Where is the Evidence for Atheism?

Where is the Evidence for Atheism?

There are 305 comments on the News24 story from Feb 25, 2013, titled Where is the Evidence for Atheism?. In it, News24 reports that:

Christians hear it all the time in one form or another from atheists and sceptics.

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#207 Mar 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>A "general consensus" is not evidence. Not to mention, there are millions of gods, and people who believe in a lot of different ones, they don't all believe in the same one, thus they are all different.
Name them.
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#208 Mar 5, 2013
Normal Flora wrote:
Where is the evidence for NOT believing absurd religious nonsense? Under the Pia Mater!(Look it up)
(absurd religious nonsense)

Please explain
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#209 Mar 5, 2013
Proof of Evidence wrote:
<quoted text>
Name them.
http://www.godchecker.com/
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#210 Mar 5, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
Hitchens: "I don't have to prove asantaclausism, I don't have to prove awitchism. It's just--I have to say I think that those who do believe in these things have never been able to make a plausible or intelligible case for doing so.

I see no use in contributing to the animosity between atheists and believers. We see so much of that in this forum, and I can't help but believe that the same sentiments run through society as a whole even if they are rarely expressed with such candor or as much venom as they are here. I'm a bit puzzled about that--why do so many make the issue so personal that they allow petty squabbles to so dominate our discussions that real ideas have to take a back seat to the trading of insults?

The real questions that emerge from this rambling, then, are: How can atheists and believers form a balanced society that works reasonably well for everyone? What arrangements will allow us to relax and enjoy each other as people in spite of our differences. What can we do to make peace with each other?

The first step is to want that. I do. Am I alone?
(Thus he is both agnostic and atheist.)

Dawkins claimed to be agnostic and embarrassed to be an atheist.

"Clinton Richard Dawkins, FRS, FRSL, born March 26, 1941 (age 71), is a biologist, evolutionist, agnostic (See: Richard Dawkins and agnosticism) and leftist/liberal.[1] Most of Richard Dawkins' popular books have promoted evolutionary pseudoscience. Dawkins is also the former holder of the Charles Simonyi Chair of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. He is an ardent opponent of religion, which he dismisses as mere superstition.[2] However, Dawkins has offered no effective rebuttal to studies which show that the irreligious are more likely to be superstitious than evangelical Christians.[3] Moreover, in terms of the theism vs. agnosticism/atheism issue, Dawkins has shown himself to be rather ignorant in matters of theology and philosophy. For example, atheist philosopher Dr. Michael Ruse declared concerning Dawkins' book The God Delusion: "The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist."
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#211 Mar 5, 2013
Proof of Evidence wrote:
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...Most of Richard Dawkins' popular books have promoted evolutionary pseudoscience....
How much might such nonsense harm the USA?

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology

http://www.bookbrowse.com/biographies/index.c...

If it hadn't been for Prof Dawkins, some British Muslim schools would still be teaching someting akin to ID/creationism as science...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8814...
Good job it wasn't left to religionists to sort.
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#212 Mar 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Again agnostic and atheist are not exclusive terms are they both deal with separate issues no matter how much you stamp your feet and scream.

The term agnostic deals with not knowing if a god exists.
The term atheist deals with not believing a god exists.

So you can say I do not know if a god is there and decide you won't believe because of that and be an agnostic atheist.

Or you can say I do not know if a god is there but I will believe anyways and be an agnostic theist.

Again we really shouldn't have to explain this again and again and again and again.
Here is how the OED defines "atheism":

atheism Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god.

disbelieve 1. trans. Not to believe or credit; to refuse credence to: a. a statement or (alleged) fact: To reject the truth or reality of.

deny

To contradict or gainsay (anything stated or alleged); to declare to be untrue or untenable, or not what it is stated to be.
Logic. The opposite of affirm; to assert the contradictory of (a proposition).
To refuse to admit the truth of (a doctrine or tenet); to reject as untrue or unfounded; the opposite of assert or maintain.
To refuse to recognize or acknowledge (a person or thing) as having a certain character or certain claims; to disown, disavow, repudiate, renounce.
Note that the OED definition covers the whole spectrum of atheist belief, from weak atheism (those who do not believe in or credit the existence of one or more gods) to strong atheism (those who assert the contrary position, that a god does not exist).

Here is the OED's definition of "agnostic":

agnostic A. sb. One who holds that the existence of anything beyond and behind material phenomena is unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable, and especially that a First Cause and an unseen world are subjects of which we know nothing.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#213 Mar 5, 2013
Proof of Evidence wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is how the OED defines "atheism":
atheism Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god.
disbelieve 1. trans. Not to believe or credit; to refuse credence to: a. a statement or (alleged) fact: To reject the truth or reality of.
deny
To contradict or gainsay (anything stated or alleged); to declare to be untrue or untenable, or not what it is stated to be.
Logic. The opposite of affirm; to assert the contradictory of (a proposition).
To refuse to admit the truth of (a doctrine or tenet); to reject as untrue or unfounded; the opposite of assert or maintain.
To refuse to recognize or acknowledge (a person or thing) as having a certain character or certain claims; to disown, disavow, repudiate, renounce.
Note that the OED definition covers the whole spectrum of atheist belief, from weak atheism (those who do not believe in or credit the existence of one or more gods) to strong atheism (those who assert the contrary position, that a god does not exist).
Here is the OED's definition of "agnostic":
agnostic A. sb. One who holds that the existence of anything beyond and behind material phenomena is unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable, and especially that a First Cause and an unseen world are subjects of which we know nothing.
So Givemeliberty was essentailly correct.
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#214 Mar 5, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
These fairy tale believers are really immature.
You should not be so hard on them. They are just falling for what our schools are teaching.

Big Bang
Self generating life
Evolution
Worm holes
Space time travel

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#215 Mar 5, 2013
Proof of Evidence wrote:
<quoted text>
(Thus he is both agnostic and atheist.)
Dawkins claimed to be agnostic and embarrassed to be an atheist.
"Clinton Richard Dawkins, FRS, FRSL, born March 26, 1941 (age 71), is a biologist, evolutionist, agnostic (See: Richard Dawkins and agnosticism) and leftist/liberal.[1] Most of Richard Dawkins' popular books have promoted evolutionary pseudoscience. Dawkins is also the former holder of the Charles Simonyi Chair of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. He is an ardent opponent of religion, which he dismisses as mere superstition.[2] However, Dawkins has offered no effective rebuttal to studies which show that the irreligious are more likely to be superstitious than evangelical Christians.[3] Moreover, in terms of the theism vs. agnosticism/atheism issue, Dawkins has shown himself to be rather ignorant in matters of theology and philosophy. For example, atheist philosopher Dr. Michael Ruse declared concerning Dawkins' book The God Delusion: "The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist."
Conservapedia? Really?
Derek!

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#216 Mar 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>All of my beliefs are based on observable data not imagination so your rant is childish.

Again my opinion on god is I am not going to believe until there is demonstrable proof for him, until we have that we certainly can't legislate his so called rules that enforce bigotry and intolerance.

We shall instead legislate based on justice and fairness for the safety and well being of society NOT based on appeasing religious people's imaginary friend. The wall of separation between church and state must be place for the good of all.
This boy is insane!

"Liberty wrote:
"All of my beliefs are based on observable data not imagination"

"Liberty wrote:
I am a 32 year old multi-racial man with a Johnson bigger than anyone in your family"

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#217 Mar 5, 2013
You have already said so by your own words which include, there is no observable evidence for god in your own words. Your concept of god is the polar opposite of people in ancient times, by your own words.

More so I have $10,000 that says if I went to your church and has each member fill out a fun test on god as they envision him with several questions and answer options the members of the very church you sit at every week would have radically different answers.$10,000 says they wouldn't even be 70% in agreement on their notion of god.

Tests like this have been done before with always the same results. Each person has a unique and different idea of what go is or does or expects. Why? Well this is what we would expect if god was a figment of the imagination and didn't actually make himself known to people because of that they hear of the concept of god and their personal imagination and tastes fill in the rest.

This is true and you have already admitted it in saying your god would be the polar opposite of the ancient believers god.

So since your lot is completely unable to even define your god an his properties and characteristics let alone show evidence that he even exists it is only logical that until such time as you can even formulate a basic cohesive case for his existence we must assume he is a construct of the person's imagination and therefore must keep church and state separate and keep teachings of this imaginary god relegated to the home and church Nd not forced upon school children.
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Not in my opinion. Don't agree? Feel free to use the scientific method to prove me wrong.

Since: Jan 13

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#218 Mar 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>You have already said so by your own words which include, there is no observable evidence for god in your own words. Your concept of god is the polar opposite of people in ancient times, by your own words.

More so I have $10,000 that says if I went to your church and has each member fill out a fun test on god as they envision him with several questions and answer options the members of the very church you sit at every week would have radically different answers.$10,000 says they wouldn't even be 70% in agreement on their notion of god.

Tests like this have been done before with always the same results. Each person has a unique and different idea of what go is or does or expects. Why? Well this is what we would expect if god was a figment of the imagination and didn't actually make himself known to people because of that they hear of the concept of god and their personal imagination and tastes fill in the rest.

This is true and you have already admitted it in saying your god would be the polar opposite of the ancient believers god.

So since your lot is completely unable to even define your god an his properties and characteristics let alone show evidence that he even exists it is only logical that until such time as you can even formulate a basic cohesive case for his existence we must assume he is a construct of the person's imagination and therefore must keep church and state separate and keep teachings of this imaginary god relegated to the home and church Nd not forced upon school children.
Your ability to twist the words of men is uncanny. Does that come naturally or did you go to special classes for that? The ONLY thing I agree to is the fact that God's existence can neither be proven or disproven using the scientific method. Rendering your opinion as being just that. Your opinion. You and I both know what I meant earlier. No matter how much you choose to twist my words. Can I define God in my own words? Yeah. Would there be a point to arguing with you over it? Hell no. Why waste my time? Can I use the scientific method to prove his existence? No. Can you use the scientific method to disprove his existence? No. You are not right. I am not wrong. Our opinions simply differ. End of story.
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#219 Mar 5, 2013
EdSed wrote:
Way short of a million

Since: Apr 09

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#220 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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There is not now, nor has there ever been, one single person who can disprove the existence of God.
Why on earth would someone waste their time trying show there is NO proof of something for which there has never, ever been ANY proof?

Wouldn't that make them a crazy person?

"So, Tom, what are you up to these days?"

"Well, I'm trying to prove that Leprechauns aren't real, but every time I race to the end of a rainbow, the rainbow is gone!"

Same thing.
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#221 Mar 5, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>So Givemeliberty was essentailly correct.
And close counts in hand grenades too.

Since: Jan 13

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#222 Mar 5, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>Why on earth would someone waste their time trying show there is NO proof of something for which there has never, ever been ANY proof?

Wouldn't that make them a crazy person?

"So, Tom, what are you up to these days?"

"Well, I'm trying to prove that Leprechauns aren't real, but every time I race to the end of a rainbow, the rainbow is gone!"

Same thing.
Yet you atheists continue to seek proof that God doesn't exist. I'm not looking for proof. I'm content in my convictions. I am perfectly capable of admitting that I possess an opinion that can neither be proven or disproven using the scientific method. I'm okay with that. Why do you feel the need to constantly search for proof of God? In all honesty, some of you atheists seek God with more passion than most of us theists do.

Since: Apr 09

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#223 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Yet you atheists continue to seek proof that God doesn't exist. I'm not looking for proof. I'm content in my convictions. I am perfectly capable of admitting that I possess an opinion that can neither be proven or disproven using the scientific method. I'm okay with that. Why do you feel the need to constantly search for proof of God? In all honesty, some of you atheists seek God with more passion than most of us theists do.
I know of no atheists who are seeking proof that god doesn't exist.

Seriously, you're not making any sense at all....

Since: Jan 13

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#224 Mar 5, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>I know of no atheists who are seeking proof that god doesn't exist.

Seriously, you're not making any sense at all....
And yet you are always demanding proof of God's existence. For people who don't believe in him, you sure do obsess over him a lot.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#225 Mar 5, 2013
And for the umpteenth time, stop trying to use your imaginary friend named god as a reason to legislate and force your bigotry and ignorance upon the masses.

That's all.
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you are always demanding proof of God's existence. For people who don't believe in him, you sure do obsess over him a lot.

Since: Apr 09

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#226 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you are always demanding proof of God's existence. For people who don't believe in him, you sure do obsess over him a lot.
For people who have absolute faith in your god's existence, you sure do seem to obsess over atheists a lot....

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