did everything from writing songs and skits for children to working with youth groups to preaching street sermons to adults. However, somewhere in the course of this career he began to be aware of the fact that his religious beliefs were in serious conflict from his intellectual knowledge about our scientific world.

This book brought many negative aspects of Christianity to light that had been completely ignored, conveinently explained away, or totally unknown to me in my super-religious past. I never realized the Bible was so anti-family and that the various qualities we attribute to God are so self-contradicting. It also further examined some parts of the Bible I had already wondered about, such as its blatant sexism and racism, and its inaccuracy in accordance to history, although I had been told by every preacher out there that it was correct.

If you are from a Christian religious background I can only imagine the response my little book review is illiciting, and I totally expect to receive self-righteous hate mail under the guise of loving Christianity. However, I completely understand, for if I had read a book review like this during my very devoutly religious stage, I would have felt the same way. All I can ask you to do is read the book for yourself. If you read it and disagree with my conclusions, that's great and there is no harm done.

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