Allah vs atheism: 'Leaving Islam was the hardest thing I've done'

Jan 18, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Independent

A growing number of Muslims are speaking out about losing their faith, but it can mean being shunned by their families, or even threatened with death.

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“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Nothing creates... Nothing

#85 Jan 24, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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How do you know this? How much "nothingness" have you studied, in order to narrow down its properties? This isn't an assertion that anyone can stand behind, without knowing what truly happens in the presence of "nothing". Maybe universes springing into existence is exactly what MUST happen when "nothing" exists. Until we know, we cannot claim that we know.
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A person who is an atheist is merely one who does not have an active, standing belief in any gods. A person who is not a theist, in other words. This does not mean that the atheist will insist that they know that there are no gods. Most atheists, like myself, will admit that there just might be gods! But, without good evidence to convince us of one of these god-claims, we cannot choose one as "believed in". Without solid evidence, we remain unconvinced, and therefore without a god.
There are some atheists, of course, who DO insist that they know that there are no gods. I'd have to agree with you, this claim is fairly stupid. It is arrogant and untenable. No one knows that there AREN'T gods anymore than anyone knows that there ARE any. This simply isn't knowledge that humans possess.
Could there be gods? Sure, I suppose. But how likely is that? EVERY discovery humans have ever made, every phenomenon we've ever investigated, has turned out to have naturalistic causes and processes. Why should the universe itself be any different? Why should THAT be predicated on some kind of magic, while nothing else is?
And what good does speculating do? Whatever the true mysteries of the universe turn out to be, it's not likely that we'll simply STUMBLE onto them through philosophy. They're bound to be stranger and more arcane than we can possibly imagine. But they aren't likely to involve a superbeing who created ten trillion cubic light years of empty space, all for the benefit of one species on one planet, who have been given strict rules about their genitals, and who will be set on fire forever if they are disobedient or dismissive of the supernatural.
For my part, atheism involves opposing religious over-reach into society, and I don't think that's "stupid" at all. Everyone should have the freedom to believe whatever they want, but they go too far when they ask the government to advertise it for them, or public schools to teach it as fact, or when hospitals or businesses are permitted to discriminate against non-adherents. No one needs all that in order to hold a religious belief.
But, people should be more critical in their analysis of the claims they hear, especially supernatural ones. They just don't stand up.
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Thinking

UK

#86 Jan 24, 2014
Not everyone is as poor a reader as you.
Carchar king wrote:
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One reply to you.
Make your comment shorter.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#87 Jan 24, 2014
Onelawforall wrote:
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Instead of looking at the Bible as complete in its adoration of the same god. I look at the bible as a combination of prophets with different gods. The god of Jesus, Muhammad and Moses are different gods though I grant that the Islamic god & the Judaic god have similarities. I judge men or prophets individually not collectively.
You are right I am not a christian as I do not believe Jesus was born of a virgin or was the son of god but I do like his teachings however impratical they are. I also admire the teachings of Buddhism and daoism and shakespeare but regard none of them as prophets of god.
"Instead of looking at the Bible as complete in its adoration of the same god. I look at the bible as a combination of prophets with different gods." Ok what of the First Commandment Exodus 20:1-3 "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me." This isn't the sort of thing a book made by many gods would have, don't think the others would have appreciated their community project being hijacked by one person. Also for 2,000 years the people who followed the bible stated because of the bible that there is only one god, seeing that we have pretty much the book they did how did you reach a different conclusion and what did the people before us miss?

"The god of Jesus, Muhammad and Moses are different gods though I grant that the Islamic god & the Judaic god have similarities. I judge men or prophets individually not collectively." Different how, different properties or different people?

"You are right I am not a christian as I do not believe Jesus was born of a virgin or was the son of god" Well that issue is now over.

"but I do like his teachings however impratical they are. I also admire the teachings of Buddhism and daoism and shakespeare but regard none of them as prophets of god." I have some bad news you can't separate Jesus from the religion. His anti fat cat, pro poor and pro peace teachings were not the result of caring for the world it was the result of his lack of care. This was best put by him when he said (Matthew 6:34) "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." By "things will resolve themselves" he meant "rejoyce the world shall soon be at an end and you will be want of nothing in heaven", I'm sorry that is what he said (Matthew 16:28) "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." The similarities between Jesus's words and the beliefs of Islamic suicide bombers should be clear. That being said Jesus's care for nothing mind set had less virgin whoring...

I'm not familiar with daoism and I don't really care about it until someone is dumb enough to try and ruin the worlds day, so for this other religious are higher on my hit list as I have more than enough things to clean as it is. Buddhism I know has a similar non separation issue like that of Christ and Christianity you can't separate the reasoning from the moral value, that being said Buddha wasn't a doomsdayer and unlike the pope doesn't claim to have the infallible for a wing man so I can see how someone can get something out of Buddhism.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#88 Jan 24, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Why? It was BS the first time you posted it, and posting it over and over in the hopes of changing that is the very definition of insanity.
Seeing as you never bothered to respond to my original in full yet alone my responses to you, you don't have the right to say. Case in point the post you are responding to where I explain in detail why I think ignoring the old testament or calling it a noble experiment puts you in a unsolvable religion ending problem. In response you don't even try to show why it's the same as everything else I posted or to point to where you already dealt with it, and thing is you haven't dealt with it before and any postings are because of the lack of a response.

You don't even answer requests for clarification, so don't quote Einstein to me I am at least trying, even when I'm not nice, even when I know the guy I'm talking to is a piece of s*** I try to make an understandable argument. You haven't and I dare you to point to an argument that you made to me that I have not tried to refute.
Thinking

UK

#89 Jan 24, 2014
I note that Joe DeCaro doesn't think catholics that work with children need to be background checked first.
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
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Seeing as you never bothered to respond to my original in full yet alone my responses to you, you don't have the right to say. Case in point the post you are responding to where I explain in detail why I think ignoring the old testament or calling it a noble experiment puts you in a unsolvable religion ending problem. In response you don't even try to show why it's the same as everything else I posted or to point to where you already dealt with it, and thing is you haven't dealt with it before and any postings are because of the lack of a response.
You don't even answer requests for clarification, so don't quote Einstein to me I am at least trying, even when I'm not nice, even when I know the guy I'm talking to is a piece of s*** I try to make an understandable argument. You haven't and I dare you to point to an argument that you made to me that I have not tried to refute.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#90 Jan 24, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I note that Joe DeCaro doesn't think catholics that work with children need to be background checked first.
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So he's one of the "no true priests bugger children" crowd. Don't worry about me I've dealt with this high class of offensive before, i.e. True Christian Witness and his instance on calling homosexals quree rather than the respectable title of gay.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#91 Jan 24, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
One reply to you.
Make your comment shorter.
Why? These are complex subject matters, that aren't easily represented by a convenient soundbyte. If what I post looks uninteresting to you, then feel free to skip reading it. But there's no obligation here to be brief. Maybe you're too used to Twitter. Not everyone talks in 140-character increments.
Jim

London, UK

#92 Jan 31, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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God is eternal. Because his all powerful.
The universe isn't, therefore needs a creation.
Anyways, I'm not replying to you anymore, i don't listing to idiots who don't have respect to not call me brainwashed.
DEBATE: Don't raise your voice, improve your argument.
Listen to yourself. Affirmations are not arguments.

Lying to yourself isn't going to work on others - there's no such thing as god and idiots that continue to ignore the facts needs to sit down and get an education and some self respect.

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