Allah vs atheism: 'Leaving Islam was the hardest thing I've done'

Jan 18, 2014 Full story: The Independent 88

A growing number of Muslims are speaking out about losing their faith, but it can mean being shunned by their families, or even threatened with death.

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“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#42 Jan 21, 2014
swerty wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.<quoted text>
One reason you're stupid.

THE UNIVERSE CAN'T APPEAR FROM NOTHING!

Also, i'm not here to prove which religion is right, i'm here to prove atheism wrong and argue against atheist stupidity.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#44 Jan 21, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
When you can't tell new from old, you're the one in a hole.
The Old Testament laws and prophets are the teachers who lead to the New Testament in the same way grammar school leads to higher learning, something you apparently never did.
I can tell the old from the new.
I'm arguing that:
The old is as valid as the new and thus the old can't be ignored.
The old contains the things that if followed would cause a dark age.(which is something we seem to agree on or otherwise you won't be trying to distance yourself from it)
If you do ignore the old then you make God fallible and/or the bible useless as humans have ruined it.

P.S. Why is it that despite the fact that you are clearly well versed in working the reply system you seem unable to respond to my full posts? I go into at least some detail you don't seem to go into any.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#45 Jan 21, 2014
Onelawforall wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right Jesus did say " For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.
And Jesus did not change any jots and no tittles but he did change the interpretation of the laws. Why else was he executed but because he did so.
The judaic laws are very similar to Islamic law. Well they would be because that's where Muhammad stole them from.
When the woman was about to be stoned for adultery according to the law. Jesus saved her.
Jesus told his followers to give the thief their coat. The law was to chop the thief's hand off.
Jesus said the other cheek. The law is an eye for an eye.
Jesus said love thy enemies. The law says kill thy enemies.
You have to remember that the pharisees were out to catch Jesus and prosecute him. Thus when hid disciples were caught his disciples working on the sabbath and saccused him of blasphemy he said " "The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath."
Jesus brought a completely new interpretation to judaic law and that was why he was execute.
God is not infallible because god is an invention by those in power to maintain power by suppressing people and Jesus never called himself the son of god (except in John). Jesus called himself the son of man. Completely different.
"And Jesus did not change any jots and no tittles but he did change the interpretation of the laws. Why else was he executed but because he did so." Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death." There is no interpretation needed when it comes to the old testament wanting adulterers killed, in the case of John 8:1-11 he just flat out didn't care about what the old said. The old testament wanted blood, he didn't give despite Matthew 5:17-19. Same goes for the part where you compare what Jesus said and what the old testament said, we have a biblical contradiction at a fundamental level.

"The judaic laws are very similar to Islamic law. Well they would be because that's where Muhammad stole them from." I think christopher hitchens in god is not great found out the percentage of text from the bible in the Quran, but I can't be sure and I can't remember the percentage. Just thought that may be something you would be interested in finding, I sure if he put it in the book he would have said it elsewhere.

"God is not infallible because god is an invention by those in power to maintain power by suppressing people and Jesus never called himself the son of god (except in John). Jesus called himself the son of man. Completely different." Ok I was under the impression you were a Christian... I have to ask now because I find it hard to keep track of the liberal ideas and it would not surprise me if "God is not infallible" was a line now said in some liberal schools of thought. I'm sorry if you're, not I just saw a version of the standard Christian argument of "Jesus made the old testament invalid" and assumed everything from there.

“Germany”

Since: Apr 13

Wiesbaden

#46 Jan 21, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
Also, i'm not here to prove which religion is right, i'm here to prove atheism wrong and argue against atheist stupidity.
This is the "Islam" forum, not the "Atheist" forum. Sorry.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#47 Jan 21, 2014
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen0... . your imaginary friend in the sky, only ever talked to the inbred in the desert,Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT).
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
The next time you decide to do a cut & paste on Topix to compensate for your lack of proficiency in English, be sure to add quotes and reference the text, otherwise you're a plagiarist.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#48 Jan 21, 2014
am stupid you best talk to that man in the sky
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
One reason you're stupid.
THE UNIVERSE CAN'T APPEAR FROM NOTHING!
Also, i'm not here to prove which religion is right, i'm here to prove atheism wrong and argue against atheist stupidity.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#49 Jan 21, 2014
So the Bible says "Thou shalt not lie"
You know, just after that bit where an invisible spirit creates the world in 6 days, Noah builds his ark to save the animals from the flood, a virgin gives birth to the son of God, and Jesus is immortal and returns from the dead. You know.. Because truth is important in religion.
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
One reason you're stupid.
THE UNIVERSE CAN'T APPEAR FROM NOTHING!
Also, i'm not here to prove which religion is right, i'm here to prove atheism wrong and argue against atheist stupidity.

“Bullsh*% Detector Enabled”

Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#50 Jan 21, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
That's right! Muslims are leaving the Death Cult of Islam in droves. Why? Because they finally realized that Islam really is a lie. Good for them! I hope they find Jesus Christ. But, that's up to them and Jesus. But, as a Christian, I will still love them regardless, as opposed to Islam, which instructs Muslims to murder apostates.

ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT!
How long have you been a fkn idiot?

Since: Dec 06

One of Paris' nicest districts

#51 Jan 21, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
One reason you're stupid.
THE UNIVERSE CAN'T APPEAR FROM NOTHING!
Why not ?
You can make +4 and -4 from zero

Since: Dec 06

One of Paris' nicest districts

#52 Jan 21, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
Also, i'm not here to prove which religion is right, i'm here to prove atheism wrong and argue against atheist stupidity.
You definitvely cannot.
Had you learn some logic, you would know that believers and unbelievers do reason in different logical systems based on postulates which cannot be demonstrated.
The only thing that you can demonstrate here is that you are very ignorant.

Since: Dec 13

Bad Vilbel, Germany

#53 Jan 21, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
That's right! Muslims are leaving the Death Cult of Islam in droves. Why? Because they finally realized that Islam really is a lie. Good for them! I hope they find Jesus Christ. But, that's up to them and Jesus. But, as a Christian, I will still love them regardless, as opposed to Islam, which instructs Muslims to murder apostates.
ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT!
Well, I guess you lost your chance to get the best of two religions because, Muslims know that you donít need to give up Jesus when you are a Muslim, in addition you will be on the safe side at the day of judgment!
All respect to God's messengers, those we heard about and also the not so known.
You might find this link informative:
http://youtu.be/fSXGZE_wxXM
uh no

Pembroke, NC

#54 Jan 21, 2014
so according to the muslims i should be beheaded for listning to music and according to christians i am going to suffer for eternity for masterbation? i really question these people...
Ali

Watford, UK

#55 Jan 21, 2014
I left Islam cause nothing in Islam looked logical to me. There are so many contradiction. Just believe in God and help others. Humanity is greatest religion in the universe.
Frank

Keswick, Canada

#56 Jan 21, 2014
Marie-Luise_J wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the "Islam" forum, not the "Atheist" forum. Sorry.
Muslims here know well George Bernard shaw was a core atheist. Shaw condemned every religion including Koran.It is just like Christiansand Hindus picking up from Ali Sina's site and posting here about Islam.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#57 Jan 21, 2014
Prove it.

So believing any old shite is better than nothing?

Well I can't prove you don't ***k dik diks.
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
THE UNIVERSE CAN'T APPEAR FROM NOTHING!
Also, i'm not here to prove which religion is right, i'm here to prove atheism wrong and argue against atheist stupidity.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#58 Jan 22, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Quote your sources.
<quoted text>
The Bible.
Ever hear of it?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#59 Jan 22, 2014
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
I can tell the old from the new.
I'm arguing that:
The old is as valid as the new and thus the old can't be ignored.
The old contains the things that if followed would cause a dark age ...
But the old led to the enlightenment of the new regardless, and just because you can't ignore history doesn't mean that the New Testament hasn't superseded the old covenant as God said it would (Jeremiah 31:31).

“Bullsh*% Detector Enabled”

Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#60 Jan 22, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible.
Ever hear of it?
Who was the Bible written by?
Onelawforall

London, UK

#61 Jan 22, 2014
Marie-Luise_J wrote:
<quoted text>
The Spanish Inquisition was looking for and killing heretics just like Islam does today.
Ah the good old days. Any one who approves of fascism should vote Islam.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#62 Jan 22, 2014
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
"And Jesus did not change any jots and no tittles but he did change the interpretation of the laws. Why else was he executed but because he did so." Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death." There is no interpretation needed when it comes to the old testament wanting adulterers killed, in the case of John 8:1-11 he just flat out didn't care about what the old said. The old testament wanted blood, he didn't give despite Matthew 5:17-19. Same goes for the part where you compare what Jesus said and what the old testament said, we have a biblical contradiction at a fundamental level.
"The judaic laws are very similar to Islamic law. Well they would be because that's where Muhammad stole them from." I think christopher hitchens in god is not great found out the percentage of text from the bible in the Quran, but I can't be sure and I can't remember the percentage. Just thought that may be something you would be interested in finding, I sure if he put it in the book he would have said it elsewhere.
"God is not infallible because god is an invention by those in power to maintain power by suppressing people and Jesus never called himself the son of god (except in John). Jesus called himself the son of man. Completely different." Ok I was under the impression you were a Christian... I have to ask now because I find it hard to keep track of the liberal ideas and it would not surprise me if "God is not infallible" was a line now said in some liberal schools of thought. I'm sorry if you're, not I just saw a version of the standard Christian argument of "Jesus made the old testament invalid" and assumed everything from there.
Instead of looking at the Bible as complete in its adoration of the same god. I look at the bible as a combination of prophets with different gods. The god of Jesus, Muhammad and Moses are different gods though I grant that the Islamic god & the Judaic god have similarities. I judge men or prophets individually not collectively.
You are right I am not a christian as I do not believe Jesus was born of a virgin or was the son of god but I do like his teachings however impratical they are. I also admire the teachings of Buddhism and daoism and shakespeare but regard none of them as prophets of god.

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