Allah vs atheism: 'Leaving Islam was the hardest thing I've done'

There are 88 comments on the The Independent story from Jan 18, 2014, titled Allah vs atheism: 'Leaving Islam was the hardest thing I've done'. In it, The Independent reports that:

A growing number of Muslims are speaking out about losing their faith, but it can mean being shunned by their families, or even threatened with death.

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#2 Jan 18, 2014
That's right! Muslims are leaving the Death Cult of Islam in droves. Why? Because they finally realized that Islam really is a lie. Good for them! I hope they find Jesus Christ. But, that's up to them and Jesus. But, as a Christian, I will still love them regardless, as opposed to Islam, which instructs Muslims to murder apostates.

ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT!

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#3 Jan 18, 2014
Religious books are too old. They need to be updated so people can believe again.

“Tell it as it is.”

Since: Jun 12

Australia

#4 Jan 18, 2014
just a guy i knew wrote:
Religious books are too old. They need to be updated so people can believe again.
If something were from an omnipotent, omniscient "God" there would be no need to update.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#5 Jan 19, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
That's right! Muslims are leaving the Death Cult of Islam in droves. Why? Because they finally realized that Islam really is a lie. Good for them! I hope they find Jesus Christ. But, that's up to them and Jesus. But, as a Christian, I will still love them regardless, as opposed to Islam, which instructs Muslims to murder apostates.
ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT!
Christianity and Judaism is a death cult as well.
God orders genocide
1 Samuel 15:3-4
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
God didn't just order the death of those who had gave the orders to attack the Jews, God didn't just order the death of the families of the men who gave the orders to attack the Jews. No God ordered everything to be killed even animals!

God orders the killing of unbelievers
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."

Don't say "it's out of context!" without putting it into context as so many do. Don't say "the new testament over rules this" because it doesn't, or at least not without raining the idea that God is infallible and/or the bible is a reliable way to know God's wishes.

This is just the start the case can be made that any group that claims to gives out higher, spiritual knowledge will in time give out unquestionable knowledge due to it's transcendent properties. Thus giving the priests complete control to say and kill who ever they want...

Every religion in name and spirit is or becoming a death cult.

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#6 Jan 19, 2014
>Some scholars point out that it is against the teachings of Islam to force anyone to stay within the faith.<

The rest of 1,5 billion will try tehri best to kill apostates.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#7 Jan 19, 2014
Xcaliber wrote:
That's right! Muslims are leaving the Death Cult of Islam in droves. Why? Because they finally realized that Islam really is a lie. Good for them! I hope they find Jesus Christ. But, that's up to them and Jesus. But, as a Christian, I will still love them regardless, as opposed to Islam, which instructs Muslims to murder apostates.
ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT!
If only it were true. But islam won't disappear, I'm just not as optimistic as you.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#8 Jan 19, 2014
Giving this a bump as I did not see it and entered my own.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#9 Jan 19, 2014
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
Every religion in name and spirit is or becoming a death cult.
The difference is that jesus preached against death cults. Muhammad proposed them

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#10 Jan 19, 2014
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
Christianity and Judaism is a death cult as well.
God orders genocide
1 Samuel 15:3-4 ... Don't say "it's out of context!" ...
Talk about context -- you're in the wrong Testament to condemn Christianity.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#11 Jan 19, 2014
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
Talk about context -- you're in the wrong Testament to condemn Christianity.
Wrong book? But the right god? Allah/Yahweh/Jehovah is one and the same.

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#12 Jan 19, 2014
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
Christianity and Judaism is a death cult as well.
Christianity, as in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is based on the teachings of the New Testament only.

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#13 Jan 19, 2014
Old Pom wrote:
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If something were from an omnipotent, omniscient "God" there would be no need to update.
If "God" existed Middle East should have been paradise on earth instead of a sh!thole.

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#14 Jan 19, 2014
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian


10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
Christianity, as in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is based on the teachings of the New Testament only.

“Germany”

Since: Apr 13

Wiesbaden

#15 Jan 20, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong book? But the right god? Allah/Yahweh/Jehovah is one and the same.
Christians have nothing to do with Mohammed's sock puppet Allah!

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#16 Jan 20, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong book? But the right god? Allah/Yahweh/Jehovah is one and the same.
You haven't a clue about God when you can't tell Christ from Mohammad.

“... truth will out.”

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#17 Jan 20, 2014
swerty wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
... Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!...
Yet another Biblical expert who can't tell Christian New Testament scripture from the Hebrew Old Testament.

And in English, "first born" doesn't mean new born, e.g., a baby, and even in English grammar, a Triune God is still singular when it doesn't have an "s".

Since: Dec 06

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#18 Jan 20, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
Wrong book? But the right god? Allah/Yahweh/Jehovah is one and the same.
Sure not. A God to be prayed standing up as for protestants, or kneeling down for catholic,s or bowed down as for muslims reveals very different concepts of God, which go from familiar and fatherly to almighty and implacable as the desert sun.

“Germany”

Since: Apr 13

Wiesbaden

#19 Jan 20, 2014
Marie-Luise_J wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians have nothing to do with Mohammed's sock puppet Allah!
Malaysia:

"Allah just for Muslims".

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php...

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Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#20 Jan 20, 2014
Not everyone is as dumb as you. But enough are.
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
If only it were true. But islam won't disappear, I'm just not as optimistic as you.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#21 Jan 20, 2014
Why did jesus go so bronze age on that poor fig tree's arse?
swerty wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.<quoted text>

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