Where is the Evidence for Atheism?

Where is the Evidence for Atheism?

There are 305 comments on the News24 story from Feb 25, 2013, titled Where is the Evidence for Atheism?. In it, News24 reports that:

Christians hear it all the time in one form or another from atheists and sceptics.

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Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164 Mar 5, 2013
Provide the observable evidence for this god actual observable data not just your imagination and science will eagerly work to prove he exists. Asking science to disprove something shows you don't understand science.

Science would examine data and go where the facts lead them. Your data for god? You have a gut feeling that makes you feel food after your childhood indoctrination. An ancient holy book with thousands of errors and contradictions that has been rewritten hundreds of times. And last but not least, because you stamped your foot and said so.

Hmmmmm looks like a childish dead end if nothing.

That being established we will properly keep a wall of separation between church and state and govern society in a way of fairness, equality and justice for all.
01Justsayin wrote:
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Then, by all means, use the scientific method to disprove the existence of God. Minds far more brilliant than yours (which I have the utmost respect for) have failed to do so throughout history. All you can do is offer your opinion on the matter.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#165 Mar 5, 2013
Your imagination does not count as proof. It is funny to watch how your lot fights so hard against providing observable proof for a god.
His-truth wrote:
"burden of proof out there" would be a valid point if Christians were DEMANDING atheists believe in God .. but we're not .. and their "Burden of proof" point is invalid ... lol !!

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#166 Mar 5, 2013
......... yawn

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#167 Mar 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Then how did the ancient people who first spoke of and were about god discover him? Looks like they must have made it up unless you are claiming they had better observation techniques than modern science?
Lol I never claimed to be able to prove the existence of God using the scientific method. My point is you can't disprove him using the scientific method either. I don't require proof. I don't feel the need for it.

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#168 Mar 5, 2013
It's not that we can't provide evidence .. It's that you ladder is parked against the wrong wall . . . you see .. there are those who have eyes to see and ears to hear . . . and then there are those who don't . . . . sorry

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#169 Mar 5, 2013
Again explain how the ancient people came up with the concept of god? You are running and cowering from my question and you know it.
01Justsayin wrote:
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Lol I never claimed to be able to prove the existence of God using the scientific method. My point is you can't disprove him using the scientific method either. I don't require proof. I don't feel the need for it.

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#170 Mar 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Provide the observable evidence for this god actual observable data not just your imagination and science will eagerly work to prove he exists. Asking science to disprove something shows you don't understand science.

Science would examine data and go where the facts lead them. Your data for god? You have a gut feeling that makes you feel food after your childhood indoctrination. An ancient holy book with thousands of errors and contradictions that has been rewritten hundreds of times. And last but not least, because you stamped your foot and said so.

Hmmmmm looks like a childish dead end if nothing.

That being established we will properly keep a wall of separation between church and state and govern society in a way of fairness, equality and justice for all.
Use the scientific method to disprove the existence of God. Who's being childish now? Since you brought up the laws by which we govern society, let's not leave out the freedom of religion. It is in direct relation with liberty and justice for all. You don't get to pick and prod at the U.S. Constitution. Either accept it as a whole or not at all.

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#172 Mar 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
explain how the ancient people came up with the concept of god? You are running and cowering from my question and you know it
I like Hebrews 1 ......

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways .. BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son .. whom he appointed heir of all things .. and through whom he made the universe ... The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS BEING .. sustaining all things by his powerful word .. After he had provided purification for sins .. he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#173 Mar 5, 2013
His-truth wrote:
I think atheists should go start their own country .. although Russia was a good start (this one is ours) Anno Domini 1620 ... if atheists want their religion to be the state religion ... they'll have to fight for it
Flexing your stupid?? The Mayflower Compact is not the document this country was founded upon. The fact that you claiming it is only shows how far back you need to go to justify your argument. Also, claiming atheism is a religion shows just how desperate you are to drag everything sown to a level you're comfortable with.

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#174 Mar 5, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
Our belief is not a belief .. Our principles are not a faith
oh yes they are ... until you provide proof

MUCH MORE belief .. and MUCH MORE faith .. lol !!

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#175 Mar 5, 2013
"The Mayflower Compact is not the document this country was founded upon"

no .. it is A founding document .. all other documents are built ON this foundational document .. show me YOUR document dating back that far

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#176 Mar 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Again explain how the ancient people came up with the concept of god? You are running and cowering from my question and you know it.
I'm not cowering. I don't have a thing to hide. More like intentionally avoiding because I don't see the point in arguing over stupid things. You and I both know our opinions on the concept of God to ancient people are polar opposites. I could supply you all day long with written accounts of ancient people's experience with God. We both know that. Yet your argument will always be that you can't scientifically prove their accuracy. I really don't wanna go down that rabbit hole with you when it's not going to change the truth. Which is that science can neither prove or disprove the existence of God. Therefore all we would, in actuality, be discussing is our own opinions. Which is okay. So long as you realize you lack any and all authority to condemn said opinions. I'm certainly not condemning yours. Only the misrepresentation of "opinion" as "fact" since we both know the scientific method can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God.
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#177 Mar 5, 2013
His-truth wrote:
It's not that we can't provide evidence .. It's that you ladder is parked against the wrong wall ... you see .. there are those who have eyes to see and ears to hear ... and then there are those who don't .... sorry
I believe that your ladder has many broken steps.

I shall assume sufficient education and intelligence are present to accept the fact that… Neither Egyptian nor Roman history records any persons known as Moses or Jesus. These individuals exist only in holy books, which themselves are copied from previous legends and myths.

See Mithras

http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristiani...

In fact, the quest for Biblical accounts of ancient Egypt at least into the 19th Dynasty of Egypt's New Kingdom, take on an interesting approach by most investigators. Essentially, since there is no evidence to clearly support the existence of Joseph, or Moses, or the Israeli Exodus, most of the investigation examines what was possible, what cannot be ruled out, or what fits into and Egyptian context.

In other words, is it possible that such events or people could have existed from what we know of ancient Egypt. Some specifics are very possible, such as Joseph's rise to importance in the Egyptian court. Other events, such as the Exodus, as specifically told in the Bible, are much more difficult.

Though the Egyptians may not have liked to record defeats, it would seem very probable that, were the disasters inflicted upon them as detailed in the Bible, there would have survived some textual evidence.

For example, the Egyptians certainly recorded events such as eclipses of the sun and the levels of the Nile Flood. Were the Nile to have turned to blood and every firstborn child suddenly have died, not to mention all of the other plagues mentioned in Exodus, there would have doubtless been some record left, particularly during the New Kingdom. Tomb records frequently provide us with the most meager of details, and we have, from that period, many thousands of documents recording civil actions and even commercial contracts.

"Despite the mass of contemporary records that have been unearthed in Egypt, not one historical reference to the presence of the Israelites has yet been found there. Not a single mention of Joseph, the Pharaoh's 'Grand Vizier'. Not a word about Moses, or the spectacular flight from Egypt and the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army."
Magnus Magnusson (The Archaeology of the Bible Lands - BC, p43)

For many centuries the Egyptians were present in Palestine, controlling the trade routes and importing the timber, olive oil and minerals not found in Egypt.

Archaeology has uncovered dramatic evidence of this pervasive Egyptian presence in 'Canaan'– yet nowhere does the Bible refer to Egyptians outside of Egypt.

It would spoil the story!

How could Hebrews escape into the promised land if the Bible admitted Egyptians were running the show there too?

'Neither Moses, nor an enslaved Israel nor the event of this Exodus are recorded in any known ancient records outside the Bible ...
Although its climate has preserved the tiniest traces of ancient bedouin encampments and the sparse 5000-year-old villages of mine workers there is not a single trace of Moses or the Israelites.'
– John Romer, Testament

Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot do.

Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs.

Until this time, and it will be an eternity - you are only one of many religious cult members - each claiming more or less the same immortality or enlightenment as others.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#178 Mar 5, 2013
A line from a myth that has been rewritten hundreds of times doesn't count as proof anymore than a Star Wars novel proves the existence of Darth Vader.

And it's been the last days for 2000 years while Jesus promised children at his feet some of them wouldn't die before the end came. Not to mention the prophets all wildly disagree with each other so we can conclude either god was lying to them all or that thy just made it up.

So we can clearly see the bible isn't an accurate source of evidence.

Again how did man come up with the concept of god?
His-truth wrote:
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I like Hebrews 1 ......
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways .. BUT in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son .. whom he appointed heir of all things .. and through whom he made the universe ... The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS BEING .. sustaining all things by his powerful word .. After he had provided purification for sins .. he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven

“the end-times is now”

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#179 Mar 5, 2013
Having undertaken .. for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honor of our King and Country .. A Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia .. do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another .. Covenant and Combine ourselves together into a Civil Body Politic .. for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid .. and by virtue hereof to enact .. constitute and frame such just and equal Laws .. Ordinances .. Acts .. Constitutions and Offices .. from time to time .. as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony .. unto which we promise all due submission and obedience ......

.......... read and weep atheists

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#180 Mar 5, 2013
"Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs" ... blah blah blah .....

show me your book ... dingleberry

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#181 Mar 5, 2013
look . . . just because I have something to look forward to after this life and you don't . . . not my fault .. that's yours . . . no skin off my nose

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#182 Mar 5, 2013
You just admitted it. Your concept of god is in your own words polar opposite to the ancient people! Again your words. Meaning you have confessed that you and they have invented this god with your imagination and nothing more. It couldn't be otherwise by your own admission.

You don't need science to prove imagination we can see even children playing with their toys using it.

Since we have no secular proof of these specific ancients who wrote about god even existing let alone their so called adventures we can clearly see how they like you created god with their imagination and nothing more.

They did this as a comfort measure when they were alone or scared. As a matter of explaining what they were unable to understand and yes to control their fellow man to do their bidding.

But humanity is growing up and the time has come to put away childish things.
01Justsayin wrote:
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I'm am cowering. You and I both know our opinions on the concept of God to ancient people are polar opposites. I could supply you all day long with written accounts of ancient people's experience with God. Therefore all we would, in actuality, be discussing is our own opinions.

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#184 Mar 5, 2013
His-truth wrote:
look ... just because I have something to look forward to after this life and you don't ... not my fault .. that's yours ... no skin off my nose
ah...that explains it.

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#185 Mar 5, 2013
thank you very much

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