Aliens and evolution

Jun 19, 2012 Full story: Washington Times 6,101

DENTON, Texas, June 19, 2012 - Aliens are ingrained in our cultural psyche. They abound in books, movies, radio, and a thousand theories about the extra-terrestrial, little green men, UFO sightings, abductions, Area 51, and Roswell.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5376 Jan 9, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>I read it exactly as it was written
Ah, so you're a fundamentalist literalist! Great. Just what the evolution forum needs, another one.
Reason Personified wrote:
seems like you two do quite a bit of this waffling.
If you don't like it you can always leave. Or you can always join in and get yourself up to speed on this thread. Or you can make lame jokes about me and Nuggin just cuz we happen to disagree with one of your pals. Like a mascot. The Bobob-Lah Yin to Buck Crick's Yang.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5377 Jan 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, so you're a fundamentalist literalist! Great. Just what the evolution forum needs, another one.
<quoted text>
If you don't like it you can always leave. Or you can always join in and get yourself up to speed on this thread. Or you can make lame jokes about me and Nuggin just cuz we happen to disagree with one of your pals. Like a mascot. The Bobob-Lah Yin to Buck Crick's Yang.
You post one thing, but it's not what you mean? Yeah, I got that, it is what I've been saying all along. Gotcha, you're waffling.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#5378 Jan 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Except I accept that bacteria are real. Skippy's position is that if there is no evidence for something then it does not exist, period. Pre-microscope there was no evidence of bacteria. Ergo under the Skippy scientific method they did not exist.
Never said that - typical straw man from the dude. I said god isn't real - it's a fact, whether or not you accept it as a fact depends on how stupid and ignorant you are of evidence and reason.

It also depends upon how intellectually honest you are.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5379 Jan 9, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Never said that - typical straw man from the dude. I said god isn't real - it's a fact, whether or not you accept it as a fact depends on how stupid and ignorant you are of evidence and reason.
It also depends upon how intellectually honest you are.
Of the two of us, I have no lied. Therefore my intellectual honesty is in question only by the ignorant, and intellectually dishonest people like yourself.

So could you describe again the scientific test you performed that falsified the non-falsifiable? Thanks in advance for not bothering as usual.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#5380 Jan 9, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>You post one thing, but it's not what you mean? Yeah, I got that, it is what I've been saying all along. Gotcha, you're waffling.
If so then what are you here for?(shrug)

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5381 Jan 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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If so then what are you here for?(shrug)
Does it matter why? Better question, what's it to you?

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#5382 Jan 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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If so then what are you here for?(shrug)

You people call us yanks , is it because we like yanking your chains>? Prolly considering ....we yanked on the chains you made for us until they broke free.
Maybe you should call us pokes now. Cowpokes um ....poke poke. lol

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#5383 Jan 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You people call us yanks , is it because we like yanking your chains>? Prolly considering ....we yanked on the chains you made for us until they broke free.
Maybe you should call us pokes now. Cowpokes um ....poke poke. lol
It's short for yankee.

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

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#5384 Jan 9, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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It's short for yankee.

I yankee your chain ...poke poke

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#5385 Jan 10, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
At least you admit that you only attempted and did not succeed, that's a start.
I admit I don't know if extraterrestrial life exists.

K.K. believes in alien life on the basis of faith; not science.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5386 Jan 10, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I admit I don't know if extraterrestrial life exists.
K.K. believes in alien life on the basis of faith; not science.
Now you are ignoring the facts again simply to make up more assertions.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#5387 Jan 10, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I admit I don't know if extraterrestrial life exists.
K.K. believes in alien life on the basis of faith; not science.
Science allows us to determine probabilities.

For example:

It is probable that there are at least 100 unidentified species of beetle living in Brazil right now.

The only "evidence" I have for this is a history of discovering MANY unidentified species of beetles, the fact that Brazil is very large and the fact that there is a lot of places in Brazil in which beetle could exist.

I have ZERO evidence of any unidentified species actual in Brazil right now.

It _could_ be that we have identified every species of beetle already and that if we search every inch of Brazil we'll only ever find species we've already seen.

However, science can tell us that it is much more likely that SOMEWHERE in Brazil there are at least 100 unidentified species.

That's not faith, that's an educated prediction based on the facts that we have and the history of discovery.

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Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#5388 Jan 10, 2013
We have a vast body of knowledge about Brazilian beetles but no knowledge of any extraterrestrial life. There's a big difference; assuming the existence of alien life is a leap of faith.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#5389 Jan 10, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
We have a vast body of knowledge about Brazilian beetles but no knowledge of any extraterrestrial life. There's a big difference; assuming the existence of alien life is a leap of faith.
Nope. It's called probabilities.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#5390 Jan 10, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
We have a vast body of knowledge about Brazilian beetles but no knowledge of any extraterrestrial life. There's a big difference; assuming the existence of alien life is a leap of faith.
Or put another way:

We have zero knowledge of any unknown Brazilian beetles. We do have vast knowledge of different ways in which life can survive in extreme environments (cold seeps, black smokers, deep mines).

There's even bacteria using radiation as an energy source.

It's not an assumption to say: Given the evidence we have, it's probable that alien life exists somewhere else in the Universe.

Just like it's not an assumption to say: Given the evidence we have, it's probable that an unknown species of beetle exists in Brazil.

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#5391 Jan 10, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
We have a vast body of knowledge about Brazilian beetles but no knowledge of any extraterrestrial life. There's a big difference; assuming the existence of alien life is a leap of faith.

Assuming is a disingenuous term to use for predictability.
It in itself is a question not a statement. We already know the odds that life will develop on a planet in a galaxy is 100%.
The odds even only 1 planet will develop life in a galaxy of 400 billion stars with possibly 1600-3600 billion planets per galaxy.
Or three trillion six hundred thousand billion.
There are an estimated 125 billion galaxies.
Now

3,600,000,000,000 x 125,000,000,000 = possible places life could have arisen.
or about 9^35th
900,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000.

That's a few chances life could be out there wouldn't you say?

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#5392 Jan 10, 2013
Let's don't count moons . lol
But they add to the possibility too.
But if the odds are 100& that 1 planet in a galaxy of 200-400 billion stars will produce life.

Then the prediction is there are 125 billion
planets with life on them. This is the lowest estimate.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#5393 Jan 11, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
Or put another way: We have zero knowledge of any unknown Brazilian beetles.
I disagree, we know how many species of Brazilian beetles were discovered last year so we have knowledge of Brazilian beetles that were unknown as of 2011, and if we know how many species were discovered in 2011 then we have knowledge of unknown Brazilian beetles as of 2010. This body of knowledge extends back for hundreds of years.

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Nuggin wrote:
We do have vast knowledge of different ways in which life can survive in extreme environments (cold seeps, black smokers, deep mines).
But no knowledge of life beyond Earth.

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Nuggin wrote:
There's even bacteria using radiation as an energy source.
Plants use light radiation for photosynthesis.

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Nuggin wrote:
It's not an assumption to say: Given the evidence we have, it's probable that alien life exists somewhere else in the Universe.
That assumption is based on faith; not experience, not science. You can't pin down the probability so it's pseudoscience.

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Nuggin wrote:
Just like it's not an assumption to say: Given the evidence we have, it's probable that an unknown species of beetle exists in Brazil.
No, we know how many species are discovered each year so statistically we can determine how many unknown species exist based on past experience.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#5394 Jan 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Assuming is a disingenuous term to use for predictability. It in itself is a question not a statement.

We already know the odds that life will develop on a planet in a galaxy is 100%.
That's untrue; we don't know if life will develop on any planet other than Earth. We have no knowledge if life will develop in any galaxy other than the Milky Way.

We would have to know of life in another galaxy to claim, "the odds that life will develop on a planet in a galaxy is 100%."

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Aura Mytha wrote:
The odds even only 1 planet will develop life in a galaxy of 400 billion stars with possibly 1600-3600 billion planets per galaxy.
Or three trillion six hundred thousand billion.
There are an estimated 125 billion galaxies.
Now
3,600,000,000,000 x 125,000,000,000 = possible places life could have arisen.
or about 9^35th
900,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000.
That's a few chances life could be out there wouldn't you say?
That's just compounding error after error.

Belief in extraterrestrial life is based entirely on faith without any scientific evidence.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#5395 Jan 11, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's untrue; we don't know if life will develop on any planet other than Earth. We have no knowledge if life will develop in any galaxy other than the Milky Way.
We would have to know of life in another galaxy to claim, "the odds that life will develop on a planet in a galaxy is 100%."
Reading comprehension! He was 100% correct as there is life on THIS planet in this galaxy.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's just compounding error after error.
Belief in extraterrestrial life is based entirely on faith without any scientific evidence.
No. It's based on evidence and probability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

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