Where is the Evidence for Atheism?

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Christians hear it all the time in one form or another from atheists and sceptics.

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Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#287 Mar 6, 2013
He indicated he understood! This could be a breakthrough.
Aerobatty wrote:
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Moo.

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#288 Mar 6, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>It is not a automatic assumption but rather common sense, observation, and a simple study of the origin of religions.

This what you will find, or should I say NOT FIND?

Neither Roman nor Egyptian record any persons known as Moses or Jesus as indicated in the OT or NT.

"Despite the mass of contemporary records that have been unearthed in Egypt, not one historical reference to the presence of the Israelites has yet been found there. Not a single mention of Joseph, the Pharaoh's 'Grand Vizier'. Not a word about Moses, or the spectacular flight from Egypt and the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army."
Magnus Magnusson (The Archaeology of the Bible Lands - BC, p43)

For many centuries the Egyptians were present in Palestine, controlling the trade routes and importing the timber, olive oil and minerals not found in Egypt.

Archaeology has uncovered dramatic evidence of this pervasive Egyptian presence in 'Canaan'– yet nowhere does the Bible refer to Egyptians outside of Egypt.

It would spoil the story!

How could Hebrews escape into the promised land if the Bible admitted Egyptians were running the show there too?

Neither Moses, nor an enslaved Israel nor the event of this Exodus are recorded in any known ancient records outside the Bible.

'Although its climate has preserved the tiniest traces of ancient bedouin encampments and the sparse 5000-year-old villages of mine workers there is not a single trace of Moses or the Israelites.'
– John Romer, Testament

I find it impossible to take a book seriously that contains: Unicorns, Demons, Zombies, talking animals and flying people.
Nobody told you to take anything. View the world how you want. However, your opinion on the matter doesn't make it fact. The fact remains that the scientific method cannot be used to disprove the existence of God.

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#289 Mar 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Are you a human or a parrot? I can teach a parrot to squawk you can't disprove god over and over again and the bird could do your childish temper tantrum for you. Again why can't the scientific method be used to disprove god?

Stop cowering from the question or does Polly need a cracker?
No childish temper tantrum here. Just a simple statement of fact. Which is that the scientific method cannot be used to prove or disprove the existence of God. As for your question, I have no idea. Probably the same reason it can't be used to prove God exists.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#290 Mar 6, 2013
How is it a statement of fact when you just admitted you do not even understand the statement?! Truly a parrot could do the same thing.

It's sad really. I mean really sad. You are a human being and have the capability of logic and reason beyond the animals. Yet your blind devotion to your imaginary friend and superstition has Dulles your ability. You have literally thrown out your birthright.

You keep parroting this line of yours yet can't even explain it!

Wow. Just wow. Know we know why you are just failing.
01Justsayin wrote:
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No childish temper tantrum here. Just a simple statement of fact. Which is that the scientific method cannot be used to prove or disprove the existence of God. As for your question, I have no idea. Probably the same reason it can't be used to prove God exists.

Since: Jan 13

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#291 Mar 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>How is it a statement of fact when you just admitted you do not even understand the statement?! Truly a parrot could do the same thing.

It's sad really. I mean really sad. You are a human being and have the capability of logic and reason beyond the animals. Yet your blind devotion to your imaginary friend and superstition has Dulles your ability. You have literally thrown out your birthright.

You keep parroting this line of yours yet can't even explain it!

Wow. Just wow. Know we know why you are just failing.
*Now
Thrown out my birthright? For simply choosing to believe in a God you cannot disprove exists using the scientific method? And bringing that to your attention makes me a parrot? Wow! Just wow! So the statement "You cannot prove or disprove the existence of God by using the scientific method" is not a fact? So you can use the scientific method to prove or disprove the existence of God? By all means, explain.
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#292 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Nobody told you to take anything. View the world how you want. However, your opinion on the matter doesn't make it fact. The fact remains that the scientific method cannot be used to disprove the existence of God.
Method Smethod?

I suggest that you are not very curious and willing to be told rather than to discover for yourself.

How long do you plan to avoid 'common sense'?

A) If logic is the hallmark that separates man from beast, why is religion then a matter of faith, rather than rationality?

B)If Christ died for your sins on the cross, how much of a sacrifice was it really, considering he was immortal?

C) Why do people continue to believe in religions gods when promises made for thousands of years have yet to be delivered, whereas, science has shown us the earth is NOT flat, the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, medicine heals but prayers dont, and although we cant literally walk on water we can circumnavigate the globe underwater in a submarine and fly to the moon?

D) If God made the earth and then created a great flood to wipe it out, how could a perfect, infallible being make something needing to be destroyed and begun anew?

E) If God gave his only son to save us from our sins, then why do we have to do anything?

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
-Albert Einstein

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#293 Mar 6, 2013
The scientific method is unsuited to evaluating whether God exists, which is why even the arguments from both points of view that claim to take a scientific approach are actually philosophical in nature, sometimes using proper logic, more often relying on obvious fallacies. How many on this forum have sufficient training to use the scientific method properly? Damned few, I'd guess.

For some here, God is an essential element of the philosophy by which they live, for others, not so much. That's not going to change, is it? Why would anyone expect it to? What, then, is the use of the ongoing cat fight between the two groups? Why can't we agree to disagree and leave it at that? What is with this compulsion to antagonize each other? I don't get it.

Let's look at the initial question for this thread. Why is the question posed in the first place? Are the theists demanding evidence seriously open to changing their views if sufficient evidence is produced? I doubt it. Do they seriously think that they can manipulate atheists with such an obvious and fallacious ploy? If so, they are delusional in at least that respect.

So what's the point? Why does anyone bother?

I think that most here post because they are seriously pissed off by one of the previous posts, so pissed off that they can't let go. So they write posts that piss others off, continuing the cascading food fight.

But really, what's the point?

Since: Jan 13

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#294 Mar 6, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>Method Smethod?

I suggest that you are not very curious and willing to be told rather than to discover for yourself.

How long do you plan to avoid 'common sense'?

A) If logic is the hallmark that separates man from beast, why is religion then a matter of “faith”, rather than rationality?

B)If “Christ died for your sins on the cross”, how much of a sacrifice was it really, considering he was immortal?

C) Why do people continue to believe in religion’s gods when promises made for thousands of years have yet to be delivered, whereas, science has shown us the earth is NOT flat, the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, medicine heals but prayers don’t, and although we can’t literally walk on water we can circumnavigate the globe underwater in a submarine and fly to the moon?

D) If God made the earth and then created a great flood to wipe it out, how could a perfect, infallible being make something needing to be destroyed and begun anew?

E) If God “gave his only son” to save us from our sins, then why do we have to do anything?

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
-Albert Einstein
I don't feel the need to touch God simply to believe in him. Feel free to judge that any way you choose. Also, It's funny to me how so many people misquote Einstein (who was not an atheist, by the way).

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#295 Mar 6, 2013
Again it's your assertion not mine. You made the assertion I asked you to explain it, you can't. You basically have admitted you do not know what you are talking about.
01Justsayin wrote:
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*Now
Thrown out my birthright? For simply choosing to believe in a God I cannot prove exists? And bringing that to your attention makes me a parrot? Wow! Just wow! So the statement "You cannot prove or disprove the existence of God by using the scientific method" is not a fact? So you can use the scientific method to prove or disprove the existence of God? By all means, explain.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#296 Mar 6, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Who are those people?
And what is their evidence?
For a god, there is evidence - along with millions of people.
So your analogy fails.
What evidence? You have never presented any ... oddly no one has ever presented any evidence for your god. So where is it?

You also pull a bandwagon fallacy, you do realize that the majority is wrong more often than correct, right?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#297 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Politics don't interest me whatsoever. Usually is not the same as always. There you go assuming again.
That had little to do with politics, you dismissed my post without even reading it. An intelligent person would have asked for evidence to my assertion, instead you just whimper and whine because you know you pulled a fallacy and thus your entire assertion was fallacious to begin with. You are a failure as a human being at this point in time, perhaps one day you can stop being one.

Since: Jan 13

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#298 Mar 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Again it's your assertion not mine. You made the assertion I asked you to explain it, you can't. You basically have admitted you do not know what you are talking about.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Polly

Since: Jan 13

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#299 Mar 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>That had little to do with politics, you dismissed my post without even reading it. An intelligent person would have asked for evidence to my assertion, instead you just whimper and whine because you know you pulled a fallacy and thus your entire assertion was fallacious to begin with. You are a failure as a human being at this point in time, perhaps one day you can stop being one.
Darlin, if you are a perfect specimen of what it means to be an intelligent person, then I'm content with where I'm at. You would think that an intelligent person, such as yourself, would have all the answers by now. You know being so highly advanced and all. If you are the next stop in the evolutionary process, I will politely decline. Now if you'll excuse me, I really have to get back to not being a human being.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#300 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Darlin, if you are a perfect specimen of what it means to be an intelligent person, then I'm content with where I'm at. You would think that an intelligent person, such as yourself, would have all the answers by now. You know being so highly advanced and all. If you are the next stop in the evolutionary process, I will politely decline. Now if you'll excuse me, I really have to get back to not being a human being.
Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, but knowing which answers are acceptable. You think you have all the answers, but you present only one single non-answer to everything, and it's a non-answer that offers no benefit even if it was correct. You have zero evidence supporting your one non-answer, and present no reason that your non-answer is true. I say "I don't know" to many things, and the answers I do have I can back up with verifiable evidence and sound reasoning and logic. But more importantly, I have the intelligence to know when I don't know something.

Since: Jan 13

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#301 Mar 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, but knowing which answers are acceptable. You think you have all the answers, but you present only one single non-answer to everything, and it's a non-answer that offers no benefit even if it was correct. You have zero evidence supporting your one non-answer, and present no reason that your non-answer is true. I say "I don't know" to many things, and the answers I do have I can back up with verifiable evidence and sound reasoning and logic. But more importantly, I have the intelligence to know when I don't know something.
Do you post under another name on here as well? Cause there's a person on here who could be your twin. I find her to be an equally repulsive human being.

Since: Jan 13

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#302 Mar 6, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
The scientific method is unsuited to evaluating whether God exists, which is why even the arguments from both points of view that claim to take a scientific approach are actually philosophical in nature, sometimes using proper logic, more often relying on obvious fallacies. How many on this forum have sufficient training to use the scientific method properly? Damned few, I'd guess.

For some here, God is an essential element of the philosophy by which they live, for others, not so much. That's not going to change, is it? Why would anyone expect it to? What, then, is the use of the ongoing cat fight between the two groups? Why can't we agree to disagree and leave it at that? What is with this compulsion to antagonize each other? I don't get it.

Let's look at the initial question for this thread. Why is the question posed in the first place? Are the theists demanding evidence seriously open to changing their views if sufficient evidence is produced? I doubt it. Do they seriously think that they can manipulate atheists with such an obvious and fallacious ploy? If so, they are delusional in at least that respect.

So what's the point? Why does anyone bother?

I think that most here post because they are seriously pissed off by one of the previous posts, so pissed off that they can't let go. So they write posts that piss others off, continuing the cascading food fight.

But really, what's the point?
Very very well put.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#303 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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No. Your point continues to elude me. Please try making it again.
His point is that you theists argue that because we cannot disprove the existence of a god, that we must accept the possibility of the existence of a deity. By that same logic, we have to accept the existence of gremlins, goblins, fauns, unicorns, fairies, witches, Harry Potter, etc.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#304 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Do you post under another name on here as well? Cause there's a person on here who could be your twin. I find her to be an equally repulsive human being.
If you find her repulsive, and find I am as well, then perhaps she is on the right track to making you actually think for a change. Now that I know you find intellect repulsive, I'd wager she's far brighter than you are as well.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#305 Mar 6, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>His point is that you theists argue that because we cannot disprove the existence of a god, that we must accept the possibility of the existence of a deity. By that same logic, we have to accept the existence of gremlins, goblins, fauns, unicorns, fairies, witches, Harry Potter, etc.
... and your friendly neighborhood Spiderman. Must not forget the web slinger!

Since: Jan 13

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#306 Mar 6, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>His point is that you theists argue that because we cannot disprove the existence of a god, that we must accept the possibility of the existence of a deity. By that same logic, we have to accept the existence of gremlins, goblins, fauns, unicorns, fairies, witches, Harry Potter, etc.

Lol Cute. You know I'm gonna get very real with you for a minute. I'm not here to try and convince anyone they're wrong for believing the way they do. I respect your decision to do so. I'm not even here to argue my point. In no way am I desperate for approval. Honestly, the thing that I enjoy the most about talking to non believers is that it makes me think. I'm not (nor have I ever been) a closed minded individual. I enjoy learning new things about myself, others, and the world around me. In my opinion, that is all a part of the human experience. Each new challenge to why I believe what I believe urges me to read and learn and grow. In no way does it make me doubt my own personal convictions but rather it makes me want to further understand why I personally believe the way that I do. All joking, passionate debate, and sarcasm aside, I'm simply here for the learning experience it brings. When I feel I've soaked up as much as I can from these forums, I'll move onto the next step on my personal path to enlightenment. May you each find the fulfillment you seek as you walk your own unique paths.
Now enough circle time, f**ckers. I ain't gonna break out in kumbaya. Let's get back to it.

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