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“I am”

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#1 Jan 4, 2012
Alright, humble brother. I set up your little thread for you.
Now, you have been talking a big game on the other thread that one should only believe experiments that any individual person can do. You also have been talking about how you can 100% prove that God exists through your own scientific experiments, while millions of scientists have tried and failed.

So, I ask you.
How can you irrefutably prove your theory (through scientific experiment) that God is the entire universe, and that everything that has existed, exists, and will exist is, in fact, God?

We would all love to hear it.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#2 Jan 4, 2012
Being Alive wrote:
Alright, humble brother. I set up your little thread for you.
Now, you have been talking a big game on the other thread that one should only believe experiments that any individual person can do. You also have been talking about how you can 100% prove that God exists through your own scientific experiments, while millions of scientists have tried and failed.
So, I ask you.
How can you irrefutably prove your theory (through scientific experiment) that God is the entire universe, and that everything that has existed, exists, and will exist is, in fact, God?
We would all love to hear it.
Well being alive I see that your studies of the bible have not been without true understanding.

You were looking for the truth of religion and you have found it.
I too am interested in the response and the evidence that humble brother states that he can produce.

This should be interesting.

“I am”

Since: Jul 11

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#3 Jan 4, 2012
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>
Well being alive I see that your studies of the bible have not been without true understanding.
You were looking for the truth of religion and you have found it.
I too am interested in the response and the evidence that humble brother states that he can produce.
This should be interesting.
Seeing the Bible for what it is has truly opened my eyes and shown me the terror of the Bible, rather than the loving, compassionate, and understanding Bible that I was taught growing up.

I'll need to get the popcorn ready. I'm excited to see what he has to say.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#4 Jan 4, 2012
I can absolutely prove the bible god real. And I can do it using only the bible and the incontrovertible evidence that we see daily, from every Christain alive.

First of all, no one can dispute, that the Christain is morally superior to every non-Christain in every aspect.They are more honest, more moral, more descent, more trust worthy, more loving than any other group of people. Theft, rape, murder, mayhem, divorce, adultery and prevarication are unknown among them.
They exemplify that which we all aspire to.

These things though, are not my proof that the god is real. My proof is prayer.
In reading the bible we learn that there is only one stipulation, from the bible god, to attain answered prayers. That stipulation is to ask in his name. That is it, nothing more, no more qualifiers. Just ask in his name.

Now for the proof, every Christain woman is rolling in precious metals, gems and great piles of money. There are literally dozens of suitors(male and female) pursuing her at all times. Her children are perfect and non-obtrusive, her husband a billionaire many times over. That she still lives in a single wide, with cars rotting among vegetation in the yard is because she is meant to be god's witness to those lesser beings, who inhabit the trailer park. She and all her sisters-in-Christ are the proof.

Look at any Christain man, do you see them, the super models, the beautiful starlets, the incredible leading men, all of their neighbors teenage daughters and sons, there following them, begging for the experience of a lifetime. Do them, just the once, show them what a magnificent stud he is, "please please do them" they beg. Add to that proof of answered prayer, of course he is wallowing in piles of dough. That is a given. He and all his like minded brothers-in-Christ are the proof.

Look to any Christain teenage boy, there they are again, millions of the most desirable, the best endowed people ever born, and every one of them needs him sexually. They never move away from his genitals, they desire him more than air to breathe. They need him, they beg him for more, more, more. If any teenage boy took the time to pray for his acne to disappear, somebody else might get a second of what he could be getting, so his zit spotted face is more proof of answered prayer. There is no need to say that he too, is a billionaire many times over.

Then look to the girls, every one of them have Justin Beber or Katy Perry drooling over them, singing to them and asking for the chance to just touch them down there. These Christain girls are of course all beautiful, not one menstruates or gets zits. They too are proof that the bible is true, you merely have to ask in his name to get exactly what you want.

You cannot prove me wrong, it isn't possible. There is no such thing as a Christain who doesn't have everything, ever a human being could wish for. And it all came to them through prayer.

“I am”

Since: Jul 11

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#5 Jan 4, 2012
Lmao, dude. That's a funny form of proof.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#6 Jan 4, 2012
Being Alive wrote:
Lmao, dude. That's a funny form of proof.
The glaring inconsistence's aren't very noticeable are they? I would hate for anyone to think it mockery of the power of prayer.

“I am”

Since: Jul 11

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#7 Jan 4, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>The glaring inconsistence's aren't very noticeable are they? I would hate for anyone to think it mockery of the power of prayer.
As noticeable as a black bear in a snowstorm.... wait..

Ah, it is a pity that us lost and wayward souls are not able to truly experience the fantastic love of God. Alas, our reasoning and logic keep us inching closer and closer to Hell
If only there were a majestic, heroic, meek, and blessed Christian who could guide us on the straight and narrow path!
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#9 Jan 8, 2012
The question here now here is:
DO YOU REALLY TRULY WANT TO FIND GOD?

If you don't then stop reading this and go do something else. If you're here just to play around and not being serious then you're just being childish.

If you really want to find God and observe the evidence yourself here's what you can do. You must stop believing what all other people say and start searching for a personal relationship with God:

1. First you must open your mind and believe that God may exist and you just don't know or understand Him. If you fail to do this you have failed to even try and find God.

2. You must humble yourself, pride and arrogance will only prevent you from finding God.

3. Accept the fact that even ALL hardship in life is just for your own benefit.

4. Speak to the Father in your thoughts. Ask Him to become real in your life. Ask him to reveal himself through His creation.

5. Genuinely from the bottom of your heart give God the permission to start molding you like clay. Analyse your life and give up some things in your life that you think may be causing you to sin. Let them go for good. If you immediately plan to pick them up again later then you have failed.

6. Dedicate 30 minutes of e.g. each evening for your discussion with God. At first it may seem to you like a monologue but just be patient and humble, do this every evening for a month. Always remember to humble yourself.

7. Genuinely try not to do anything that you think may be sinning. If you think something is morally wrong use that as an indicator.

“I am”

Since: Jul 11

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#10 Jan 8, 2012
humble brother wrote:
The question here now here is:
DO YOU REALLY TRULY WANT TO FIND GOD?
If you don't then stop reading this and go do something else. If you're here just to play around and not being serious then you're just being childish.
If you really want to find God and observe the evidence yourself here's what you can do. You must stop believing what all other people say and start searching for a personal relationship with God:
1. First you must open your mind and believe that God may exist and you just don't know or understand Him. If you fail to do this you have failed to even try and find God.
2. You must humble yourself, pride and arrogance will only prevent you from finding God.
3. Accept the fact that even ALL hardship in life is just for your own benefit.
4. Speak to the Father in your thoughts. Ask Him to become real in your life. Ask him to reveal himself through His creation.
5. Genuinely from the bottom of your heart give God the permission to start molding you like clay. Analyse your life and give up some things in your life that you think may be causing you to sin. Let them go for good. If you immediately plan to pick them up again later then you have failed.
6. Dedicate 30 minutes of e.g. each evening for your discussion with God. At first it may seem to you like a monologue but just be patient and humble, do this every evening for a month. Always remember to humble yourself.
7. Genuinely try not to do anything that you think may be sinning. If you think something is morally wrong use that as an indicator.
..........
That's it?
That's the scientific experiment that you have for everyone?
That does not prove that God exists at all.
That only proves that you BELIEVE that God exists.
We're looking for actual scientific experiments to prove that a God exists. However, what you have offered does not in any way prove God or heaven or anything like that. What you have given is essentially the statement that "If you turn your heart to him, then He exists."
See, the thing with your experiment is that it is psychological. If you continue such patterns and completely abandon everything else you have learned involving God (and begin to blindly accept him as truth) then all there is left is a belief in God.
We wish for actual scientific experiments that irrefutably prove God.
You said that one should conduct scientific experiments to follow a belief in God.
All this is is following blindly and accepting it as truth.
You got anything else?
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#11 Jan 8, 2012
Being Alive wrote:
We're looking for actual scientific experiments to prove that a God exists.
I gave you exactly just that.
Being Alive wrote:
However, what you have offered does not in any way prove God or heaven or anything like that. What you have given is essentially the statement that "If you turn your heart to him, then He exists."
See, the thing with your experiment is that it is psychological. If you continue such patterns and completely abandon everything else you have learned involving God (and begin to blindly accept him as truth) then all there is left is a belief in God.
FALSE claim. I gave you specific instructions to ask God to reveal Himself to you through His creation. Do you understand what that means?

You will not see any magic. If you humble yourself you will see God giving you signs very often. Then you start gathering statistics and applying probability theories on the statistics.
Being Alive wrote:
We wish for actual scientific experiments that irrefutably prove God.
You said that one should conduct scientific experiments to follow a belief in God.
All this is is following blindly and accepting it as truth.
You got anything else?
You must understand that a scientist can not get any results from experiments if the experiments are not thoroughly conducted. Perhaps you're not a scientific person and are not able to perform the experiments then.

Think about this. Scientist believe that a particle called Higgs boson exists. They have spent massive amounts of money simply to prepare and try to find evidence of the thing.

What you are doing would equal to these scientists saying:
"First show us evidence of the particle and then we will believe."
If no one believes then no experiments get done and if the particle does exist it certainly will NOT be found.

If you do this then in essence you're an irrational person claiming to be scientific and refusing to perform simple experiments that would get you results.

If you refuse, then stop whining about this matter.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#12 Jan 8, 2012
Being Alive wrote:
<quoted text>
..........
That's it?
That's the scientific experiment that you have for everyone?
That does not prove that God exists at all.
That only proves that you BELIEVE that God exists.
We're looking for actual scientific experiments to prove that a God exists. However, what you have offered does not in any way prove God or heaven or anything like that. What you have given is essentially the statement that "If you turn your heart to him, then He exists."
See, the thing with your experiment is that it is psychological. If you continue such patterns and completely abandon everything else you have learned involving God (and begin to blindly accept him as truth) then all there is left is a belief in God.
We wish for actual scientific experiments that irrefutably prove God.
You said that one should conduct scientific experiments to follow a belief in God.
All this is is following blindly and accepting it as truth.
You got anything else?
A less evasive form of brainwashing.

A self imposed thought and or actions that are repeatedly perform for a desired outcome.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13 Jan 8, 2012
Very Cynical Person wrote:
A less evasive form of brainwashing.
A self imposed thought and or actions that are repeatedly perform for a desired outcome.
A desired outcome? How can that be arranged when he is performing the experiments? You believe that I can somehow magically make sure that he sees some signs? How do you suppose that happens?

Now YOU have to explain yourself and how I could get an outcome which I desire for his experiments while I have no way of affecting the experiments?

The ball is in your court. Please explain.

“I am”

Since: Jul 11

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#14 Jan 8, 2012
humble brother wrote:
<quoted text>
I gave you exactly just that.
<quoted text>
FALSE claim. I gave you specific instructions to ask God to reveal Himself to you through His creation. Do you understand what that means?
You will not see any magic. If you humble yourself you will see God giving you signs very often. Then you start gathering statistics and applying probability theories on the statistics.
<quoted text>
You must understand that a scientist can not get any results from experiments if the experiments are not thoroughly conducted. Perhaps you're not a scientific person and are not able to perform the experiments then.
Think about this. Scientist believe that a particle called Higgs boson exists. They have spent massive amounts of money simply to prepare and try to find evidence of the thing.
What you are doing would equal to these scientists saying:
"First show us evidence of the particle and then we will believe."
If no one believes then no experiments get done and if the particle does exist it certainly will NOT be found.
If you do this then in essence you're an irrational person claiming to be scientific and refusing to perform simple experiments that would get you results.
If you refuse, then stop whining about this matter.
1) No. You didn't. You gave us a list of how to worship the deity. That isn't proof of God's existence.
2) Suppose that there was a certain kid that I know who tried to "humble himself" before the Lord, and tried to receive His Love and Grace by accepting Him as the "King of Kings." Suppose that kid tried to do so for five years, and saw no results.
What would you tell that "kid" after all of his praying and hope? Would you tell him to pray harder?
To add, "probability statistics" are not at ALL proof. That is 100% theory. I can create "probability statistics" about anything, but that doesn't mean that it is something that can occur.
3) The problem with your argument is that many of the atheists of the past tried such experiments and tried to find God, but didn't. They learned otherwise, and learned that the "probability" of a deity which can interact with it's environment but cannot be studied or observed is extremely low.
I understand the scientific inquiry, and I understand that one cannot be shown evidence unless they look for it.
However, many atheists have looked for it, and found it to be false.
That's why they don't believe in it.
I've done experiments to try and find God, and they all failed.
If an experiment fails, then the hypothesis is false.

Since: Nov 11

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#15 Jan 8, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
I can absolutely prove the bible god real. And I can do it using only the bible and the incontrovertible evidence that we see daily, from every Christain alive..
Christian Love, really?

I have been psychologically tortured by Christians and forced out of my workplace by their bullying and am at home on disability to the degree that I am a virtual shut in - terrified to leave my house. Just because they could.

so your claim of Christians being morally superior fails every test

because history and the personal experience of people like me

demonstrate that any time Christians have power over other people, they abuse it.

in fact, any time anyone thinks that they are a god - like any dicator of any political stripe - or thinks that they are god's rep on earth - they demonstrate the quality of their character Old Testament style

all while claiming to follow the NT

but that's just old god with Santa's skin and coat preventing us from seeing to the real god of christianity

Since: Nov 11

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#16 Jan 8, 2012
humble brother wrote:
The question here now here is:
DO YOU REALLY TRULY WANT TO FIND GOD?....
then don't look to religion, because there's no god to connect to

and all those emotions that you feel in your head about god

are chemical and electrical washes in your brain that happen in times of stress and creativity

but because you have no clue about the human body

you can't connect the physical and emotional sensations to your physical reality

in large part, because religion can trigger those washes by engaging you emotionally and making a false connection in your mind

between those very good feelings and the religion

when those very good feelings of being comforted and loved
of love radiating through your body and a clarity of vision and purpose

are actually generated in your mind

and religion has co-opted them and sold you a pack of incoherent easy to grasp by not thinking too hard and selling you a ready made universe to plug into and be manipulated by those who know the right tones and vibes to trigger those feelings.

and the reason that athiests can't talk to beleivers

is because we know those same feelings as creativity and inspiration

and they've got nothing to do with anything outside of yourself

they are down to how robust and complex a thinker that you are

and inside a religionverse, you are not a thinker, you're someone else's plaything

but you can't see outside of the religion enough to understand
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#17 Jan 8, 2012
Being Alive wrote:
<quoted text>
1) No. You didn't. You gave us a list of how to worship the deity. That isn't proof of God's existence.
2) Suppose that there was a certain kid that I know who tried to "humble himself" before the Lord, and tried to receive His Love and Grace by accepting Him as the "King of Kings." Suppose that kid tried to do so for five years, and saw no results.
What would you tell that "kid" after all of his praying and hope? Would you tell him to pray harder?
To add, "probability statistics" are not at ALL proof. That is 100% theory. I can create "probability statistics" about anything, but that doesn't mean that it is something that can occur.
3) The problem with your argument is that many of the atheists of the past tried such experiments and tried to find God, but didn't. They learned otherwise, and learned that the "probability" of a deity which can interact with it's environment but cannot be studied or observed is extremely low.
I understand the scientific inquiry, and I understand that one cannot be shown evidence unless they look for it.
However, many atheists have looked for it, and found it to be false.
That's why they don't believe in it.
I've done experiments to try and find God, and they all failed.
If an experiment fails, then the hypothesis is false.
You're a man of fallacies. As I said if you don't care to properly do the experiments then stop whining.

Now you blurted out the biggest fallacy of them all, it quite well describes how you are.

If an experiment fails then what you have is a failed experiment and it needs to be conducted again so that it does not fail.

If an experiment is successful and the result contradicts the hypothesis then the hypothesis may be falsified but first the experiment needs to be repeated many times by many different people before the falsification is confirmed.

I suppose it is totally useless trying to discuss with you when you don't know the basic things about science. Your writings have shown you to be a young irrational person having some emotional reason for believing what you believe.

So because you are not interested, I am not interested in your situation anymore...

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#18 Jan 8, 2012
humble brother wrote:
<quoted text>
A desired outcome? How can that be arranged when he is performing the experiments? You believe that I can somehow magically make sure that he sees some signs? How do you suppose that happens?
Now YOU have to explain yourself and how I could get an outcome which I desire for his experiments while I have no way of affecting the experiments?
The ball is in your court. Please explain.
NO you were just the one giving the instructions of how to perform self-brainwashing to achieve what you consider the goal.

Since: Jan 08

Danville, CA

#19 Jan 8, 2012
humble brother wrote:
The question here now here is:
DO YOU REALLY TRULY WANT TO FIND GOD?
If you don't then stop reading this and go do something else. If you're here just to play around and not being serious then you're just being childish.
If you really want to find God and observe the evidence yourself here's what you can do. You must stop believing what all other people say and start searching for a personal relationship with God:
1. First you must open your mind and believe that God may exist and you just don't know or understand Him. If you fail to do this you have failed to even try and find God.
2. You must humble yourself, pride and arrogance will only prevent you from finding God.
3. Accept the fact that even ALL hardship in life is just for your own benefit.
4. Speak to the Father in your thoughts. Ask Him to become real in your life. Ask him to reveal himself through His creation.
5. Genuinely from the bottom of your heart give God the permission to start molding you like clay. Analyse your life and give up some things in your life that you think may be causing you to sin. Let them go for good. If you immediately plan to pick them up again later then you have failed.
6. Dedicate 30 minutes of e.g. each evening for your discussion with God. At first it may seem to you like a monologue but just be patient and humble, do this every evening for a month. Always remember to humble yourself.
7. Genuinely try not to do anything that you think may be sinning. If you think something is morally wrong use that as an indicator.
If I do all these things will Odin speak to me in a manner I can understand? Or Krishna? Or Allah? Or the Mormon God? Or Zeus? Or to make sure I cover all bases, should it be all gods?

Since: Jan 08

Danville, CA

#20 Jan 8, 2012
random ntrygg wrote:
<quoted text>
Christian Love, really?
I have been psychologically tortured by Christians and forced out of my workplace by their bullying and am at home on disability to the degree that I am a virtual shut in - terrified to leave my house. Just because they could.
so your claim of Christians being morally superior fails every test
because history and the personal experience of people like me
demonstrate that any time Christians have power over other people, they abuse it.
in fact, any time anyone thinks that they are a god - like any dicator of any political stripe - or thinks that they are god's rep on earth - they demonstrate the quality of their character Old Testament style
all while claiming to follow the NT
but that's just old god with Santa's skin and coat preventing us from seeing to the real god of christianity
He was being satirical. Or Ironic. Or if you prefer, satirically ironic.
the serpent was right

Fogelsville, PA

#21 Jan 8, 2012
humble brother wrote:
The question here now here is:
DO YOU REALLY TRULY WANT TO FIND GOD?
If you don't then stop reading this and go do something else. If you're here just to play around and not being serious then you're just being childish.
If you really want to find God and observe the evidence yourself here's what you can do. You must stop believing what all other people say and start searching for a personal relationship with God:
1. First you must open your mind and believe that God may exist and you just don't know or understand Him. If you fail to do this you have failed to even try and find God.
2. You must humble yourself, pride and arrogance will only prevent you from finding God.
3. Accept the fact that even ALL hardship in life is just for your own benefit.
4. Speak to the Father in your thoughts. Ask Him to become real in your life. Ask him to reveal himself through His creation.
5. Genuinely from the bottom of your heart give God the permission to start molding you like clay. Analyse your life and give up some things in your life that you think may be causing you to sin. Let them go for good. If you immediately plan to pick them up again later then you have failed.
6. Dedicate 30 minutes of e.g. each evening for your discussion with God. At first it may seem to you like a monologue but just be patient and humble, do this every evening for a month. Always remember to humble yourself.
7. Genuinely try not to do anything that you think may be sinning. If you think something is morally wrong use that as an indicator.
Epic failure.

Your first line sums up the reason that this is not an experiment, but rather an attempt at self deception....
"The question here now here is:
DO YOU REALLY TRULY WANT TO FIND GOD?
If you don't then stop reading this and go do something else."

Can you imagine using that load of crap as evidence in a court of law? LOL!!!!

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we are about to provide evidence that Fred killed George, now, The question here now here is:
DO YOU REALLY TRULY WANT TO FIND FRED GUILTY?
If you don't then stop listening to this and go do something else.

LOL!!!!!!

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