Your Turn: Atheism not gloom and doom

Your Turn: Atheism not gloom and doom

There are 20 comments on the St. Cloud Times story from Aug 4, 2013, titled Your Turn: Atheism not gloom and doom. In it, St. Cloud Times reports that:

"With atheism there is no hope, only despair." At least that's what a billboard tells us on Stearns County Road 75 near Interstate Highway 94 in St. Joseph.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#1 Aug 4, 2013
My experience of fellow non-believers is the precise opposite of the billboard. All non-believers (e.g. sceptics, freethinkers, rationalists, humanists) I know are happy, wholesome people.

Non-believers tend to be positive and forward-looking, without any presumption of armeggedon..


John Lennon

http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
Jonny Eve

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Monty Python

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Dave Allen, "[I'm] what you might call a practising atheist"
LCN Llin

United States

#2 Aug 4, 2013
Watched the BBC news as Pakistani children made mud bricks, never been to school and never will result of grinding poverty.

Gloom and Doom of western consumer culture with 25% using Antidepressant Drugs. Owning more stuff may not be the answer?
LCN Llin

United States

#5 Aug 4, 2013
watched one program
don't overreact.:-)

25% from Consumer Reports estimate in United States.

*England* has Anglican Bishops in the House of Lords so may result in different figures?
Thinking

Royston, UK

#6 Aug 4, 2013
Did you see the BBC report on that pakistani TV show where they were offering orphans as game show prizes?

Classy(!)
EdSed wrote:
My experience of fellow non-believers is the precise opposite of the billboard. All non-believers (e.g. sceptics, freethinkers, rationalists, humanists) I know are happy, wholesome people.
Non-believers tend to be positive and forward-looking, without any presumption of armeggedon..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yRhq-yO1KN8XX
John Lennon
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
Jonny Eve
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Monty Python
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Dave Allen, "[I'm] what you might call a practising atheist"
LCN Llin

United States

#7 Aug 5, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Did you see the BBC report on that pakistani TV show where they were offering orphans as game show prizes?
Classy(!)
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins on Dr. Who.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#8 Aug 5, 2013
1. The new Doctor's mantra:



2. Beware the pakistani Daleks

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
LCN Llin wrote:
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins on Dr. Who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#9 Aug 6, 2013
I feel better now that I am an atheist.
I no longer feel as if I am going to burn for my orientation.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#10 Aug 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Did you see the BBC report on that pakistani TV show where they were offering orphans as game show prizes?
Classy(!)
<quoted text>
?
http://www.thejournal.ie/preacher-defends-giv...
LCN Llin

United States

#11 Aug 6, 2013
Thinking

Royston, UK

#12 Aug 6, 2013
I'm not defending our Saturday night TV but they couldn't show "Take Me Out" in Pakistan without causing a suicide bombing.
EdSed wrote:
LCN Llin

United States

#13 Aug 11, 2013
More Holidays as Pubs turned into Churches

Russian Orthodox Church Synod proposes to mark Rus Christianization anniversaries as state holiday

Kiev, July 27, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church Synod has called on the authorities of Kievan Rus countries to mark anniversaries of Kievan Rus' Christianization as state holidays or even make them days off.

"Bearing in mind the exclusive importance of Kievan Rus' Christianization for the history of countries within the area of canonical responsibility of the Russian Orthodox Church, to appeal to the administrations of the countries, which have not made this decision, for making anniversaries of Kievan Rus' Christianization state holidays and, wherever that is possible, days off," says a resolution of the Synod, which convened in Kiev on Saturday.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#14 Aug 11, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins on Dr. Who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0AuA03cu6QkXX
idiot creationist attacks dawkins because he knows he cannot attack atheism.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#15 Aug 11, 2013
It's much better when church buildings are turned into pubs. This was one of my first drinking holes. Pubs do well in the UK on our Good Friday and Easter Monday holidays.

http://www.churchhousebanbury.co.uk/
LCN Llin wrote:
More Holidays as Pubs turned into Churches
Russian Orthodox Church Synod proposes to mark Rus Christianization anniversaries as state holiday
Kiev, July 27, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church Synod has called on the authorities of Kievan Rus countries to mark anniversaries of Kievan Rus' Christianization as state holidays or even make them days off.
"Bearing in mind the exclusive importance of Kievan Rus' Christianization for the history of countries within the area of canonical responsibility of the Russian Orthodox Church, to appeal to the administrations of the countries, which have not made this decision, for making anniversaries of Kievan Rus' Christianization state holidays and, wherever that is possible, days off," says a resolution of the Synod, which convened in Kiev on Saturday.
LCNlin

United States

#16 Aug 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
It's much better when church buildings are turned into pubs. This was one of my first drinking holes. Pubs do well in the UK on our Good Friday and Easter Monday holidays.
http://www.churchhousebanbury.co.uk/
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Great enjoy a pint when in Great Britain.
The Charles Dickens a fav.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#17 Aug 13, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
Watched the BBC news as Pakistani children made mud bricks, never been to school and never will result of grinding poverty.
Gloom and Doom of western consumer culture with 25% using Antidepressant Drugs. Owning more stuff may not be the answer?
Stupid creationist idiot fishing for a conversation when he has no proof of god?
LCNlin

United States

#18 Aug 16, 2013
United Kingdom in the News.
Royalty Church of England Established

Richard III: King's reburial row goes to judicial review
Richard III The king's remains were found in a car park near Leicester Cathedral

Distant relatives of Richard III have been granted permission for a judicial review of the decision to rebury the king's remains in Leicester.

The Plantagenet Alliance launched a legal challenge to the decision made by the Ministry of Justice in May.

The group, which includes 15 of Richard III's relatives, wants his body to be buried in York, claiming it was King Richard's wish.

A date for the review, expected to take one day, has not been set.

Skeletal remains found beneath a car park in Leicester last year, were confirmed as the king's by a team at the University of Leicester in February.

The licence to carry out the dig, issued by the Ministry of Justice, gave the university the authority to decide where to rebury the king.
'Unseemly' tussle

Leicester Cathedral has begun a £1m rebuilding project to accommodate the king's tomb while the city council plans to build a £4m visitor centre commemorating his life.

However, the Plantagenet Alliance want the king to be laid to rest in York Minster.
Mr Justice Haddon-Cave said he would grant the review "on all grounds" but warned the parties against beginning an "unseemly, undignified and unedifying" legal tussle.

He urged the parties to "avoid embarking on the legal Wars of the Roses part 2".

Giving his reasons for granting the review, he said:: "The archaeological discovery of the mortal remains of a former King of England after 500 years is without precedent.

"In my judgment, it is plainly arguable that there was a duty at common law to consult widely as to how and where Richard III's remains should appropriately be reinterred.

"I grant permission to the claimant to bring Judicial Review proceedings against the Secretary of State for Justice and the University of Leicester on all grounds."

Richard, the last monarch of the House of York, grew up at Middleham Castle in the Yorkshire Dales and visited York several times during his 26-month-long reign.
York Minster The Plantagenet Alliance want the remains to be reburied at York Minster

Launching the bid for a judicial review in May, Vanessa Roe, from the Plantagenet Alliance, said: "It is well documented throughout the centuries that he wanted his remains to be buried in York, amongst his family."

Leicester City Mayor Peter Soulsby said he was "absolutely convinced that the Plantagenet Alliance has no case whatsoever", adding he hoped the review would bring "a speedy resolution" to the dispute.

He said: "It is not surprising the courts want to rule on this as its not every day a king is found tucked away in a car park.

"I think Leicester's case is overwhelming. He died near Leicester, he was buried in Leicester, he laid in the shadow of the cathedral for 500 years and the licence granted during the excavation stated he should be reinterred in Leicester Cathedral.

"There are at least a dozen places which had strong connections with Richard during his lifetime but none has a serious challenge to Leicester."
LCNlin

United States

#19 Aug 16, 2013
Richart III in the news

The case for York over Leicester

* Born in 1452, Richard was the fourth son of Richard, Duke of York
* Though born at Fotheringhay Castle in Northamptonshire, he spent much of his youth at Middleham Castle, in Yorkshire
* He visited York several times during his reign and funded the fourth floor of Monk Bar, the city's 14th Century gateway
* Richard is said to have planned to build a chapel at York Minister for him to be buried in
* He was buried in Leicester in a "hastily dug, untidy grave" following his death at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485
* Reinterment on the nearest consecrated ground at St Martin's Cathedral, in Leicester, would be in keeping with archaeological practice
Thinking

Royston, UK

#20 Aug 16, 2013
Lincock confuses "anything that has ever happened in the past ever" with "news".
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Stupid creationist idiot fishing for a conversation when he has no proof of god?
LCNlin

United States

#21 Aug 16, 2013
VATICAN CITY )— Mary, the mother of Jesus and mother of the church, already is in glory in heaven, but she is always with the church and helps it face the trials of the devil, Pope Francis said.

While the church is blessed and holy, on earth it continues to live through “the trials and challenges which the conflict between God and the evil one, the perennial enemy, brings,” the pope said in his homily Aug. 15 at a Mass for the feast of the Assumption of Mary.

The pope celebrated the Mass in the main square of Castel Gandolfo, a small town in the hills about 13 miles south of Rome where previous popes have spent the summer months. An estimated 12,000 were gathered in the square and down the main street for the Mass.

Commenting on the Mass readings, Pope Francis said the passage from the 11th chapter of the Book of Revelation — describing a woman in labor and a dragon waiting to devour the newborn child — represents the church “glorious and triumphant and yet, on the other hand, still in travail.”

But as the followers of Jesus continue to face temptation and problems, Mary remains at their side, just as she remained with the apostles during her earthly life.

“She has, of course, already entered, once and for all, into heavenly glory,” the pope said.“But this does not mean that she is distant or detached from us; rather Mary accompanies us, struggles with us, sustains Christians in their fight against the forces of evil.”

Pope Francis told the crowd that praying the rosary and meditating on the events of suffering and joy in the life of Mary and Jesus can give them the strength they need to continue “the battle against the evil one and his accomplices.”

“Do you pray the rosary every day?” he asked. The crowd shouted,“Yes,” and he said,“Really?”

The pope encouraged people to pray with Mary and to trust her as “our mother, our representative, our sister, the first believer to arrive in heaven.”

He said the Magnificat — Mary’s response to the Angel Gabriel:“My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord …” from Luke 1:46-55 — is a song of hope, a song sung by “many saints,” including “moms, dads, grandmothers and grandfathers, missionaries, priests, sisters, young people, even children, who have faced the struggle of life” with the firm hope of the victory of the resurrection,“the victory of love.”

“Where there is the cross, there is hope,” he said.

Reciting the Angelus after Mass, Pope Francis said Mary’s glory began with her saying “yes” to God’s plan.

“Every ‘yes’ to God is a step toward heaven, toward eternal life,” he said.“This is what the Lord wants: that all his children have life in abundance. God wants us all with him, in his house.”

Pope Francis also reminded people that Aug. 15 was the 25th anniversary of the day Blessed John Paul II signed his apostolic letter on women in the church and society,“Mulieris Dignitatem.”

As he had told reporters July 28 on the flight back to Rome from Brazil, Pope Francis said Blessed John Paul’s teaching “deserves to be taken up again and developed further.”

By meditating on the women in the Bible,“condensed in Mary,” he prayed,“may all women find themselves and the fullness of their vocations.”

And, he added, may all in the church recognize the “great, important role of women.”

The pope began his daylong visit to Castel Gandolfo by stopping to spend time with a group of cloistered Poor Clare nuns, whom he had visited July 14, the last time he spent a day at the papal villa.

After reciting the Angelus, he went to the Barberini Palace in the garden of the papal villas. The palace is the summer residence of the Vatican secretary of state and Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the current secretary, hosted a luncheon for Pope Francis. The lunch marked both the feast of the Assumption and the feast of St. Tarcisius, the cardinal’s name day.

Posted on August 16, 2013, to:
LCNlin

United States

#22 Aug 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Lincock confuses "anything that has ever happened in the past ever" with "news".
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