Aliens and evolution

[THE BAPTIST]

THE BAPTIST wrote:

<quoted text>I understand quite well what you mean.Scientific theory is just an educated guess.While a fact is certain.

I am not coming at you with a religious view.Just because i use the screen name the baptist,does not mean that at all.You are just inferring too much,by using a name i use on this forum.That shows that you are judgemental.I amk using logic,you dummy!

[The Dude]

Double Fine wrote:

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Punctuation, please.

You think that's his first and foremost problem???

[The Dude]

-Skeptic- wrote:

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Please don't sh*t in our lovely forum.

Yeah, SKIPPY NEEDS ROOM!

[The Dude]

THE BAPTIST wrote:

<quoted text>I understand quite well what you mean.Scientific theory is just an educated guess.While a fact is certain.

Ah. I see you completely misunderstood his directions and do not even have the basic education in dictionary definitions and how they apply to words in a scientific context, much less understand anything about science to be able to have a conversation about it.

[Hedonist]

THE BAPTIST wrote:

<quoted text>I understand quite well what you mean.Scientific theory is just an educated guess.While a fact is certain.

A "theory" in a whodunit novel is a guess, usually based on flimsy or circumstantial evidence to enhance the plot and keep the reader deeply engrossed.

HOWEVER...

A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment." (National Academy of Sciences)

That biology on this planet changes over time is a well established fact. We call this change over time "biological evolution". We also have a well tested model explaining how these changes in biology occur, and this is called the Theory of Biological Evolution. Therefore the general term "evolution" IS both a theory and a fact, dependent on what you are referring to. This is well covered in basic middle school biology class.

[nanoanomaly]

Catcher1 wrote:

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Leave grammar education to me, DF.

Funny how you only correct the grammar of those with a different belief system than your own. You remind me of the bully who tried to censor this child.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/sama...

[Catcher1]

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>Funny how you only correct the grammar of those with a different belief system than your own. You remind me of the bully who tried to censor this child.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/sama...

I'm a helper.

[Aura Mytha]

THE BAPTIST wrote:

<quoted text>I understand quite well what you mean.Scientific theory is just an educated guess.While a fact is certain.

They don't have no theory's in Gastonia , least no store bought ones huh? Heck yall got to make ya own ones.... shoot grandpa whittled one out a piece of wood once upon a time aye?

[Nuggin]

THE BAPTIST wrote:

<quoted text>I understand quite well what you mean.Scientific theory is just an educated guess.While a fact is certain.

Apparently you don't understand. A scientific theory is not an educated guess.

That's a common theory.

A scientific theory is a model based on observations which successfully explains existing data and successfully predicts future data.

Is "germ theory" a guess? Do you honestly believe that there isn't any evidence to prove that germs are a source of disease?

If these things are "educated guesses" then what's the opposite? You are supporting an "uneducated guess"?

Let me ask you something. Your name is "Baptist". Was your mother a Baptist?

[Double Fine]

Catcher1 wrote:

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Leave grammar education to me, DF.

Hehe

Reg so, mijn vriend

[Double Fine]

The Dude wrote:

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You think that's his first and foremost problem???

Hehehe

Well, methinks he buys into the 'Ancent Aliens' theory ('theory' being used very liberally).

To be fair, methinks it's not impossible. In fact, it will shed a lot of light upon what the ancients meant when they saw 'flying boats in the sky' or 'angels coming from heaven to mate with earth women'.

It also will clarify the apparent boom of knowledge humanity received around 3000 years ago.

All that's nice.

But still, a just a modified version of the 'god-of the-gaps' fallacy, or 'alien-of-the-gaps' fallacy.

I will believe in Alien civilisations landing on earth when:

- We find the body of such an alien
- We find their ship

[Nuggin]

Double Fine wrote:

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Hehehe
Well, methinks he buys into the 'Ancent Aliens' theory ('theory' being used very liberally).
To be fair, methinks it's not impossible. In fact, it will shed a lot of light upon what the ancients meant when they saw 'flying boats in the sky' or 'angels coming from heaven to mate with earth women'.
It also will clarify the apparent boom of knowledge humanity received around 3000 years ago.
All that's nice.
But still, a just a modified version of the 'god-of the-gaps' fallacy, or 'alien-of-the-gaps' fallacy.
I will believe in Alien civilisations landing on earth when:
- We find the body of such an alien
- We find their ship

The "flying boats" were how the mesoamericans who lacked sail technology described viking and chinese ships. Alternately the described them as dragons as well or flying snakes.

There was no "apparent boom of knowledge" 3000 years ago. Coming out of the Ice Age humanity Europe/Asia was able to transition into horticulture and agriculture. Since these two landmasses are horizontally oriented as opposed to Africa and the Americas, technology was exchangeable.

The same plants and animals grew and lived in France as they did in Russia. That's not true for South Africa vs Central Africa for example. Or Maine vs Florida.

With a large group of people able to exchange similar technologies, advancement was more rapid in EurAsia than other places, but it wasn't like we went from having nothing to flying planes.

The "boom" in technology consists of pottery, a very primitive plow, some simple textiles, bronze working, etc.

If we saw a jump from stone age straight to information age, then sure - Aliens.

You don't need an alien to go from "hey, I like hitting things with this rock" to "a rock tied to a stick hits harder".

[Double Fine]

Nuggin wrote:

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The "flying boats" were how the mesoamericans who lacked sail technology described viking and chinese ships. Alternately the described them as dragons as well or flying snakes.
There was no "apparent boom of knowledge" 3000 years ago. Coming out of the Ice Age humanity Europe/Asia was able to transition into horticulture and agriculture. Since these two landmasses are horizontally oriented as opposed to Africa and the Americas, technology was exchangeable.
The same plants and animals grew and lived in France as they did in Russia. That's not true for South Africa vs Central Africa for example. Or Maine vs Florida.
With a large group of people able to exchange similar technologies, advancement was more rapid in EurAsia than other places, but it wasn't like we went from having nothing to flying planes.
The "boom" in technology consists of pottery, a very primitive plow, some simple textiles, bronze working, etc.
If we saw a jump from stone age straight to information age, then sure - Aliens.
You don't need an alien to go from "hey, I like hitting things with this rock" to "a rock tied to a stick hits harder".

Exactly.

The jump in understanding was far too small to assume alien intervention.

The biggest clue would have been something like this: Ape man dicovers fire today, ape man builds skyscraper tomorrow.

I am not unwilling to consider it, but thus far, all the followers of the Ancient Aliens Theory have been only able to put forth some very wild claims. An egyptian Pharoah with a funny face does not prove an alien.

[The Dude]

Double Fine wrote:

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Exactly.
The jump in understanding was far too small to assume alien intervention.
The biggest clue would have been something like this: Ape man dicovers fire today, ape man builds skyscraper tomorrow.
I am not unwilling to consider it, but thus far, all the followers of the Ancient Aliens Theory have been only able to put forth some very wild claims. An egyptian Pharoah with a funny face does not prove an alien.

Yeah, but I liked teh movie.

[MikeF]

The Dude wrote:

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Yeah, but I liked teh movie.

Just stay the hell away from Europa.

[macumazahn]

MikeF wrote:

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Just stay the hell away from Europa.

"All these worlds are yours..."

[Double Fine]

MikeF wrote:

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Just stay the hell away from Europa.

Well, there *may* be an advanced civilisation living underneath its crust...

[truth]

-Skeptic- wrote:

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I think the no brain part comes in when people think that they can actually contact such things.

why is it so hard to believe in life in the universe when we are here.you must be pretty stupid to think we could be the only ones out there

[macumazahn]

Double Fine wrote:

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Well, there *may* be an advanced civilisation living underneath its crust...

And ours - Silurians, anyone?

[-Skeptic-]

truth wrote:

<quoted text>why is it so hard to believe in life in the universe when we are here.you must be pretty stupid to think we could be the only ones out there

The only stupid people are those that make assumptions and present no evidence and then say "but it's obvious".

Like 100% of agnostics, theists, and ignorant liars like Nuggin & The Dude.