Aliens and evolution

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DENTON, Texas, June 19, 2012 - Aliens are ingrained in our cultural psyche. They abound in books, movies, radio, and a thousand theories about the extra-terrestrial, little green men, UFO sightings, abductions, Area 51, and Roswell.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#6025 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet he's only read select passages, those that support a purposeful agenda. I wouldn't advise taking Bible study with him.
Leave the irony meters alone, Bri.

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Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#6026 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'll bet he's only read select passages, those that support a purposeful agenda. I wouldn't advise taking Bible study with him.
Most people never read the bible for what it is they only read what they want.

No true believer reads the words as written only as stated to them as how they should understand them.

I spent almost 50 years in religion and believing what I had been told until me really read and understood what I had read.

I have no animosity toward them, just their belief system as it is.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#6027 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>It is if you support slavery; Exodus is a biblical story against slavery.
Exodus is about the power from gawd on the mountain, given through a burning bush to Moses and his army to deliver all insane people from one master ...to another. They lied their way across time, and ended up defeated by Iron Chariots. Now they beg for a temple to conjure demons and sacrifice flesh to a abomination , the terrible god of war. YHWH

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#6028 Mar 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Do you have a problem with this?
1 Timothy 6
King James Bible
Instructions to Servants
(Ephesians 6:5-9)
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
Reject False Doctrines
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Contentment in Godliness
But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Fight the Good Fight
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
A Charge to the Rich
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
Final Guidance
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.{The first to Timothy was written from Laodicea, which is the chiefest city of Phrygia Pacatiana."
http://kingjbible.com/1_timothy/6.htm
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The Dude wrote:
Worship or burn. That's what all the fundies around here tell me with their fascination of the fundamentalist revenge fantasy. And quite often with Biblical support for it. Hence, slavery.
They don't tell me that.

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The Dude wrote:
Yes, we differ because I am correct and you are not. This is because you've always had a nasty habit of ignoring anything you find inconvenient.
I like things in context and I don't take my Bible study with militant atheists, thank you very much.

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The Dude wrote:
It is not an argument AGAINST slavery, since it merely replaces one form of slavery with another.
That is the argument against slavery; it replaces real slavery, human bondage, with worship of God. I prefer religion to actual slavery; this is where we differ.

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#6029 Mar 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Exodus is about the power from gawd on the mountain, given through a burning bush to Moses and his army to deliver all insane people from one master ...to another.
Deliver people from slavery, human bondage, the evil of man believing he owns his fellow man to ethical monotheism. I choose ethical monotheism over slavery any day. If you have a better argument against slavery, let's hear it.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
They lied their way across time, and ended up defeated by Iron Chariots.
What kind of myth is this? Not anything I want to hear more of.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
Now they beg for a temple to conjure demons and sacrifice flesh to a abomination , the terrible god of war. YHWH
Maybe in A.M.'s temple, but not in mine. We don't even spell God the same. I'd rather hear about religion from somebody who loves religion, not fundamental secularists and radical atheists.

Thanks anyways, good luck, you'll need it if you don't learn to understand God's words.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Patagonia

#6030 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>How do you get that? I don't read biblical support for slavery, I read an entire book devoted to emancipation. We are all equal before God and theft is wrong under biblical morality. Slavery is the theft of life, it is explicitly banned in the Bible, labeled a sin.
There are numerous places in the old testament where God hands down laws telling people how to treat and handle slaves. This is complicit approval.

In the New Testament Jesus talks to a slave and tells him to do a good job for his master. Again complicit approval of slavery.

This slavery problem hints very strongly that the Bible is not inspired by a God, let alone a loving God.

The fact that slavery had been around for ages already means that the human writers were used to it and didn't think anything was wrong wit it.

A REAL LOVING GOD would not approve of human slavery. And the fact that nothing in the Bible disapproves of slavery is testimony to its falsehood.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#6031 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Deliver people from slavery, human bondage, the evil of man believing he owns his fellow man to ethical monotheism. I choose ethical monotheism over slavery any day. If you have a better argument against slavery, let's hear it.
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<quoted text>What kind of myth is this? Not anything I want to hear more of.
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<quoted text>Maybe in A.M.'s temple, but not in mine. We don't even spell God the same. I'd rather hear about religion from somebody who loves religion, not fundamental secularists and radical atheists.
Thanks anyways, good luck, you'll need it if you don't learn to understand God's words.
I suppose you worship some fantasy and not the god of your bible. Because you are describing nothing that is in it.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#6032 Mar 28, 2013
"The Lord is a man of war; Yahweh is his name." – Exodus 15.3.

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#6033 Mar 28, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
There are numerous places in the old testament where God hands down laws telling people how to treat and handle slaves. This is complicit approval.
Is telling someone not to kill a slave, approval of slavery? I'm not sure t.w.o.m. is right, can he cite?

The Koran might explicitly approve of slavery, but not the Old Testament or the New Testament.

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thewordofme wrote:
In the New Testament Jesus talks to a slave and tells him to do a good job for his master. Again complicit approval of slavery.
Can telling someone to do the best they can, really approval of slavery? Maybe its just explicit approval of doing a good job and slavery is a metaphor, you think?

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thewordofme wrote:
This slavery problem hints very strongly that the Bible is not inspired by a God, let alone a loving God.
The fact that slavery had been around for ages already means that the human writers were used to it and didn't think anything was wrong wit it.
Maybe your bible. Mine has ancient arguments against slavery, its theft of another's labor; that's against biblical commandment. I've never seen a biblical commandment for slavery. How about the entire book of Exodus, emancipation from slavery. Don't you like that anti-slavery story?

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thewordofme wrote:
A REAL LOVING GOD would not approve of human slavery. And the fact that nothing in the Bible disapproves of slavery is testimony to its falsehood.
My God doesn't approve of slavery. My bible forbids slavery, I don't know about yours.

If your bible doesn't forbid slavery, I don't want to know about yours.

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Since: Dec 08

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#6034 Mar 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
I suppose you worship some fantasy and not the god of your bible. Because you are describing nothing that is in it.
I'm describing everything that's in it, there is no biblical justification for slavery. That's why the American Emancipation movement was led by Christian religious leaders. Rabbis fought against slavery too.

I've quoted the bible and referenced bible stories. What do you think the story Exodus means, if not emancipation from slavery?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Patagonia

#6035 Mar 28, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>What scientific evidence could there possibly be that proves the exodus never happened? If you say it's scientifically impossible, that's the definition of a miracle! And what God did the Rabbis serve, an idol?
Hi susanblange,

The whole Exodus story suffers from lack of real evidence. Scientists of the archaeology type have been scouring the Sinai desert for over a hundred years looking for ANY evidence that a million plus Hebrew spent 40 years roaming there.

There is NONE.....not maybe just a little bit, but none whatsoever. A million plus people doing this would leave tremendous evidence behind. The archaeologists found evidence of smaller groups passing thru both before and after the Biblical time, but nothing at all for an Exodus described in the Bible.

Also there is no evidence, at all, that large numbers of Hebrews lived in Egypt either as freemen or slaves. The estimated population of Egypt at the time was 2 to 3 million. Imagine over a million leaving suddenly. There would be evidence that archaeologists find and explain. Nothing

Also to be considered is the 10 plagues that 'God' was supposed to have rained down on the Egyptian land and peoples. Read the story in your Bible again and imagine all of them on these poor people.
At the end they lost their government and soldiers, all their livestock, first born children, death and sorrow reigned the land.

There is no evidence at all that any of this happened in Egypt at any time.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#6036 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>It is if you support slavery; Exodus is a biblical story against slavery.
Actually, it's not even close to that.

First of all, the Jews weren't slaves.
Secondly, there were OTHER people in Egypt who were slaves and they were NOT freed.
Third, the Bible is PRO-slavery. At no point does it say that the Jews shouldn't own slaves. The closest it comes is that you can beat your slave within an inch of his life, but you can't beat someone else's slave.

But more importantly, the Exodus demonstrates that "God" is neither good nor loving. It demonstrates that "God" is not all powerful or all knowing. AND it demonstrates that "God" is not the only deity in this mythology.

HORRIBLE Theology for a religions that claims to be about a monotheistic deity who is loving and capable.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#6037 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Is telling someone not to kill a slave, approval of slavery?
Let's say we pass a law in the US today that says, "you can beat any Christian until they fall down, but after they fall down you can't punch them any more"

Are we "protecting Christians who have fallen down while taking a beating"?

Or are we "telling people it's perfectly okay to beat up Christians to a point".

When the Bible says, "Hey, if you like a girl you should rape her and then she will have to marry you. It will cost you some silver though." IT's saying "RAPE!"

When the Bible says, "Enslave someone, make them do whatever you say, beat them as much as you like, but don't kill them." It's saying "ENSLAVE PEOPLE".

There's no two ways about it.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Patagonia

#6038 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Is telling someone not to kill a slave, approval of slavery? I'm not sure t.w.o.m. is right, can he cite?
The Koran might explicitly approve of slavery, but not the Old Testament or the New Testament.
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<quoted text>Can telling someone to do the best they can, really approval of slavery? Maybe its just explicit approval of doing a good job and slavery is a metaphor, you think?
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<quoted text>Maybe your bible. Mine has ancient arguments against slavery, its theft of another's labor; that's against biblical commandment. I've never seen a biblical commandment for slavery. How about the entire book of Exodus, emancipation from slavery. Don't you like that anti-slavery story?
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<quoted text>My God doesn't approve of slavery. My bible forbids slavery, I don't know about yours.
If your bible doesn't forbid slavery, I don't want to know about yours.
Hi Brian G

You write:
“Is telling someone not to kill a slave, approval of slavery? I'm not sure t.w.o.m. is right, can he cite?”

God hands down an edict that you can beat a slave to within an inch of his life and if the slave survives 2 days….it’s OK

God approves if a slave works well and respects his slaver owner.

Jesus approves if a slave works well and respects his slaver owner.

Don’t you think that God and Jesus should have laid down religious laws to stop slavery dead in it tracks? After all we’re talking about God and Jesus here. ALL of us are his children. A simple few words from either of them would end the practice.

You write:
“Can telling someone to do the best they can, really approval of slavery? Maybe its just explicit approval of doing a good job and slavery is a metaphor, you think?

YES.
A metaphor for what??
Obeying your masters perhaps.
After all religion IS useful in controlling the masses and IS used that way.

You write:
“Maybe your bible. Mine has ancient arguments against slavery, its theft of another's labor; that's against biblical commandment. I've never seen a biblical commandment for slavery. How about the entire book of Exodus, emancipation from slavery. Don't you like that anti-slavery story?”

Accepting slavery and laying down laws is implicit approval.
There was never a large group of enslaved Hebrews in Egypt…the story is a pious fraud.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Patagonia

#6039 Mar 28, 2013
“Historically, religion has been used to justify slavery and abolitionism, gun control and gun freedom, liberty and socialism. The Christian Bible alone contains stories and parables that could be used to support or oppose almost any position (taken out of context, and sometimes, in context).”
http://news.yahoo.com/religion-granddaddy-soc...

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#6040 Mar 29, 2013
I believe Christianity opposes slavery, twordofme and Nuggin don't. This is the difference between their Christianity and mine. It reflects their religious beliefs; I believe the Bible clearly condemns theft and slavery is the theft of a life.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#6041 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I believe Christianity opposes slavery,....
Tell that to the victims of the slave trade in North America.

You are just another silly little godbot who thinks they have actually read and understood the bibull.

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#6042 Mar 29, 2013
Tell that to the Christians who led the a bolitionist movement. Did you know Moses had an interracial marriage?

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#6043 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I believe Christianity opposes slavery, twordofme and Nuggin don't. This is the difference between their Christianity and mine. It reflects their religious beliefs; I believe the Bible clearly condemns theft and slavery is the theft of a life.
The problem is that what you believe the Bible says has NOTHING to do with what the Bible ACTUALLY says.

The Bible DOES NOT SAY: "Slavery is an abomination before the lord. Free all your slaves. Let no man own another."

No, what the Bible says is this: "Slaves, be happy that you are slaves. Masters, don't kill your slaves."

That is not opposing slavery. That's supporting it.

The problem you are having internally is this:

You BELIEVE that the Bible is a morally sound document and that the morality of the Bible is timeless.

However, there REALITY is this: The Bible is a document which must be viewed within the CONTEXT OF HISTORY.

The REASON that the Jews made some things illegal (shellfish) is that _AT THE TIME_ it was dangerous to eat shellfish.

However, today it is not "immoral" or a "sin" to eat shellfish.

The REASON that the Bible condones slavers is that _AT THE TIME_ the entire economy of the area ran off slavery.

However, today it is OBVIOUS that slavery is an immoral practice.

The Bible is WRONG about slavery. Just admit that. Denying that the Bible says what the Bible says just makes you look more dishonest than a regular Christian.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#6044 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Tell that to the Christians who led the a bolitionist movement. Did you know Moses had an interracial marriage?
How is that even possible?

Noah's family were all the same race.

Which begs the question, where did the friggin Egyptians come from and how did the Jews end up living in Egypt if the ENTIRE WORLD was populated ONLY by Jews immediately after the Flood.

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