Your Turn: Atheism not gloom and doom

Your Turn: Atheism not gloom and doom

There are 22 comments on the St. Cloud Times story from Aug 4, 2013, titled Your Turn: Atheism not gloom and doom. In it, St. Cloud Times reports that:

"With atheism there is no hope, only despair." At least that's what a billboard tells us on Stearns County Road 75 near Interstate Highway 94 in St. Joseph.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#1 Aug 4, 2013
My experience of fellow non-believers is the precise opposite of the billboard. All non-believers (e.g. sceptics, freethinkers, rationalists, humanists) I know are happy, wholesome people.

Non-believers tend to be positive and forward-looking, without any presumption of armeggedon..


John Lennon

http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
Jonny Eve

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Monty Python

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Dave Allen, "[I'm] what you might call a practising atheist"
LCN Llin

United States

#2 Aug 4, 2013
Watched the BBC news as Pakistani children made mud bricks, never been to school and never will result of grinding poverty.

Gloom and Doom of western consumer culture with 25% using Antidepressant Drugs. Owning more stuff may not be the answer?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#3 Aug 4, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
Watched the BBC news as Pakistani children made mud bricks, never been to school and never will result of grinding poverty.
Gloom and Doom of western consumer culture with 25% using Antidepressant Drugs. Owning more stuff may not be the answer?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/ politics/political-news/educat ion-is-key-as-former-mp-takes- on-pakistan-role.21747988

I doubt that 25% of the people I know use anti-depressants. As usual you quote no source. You're poorly expressed post might suggest you think many Pakistani children will "never" go to school? That too seems unduly negative. And few would argue that 'owning more stuff is the answer'.

The good news is the evidence that the world is more prosperous than it has been historically..
http://www.economist.com/node/21548963
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-releas...
I think it is more peaceful too, although it might not seem that way in an age of 24/7 news. World peace may not be as far away or unobtainable as many think.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23425216
LCN Llin

United States

#4 Aug 4, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/politi...
I doubt that 25% of the people I know use anti-depressants. As usual you quote no source. You're poorly expressed post might suggest you think many Pakistani children will "never" go to school? That too seems unduly negative. And few would argue that 'owning more stuff is the answer'.
The good news is the evidence that the world is more prosperous than it has been historically..
http://www.economist.com/node/21548963
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-releas...
I think it is more peaceful too, although it might not seem that way in an age of 24/7 news. World peace may not be as far away or unobtainable as many think.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23425216
watched one program
don't overreact.:-)

25% from Consumer Reports estimate in United States.

English has Anglican Bishops in the House of Lords so may result in different figures?
LCN Llin

United States

#5 Aug 4, 2013
watched one program
don't overreact.:-)

25% from Consumer Reports estimate in United States.

*England* has Anglican Bishops in the House of Lords so may result in different figures?
Thinking

UK

#6 Aug 4, 2013
Did you see the BBC report on that pakistani TV show where they were offering orphans as game show prizes?

Classy(!)
EdSed wrote:
My experience of fellow non-believers is the precise opposite of the billboard. All non-believers (e.g. sceptics, freethinkers, rationalists, humanists) I know are happy, wholesome people.
Non-believers tend to be positive and forward-looking, without any presumption of armeggedon..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yRhq-yO1KN8XX
John Lennon
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
Jonny Eve
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Monty Python
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Dave Allen, "[I'm] what you might call a practising atheist"
LCN Llin

United States

#7 Aug 5, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Did you see the BBC report on that pakistani TV show where they were offering orphans as game show prizes?
Classy(!)
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins on Dr. Who.
Thinking

UK

#8 Aug 5, 2013
1. The new Doctor's mantra:



2. Beware the pakistani Daleks

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
LCN Llin wrote:
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins on Dr. Who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“I'm out hunting”

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#9 Aug 6, 2013
I feel better now that I am an atheist.
I no longer feel as if I am going to burn for my orientation.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#10 Aug 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Did you see the BBC report on that pakistani TV show where they were offering orphans as game show prizes?
Classy(!)
<quoted text>
?
http://www.thejournal.ie/preacher-defends-giv...
LCN Llin

United States

#11 Aug 6, 2013
Thinking

UK

#12 Aug 6, 2013
I'm not defending our Saturday night TV but they couldn't show "Take Me Out" in Pakistan without causing a suicide bombing.
EdSed wrote:
LCN Llin

United States

#13 Aug 11, 2013
More Holidays as Pubs turned into Churches

Russian Orthodox Church Synod proposes to mark Rus Christianization anniversaries as state holiday

Kiev, July 27, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church Synod has called on the authorities of Kievan Rus countries to mark anniversaries of Kievan Rus' Christianization as state holidays or even make them days off.

"Bearing in mind the exclusive importance of Kievan Rus' Christianization for the history of countries within the area of canonical responsibility of the Russian Orthodox Church, to appeal to the administrations of the countries, which have not made this decision, for making anniversaries of Kievan Rus' Christianization state holidays and, wherever that is possible, days off," says a resolution of the Synod, which convened in Kiev on Saturday.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#14 Aug 11, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins on Dr. Who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0AuA03cu6QkXX
idiot creationist attacks dawkins because he knows he cannot attack atheism.
Thinking

UK

#15 Aug 11, 2013
It's much better when church buildings are turned into pubs. This was one of my first drinking holes. Pubs do well in the UK on our Good Friday and Easter Monday holidays.

http://www.churchhousebanbury.co.uk/
LCN Llin wrote:
More Holidays as Pubs turned into Churches
Russian Orthodox Church Synod proposes to mark Rus Christianization anniversaries as state holiday
Kiev, July 27, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church Synod has called on the authorities of Kievan Rus countries to mark anniversaries of Kievan Rus' Christianization as state holidays or even make them days off.
"Bearing in mind the exclusive importance of Kievan Rus' Christianization for the history of countries within the area of canonical responsibility of the Russian Orthodox Church, to appeal to the administrations of the countries, which have not made this decision, for making anniversaries of Kievan Rus' Christianization state holidays and, wherever that is possible, days off," says a resolution of the Synod, which convened in Kiev on Saturday.
LCNlin

United States

#16 Aug 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
It's much better when church buildings are turned into pubs. This was one of my first drinking holes. Pubs do well in the UK on our Good Friday and Easter Monday holidays.
http://www.churchhousebanbury.co.uk/
<quoted text>
Great enjoy a pint when in Great Britain.
The Charles Dickens a fav.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#17 Aug 13, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
Watched the BBC news as Pakistani children made mud bricks, never been to school and never will result of grinding poverty.
Gloom and Doom of western consumer culture with 25% using Antidepressant Drugs. Owning more stuff may not be the answer?
Stupid creationist idiot fishing for a conversation when he has no proof of god?
LCNlin

United States

#18 Aug 16, 2013
United Kingdom in the News.
Royalty Church of England Established

Richard III: King's reburial row goes to judicial review
Richard III The king's remains were found in a car park near Leicester Cathedral

Distant relatives of Richard III have been granted permission for a judicial review of the decision to rebury the king's remains in Leicester.

The Plantagenet Alliance launched a legal challenge to the decision made by the Ministry of Justice in May.

The group, which includes 15 of Richard III's relatives, wants his body to be buried in York, claiming it was King Richard's wish.

A date for the review, expected to take one day, has not been set.

Skeletal remains found beneath a car park in Leicester last year, were confirmed as the king's by a team at the University of Leicester in February.

The licence to carry out the dig, issued by the Ministry of Justice, gave the university the authority to decide where to rebury the king.
'Unseemly' tussle

Leicester Cathedral has begun a £1m rebuilding project to accommodate the king's tomb while the city council plans to build a £4m visitor centre commemorating his life.

However, the Plantagenet Alliance want the king to be laid to rest in York Minster.
Mr Justice Haddon-Cave said he would grant the review "on all grounds" but warned the parties against beginning an "unseemly, undignified and unedifying" legal tussle.

He urged the parties to "avoid embarking on the legal Wars of the Roses part 2".

Giving his reasons for granting the review, he said:: "The archaeological discovery of the mortal remains of a former King of England after 500 years is without precedent.

"In my judgment, it is plainly arguable that there was a duty at common law to consult widely as to how and where Richard III's remains should appropriately be reinterred.

"I grant permission to the claimant to bring Judicial Review proceedings against the Secretary of State for Justice and the University of Leicester on all grounds."

Richard, the last monarch of the House of York, grew up at Middleham Castle in the Yorkshire Dales and visited York several times during his 26-month-long reign.
York Minster The Plantagenet Alliance want the remains to be reburied at York Minster

Launching the bid for a judicial review in May, Vanessa Roe, from the Plantagenet Alliance, said: "It is well documented throughout the centuries that he wanted his remains to be buried in York, amongst his family."

Leicester City Mayor Peter Soulsby said he was "absolutely convinced that the Plantagenet Alliance has no case whatsoever", adding he hoped the review would bring "a speedy resolution" to the dispute.

He said: "It is not surprising the courts want to rule on this as its not every day a king is found tucked away in a car park.

"I think Leicester's case is overwhelming. He died near Leicester, he was buried in Leicester, he laid in the shadow of the cathedral for 500 years and the licence granted during the excavation stated he should be reinterred in Leicester Cathedral.

"There are at least a dozen places which had strong connections with Richard during his lifetime but none has a serious challenge to Leicester."
LCNlin

United States

#19 Aug 16, 2013
Richart III in the news

The case for York over Leicester

* Born in 1452, Richard was the fourth son of Richard, Duke of York
* Though born at Fotheringhay Castle in Northamptonshire, he spent much of his youth at Middleham Castle, in Yorkshire
* He visited York several times during his reign and funded the fourth floor of Monk Bar, the city's 14th Century gateway
* Richard is said to have planned to build a chapel at York Minister for him to be buried in
* He was buried in Leicester in a "hastily dug, untidy grave" following his death at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485
* Reinterment on the nearest consecrated ground at St Martin's Cathedral, in Leicester, would be in keeping with archaeological practice
Thinking

UK

#20 Aug 16, 2013
Lincock confuses "anything that has ever happened in the past ever" with "news".
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Stupid creationist idiot fishing for a conversation when he has no proof of god?

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