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#1 Sep 30, 2012
Article from Psychology Today:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/breakfast...

Creationism as a mental illness

In Cockney rhyming slang, the word ‘believe’ is represented by ‘Adam and Eve’. When faced with something baffling, shocking or plain peculiar, you might use the rhetorical expression,‘Would you Adam and Eve it?’ It’s ironic, then, that one of the great debates of the day is about the literal truth of the bible story; or in other words, the extent to which we should Adam and Eve in Adam and Eve.

It’s a question not just of belief but of denial. The phrase ‘in denial’ has become so commonplace it’s hard to still hear its power. In common with the ostrich which, as danger approaches, buries its head in the sand, those who are ‘in denial’ prefer a false but subjective sense of security to a true but objectively scary reality. Denial brings short term, if illusory, comfort.

Hence creationism, the theory/superstition that, contrary to massive scientific evidence, the world began exactly as described in the Book of Genesis. Instead of deriving from millions of years of patient evolution, Adam and Eve popped out, fully formed, like characters from a Swiss cuckoo clock. Would you Adam and Eve it? Of course not. It’s a myth, but like many myths it serves a psychological purpose which is to provide a storybook sense of simple origins, which allays people’s fears. Those who believe this myth to be the truth are in a state of denial.

Along with denial, two other factors connect creationism with mental illness. The first is psychosis, which is an extension of denial. If psychosis is marked by the discrepancy between one’s personal view of the world and the consensual view, creationism holds onto the personal view at all costs, refusing to accept what is abundantly clear. True, if creationism became the majority view, its psychotic character might be mitigated. Except that this majority view would have no more valence than the belief so widely held about the relationship between the sun and the earth before Copernicus proved how the latter orbits the former, and not vice versa.

Finally, creationism shares with autism an alleged lack of ability for irony. Creationists take the bible story as literally true, unable to recognise that it might be working on those other, mythic levels.

If tests for madness include talking to yourself and looking for hairs on the palm of your hand, then here’s another: do you Adam and Eve in Adam and Eve?

“God=Registered Sex Offender!”

Since: Jul 12

Wylie, TX

#2 Sep 30, 2012
Yes, creationism is mental illness but atheists hold on to the myth that TRUE Christians must be sane. Nonsense! Intelligence, education, self esteem and sanity are BARRIERS to salvation.

I've said it before...

The Good News is that you DO NOT have to be intelligent to be a Christian and you certainly don't need self esteem. TRUE Christians don’t think positively about ourselves, for our faith teaches that we are miserable beings, born into sin. Every one of us is so despicable that we deserve to burn in flames forever. It is only by the grace of God that we will wind up in Heaven—we have certainly done nothing to deserve to be there. Christians take no pride in anything we accomplish on Earth, for worldly accomplishments are evil (1 John 2:16; 1 Timothy 3:6). True Christians,like many psychiatric outpatients, think of ourselves as totally undeserving, wretched beings, who are lucky God has decided to spare us. In other words, one needn’t seek psychiatric help and eliminate feelings of self-doubt and worthlessness to be a Christian. Those emotions, plus ignorance, are the essence of our faith and a key to our salvation.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#3 Sep 30, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
Article from Psychology Today:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/breakfast...
Creationism as a mental illness
In Cockney rhyming slang, the word ‘believe’ is represented by ‘Adam and Eve’. When faced with something baffling, shocking or plain peculiar, you might use the rhetorical expression,‘Would you Adam and Eve it?’ It’s ironic, then, that one of the great debates of the day is about the literal truth of the bible story; or in other words, the extent to which we should Adam and Eve in Adam and Eve.
It’s a question not just of belief but of denial. The phrase ‘in denial’ has become so commonplace it’s hard to still hear its power. In common with the ostrich which, as danger approaches, buries its head in the sand, those who are ‘in denial’ prefer a false but subjective sense of security to a true but objectively scary reality. Denial brings short term, if illusory, comfort.
Hence creationism, the theory/superstition that, contrary to massive scientific evidence, the world began exactly as described in the Book of Genesis. Instead of deriving from millions of years of patient evolution, Adam and Eve popped out, fully formed, like characters from a Swiss cuckoo clock. Would you Adam and Eve it? Of course not. It’s a myth, but like many myths it serves a psychological purpose which is to provide a storybook sense of simple origins, which allays people’s fears. Those who believe this myth to be the truth are in a state of denial.
Along with denial, two other factors connect creationism with mental illness. The first is psychosis, which is an extension of denial. If psychosis is marked by the discrepancy between one’s personal view of the world and the consensual view, creationism holds onto the personal view at all costs, refusing to accept what is abundantly clear. True, if creationism became the majority view, its psychotic character might be mitigated. Except that this majority view would have no more valence than the belief so widely held about the relationship between the sun and the earth before Copernicus proved how the latter orbits the former, and not vice versa.
Finally, creationism shares with autism an alleged lack of ability for irony. Creationists take the bible story as literally true, unable to recognise that it might be working on those other, mythic levels.
If tests for madness include talking to yourself and looking for hairs on the palm of your hand, then here’s another: do you Adam and Eve in Adam and Eve?
Interesting. On the other hand, unless you believe the story of the creation and the fall is literally true, then the story of jesus as a redemptive sacrifice makes no sense whatever.(Not that the concept that an all perfect being created himself as his own son in order to sacrifice him (self) to himself in order to save us from his own wrath is any model of coherence or logis in the first place.) If there's no fall and no original sin, the rest of the story is a huge non-sequiter. If you say that all humans are imperfect, and needed to be redeemed from their imperfection, then the obvious question is,"After the crucifixion, did humans become any less imperfect?" The answer is clearly "No." So the sacrifice had no effect whatsoever. One would expect an all-knowing being to come up with a better story than that.

Of course, a truly all-powerful being who desired to forgive humanity did not need to go through the whole sacrifice charade to begin with. He could have simply decreed forgiveness. No need for the whole Rube Goldberg like salvation scheme involving all the creating a son with a woman born sinless in order for him to be killed to appease his father who is also himself. Speaking of which, if god had the power to create mary without sin, why could he not have used that template to create all humanity without sin? Just goes to show the smartest being in the universe probably couldn't pass freshman logic.
KittenKokroche

Brisbane, Australia

#4 Oct 1, 2012
Why dont you go into a mosque and spout that crap

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#5 Oct 1, 2012
KittenKokroche wrote:
Why dont you go into a mosque and spout that crap
Because all of those desert religions(Judism, christianity, Islam) demand violence of their adherences. Who would be stupid enough to walk into a mob of godbots and disagree with their mythology?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#6 Oct 1, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
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Because all of those desert religions(Judism, christianity, Islam) demand violence of their adherences. Who would be stupid enough to walk into a mob of godbots and disagree with their mythology?
Children?

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/pew-...

Religion = superstition

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#7 Oct 1, 2012
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Children?
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/pew-...
Religion = superstition
Nice.
I book marked that. Thanks.
Education is the enemy of religion.
mez

Montgomery Village, MD

#8 Oct 1, 2012
are athiests against religion or spirituality? honest question. there is a difference.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#9 Oct 1, 2012
mez wrote:
are athiests against religion or spirituality? honest question. there is a difference.
I can only speak for myself. I am against religion. As much good can come from organized religion, like soup kitchens, etc. many bad things can happen also, such as organizing against legislation that allows equal rights to gay people, etc.

I don't see a need for religion in order for people to do good things.

That being said,I am not against people believing what they want to believe, such as god, or spirituality. However, I do not subscribe to believing in either of those for a simple lack of any evidence.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#10 Oct 1, 2012
KittenKokroche wrote:
Why dont you go into a mosque and spout that crap
Atheist group targets Muslims, Jews with ‘myth’ billboards in Arabic and Hebrew

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/01/athe...

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#11 Oct 1, 2012
mez wrote:
are athiests against religion or spirituality? honest question. there is a difference.
That depends on how spirituality is defined and on which atheists are thinking about it. there is no question that some of our cognitive activity takes place "beneath the surface" of consciousness. Dreams are the most obvious evidence of this. How, exactly, do we create these mysterious and powerful dramas while we sleep? I'm not sure anyone really knows. When I am very tired but must remain awake, these irrational "subroutines" sometimes impinge on my conscious activity, producing some very bizarre lines of thought that I rather enjoy most of the time, but rarely remember for long. I doubt that that process is any better understood.

If spirituality involves conscious effort to link up with the subconscious in order to to gain insights, I for one am on board. I no longer meditate daily, but I still do from time to time. I find that doing so creates a sense of wholeness of being, emotional balance, and equanimity. But I don't believe that there is a spiritual component to the human mind that is independent of its organic functioning, and efforts to pursue its alleged abilities make no sense to me--for now. Further life experience could provide evidence of such phenomena. There are few things more certain than new discoveries that change world views. May we all be open to them.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#12 Oct 1, 2012
mez wrote:
are athiests against religion or spirituality? honest question. there is a difference.
Atheism in itself is not "against" anything. It is simply a lack of belief ina god or gods. That being said, the answer to your question would depend on the individual.
Mr Smartypants

Watseka, IL

#13 Dec 15, 2012
mez wrote:
are athiests against religion or spirituality? honest question. there is a difference.
We're all different on this--the only thing atheists have in common is a disbelief in gods. Personally, I consider myself very spiritual; it's just that my spiritualism has nothing in common with organized religion...

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#14 Dec 15, 2012
Creationism is a mental illness: was there any doubt?

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