Pope resigns: An atheist's reflections

Feb 11, 2013 Full story: Examiner.com 326

On Feb. 11, Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger , announced his retirement. He is the first pope in 600 years to resign from the position.

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Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#146 Feb 17, 2013
Jesus was to busy screaming at dig trees and beating workers at the temple with a whip to write anything. Priorities! He wrote something in the dirt while being schooled by a rabbi, probably was a doodle of the rabbi burning in hell. Whatever it was it wasn't important enough to document.

Of course we have no historical proof for Jesus and the only arguments for him is... Well historians say he existed... No you can't see proof!
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a question for you:
If your Jesus was a god, as you claim, then why did he fail to write down the most important instructions himself?
I mean-- the bible's oldest "jesus" story is 60-90 years too late! That's 3 or 4 generations too late (in those days).
You would think, that as a god, he'd have taken a minute to zap-up some magical unbreakable plates with his most important words on them, right?
But no-- not a single word written by Jesus.
Or, for that matter, not >>one<< word written >>during<< his alleged lifetime!
How about that? We have actual letters/writings from Alexander the Great, the various Caesars, any number of Egyptian Kings...
... but not a single thing from during Jesus' alleged lifetime.
Why is that, do you suppose?

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#147 Feb 17, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello Bob,
According to the bible Jesus did write something. Do you remember the circumstances involved?
I'll give it a shot.

He was bending over, thinking about the big tits on that hot adulteress, and scribbling in the sand. Suddenly he realized that he had just drawn a heart in the sand with the words, "I Love Peter". Because of the possible double entendre and knowing he would be getting that big wet kiss from a possible jealous Judas, it was quickly erased before anyone could read it.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#148 Feb 17, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll give it a shot.
He was bending over, thinking about the big tits on that hot adulteress, and scribbling in the sand. Suddenly he realized that he had just drawn a heart in the sand with the words, "I Love Peter". Because of the possible double entendre and knowing he would be getting that big wet kiss from a possible jealous Judas, it was quickly erased before anyone could read it.
Well at least he had the modesty to look away. The brothers were gawking like they were at the Men’s Club before they got saved, lol.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#149 Feb 17, 2013
If Peter was the first Pope as Catholics claim.

He was also married.

Why does the Popes remain unmarried?

The lack of matrimony has left the Catholic Church with a hideous record of child abuse mainly among boys.

Sadly the Catholic Church has been involved in covering up such crimes and local authorities have failed miserably in perusing these crimes.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#150 Feb 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Jesus was to busy screaming at dig trees and beating workers at the temple with a whip to write anything. Priorities! He wrote something in the dirt while being schooled by a rabbi, probably was a doodle of the rabbi burning in hell. Whatever it was it wasn't important enough to document.
Of course we have no historical proof for Jesus and the only arguments for him is... Well historians say he existed... No you can't see proof!
<quoted text>
Since you refuse to leave a reference to your claim. How about if I do that for you.

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[

The term "Christ myth theory" is an umbrella term that applies to a range of arguments that in one way or another question the authenticity of the existence of Jesus or the essential elements of his life as described in the Christian gospels. Among the variants of the Jesus myth theory, the notion that Jesus never existed has little scholarly support, and although some modern scholars adhere to it, they remain a distinct minority; virtually all scholars involved with historical Jesus research believe that his existence can be established

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J ...

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Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#151 Feb 17, 2013
I personally think the last Pope may have been murdered. No proof just a hunch. I think the present Pope doesn’t want to be smothered with a pillow so he is going to resign.

A wise choice on his part.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#152 Feb 17, 2013
Well you would need to show historical proof that Peter even existed before we go anywhere else.

Ya got nothing.

Crazy ole Daffy always good for a laugh.
Eagle12 wrote:
If Peter was the first Pope as Catholics claim.
He was also married.
Why does the Popes remain unmarried?
The lack of matrimony has left the Catholic Church with a hideous record of child abuse mainly among boys.
Sadly the Catholic Church has been involved in covering up such crimes and local authorities have failed miserably in perusing these crimes.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#153 Feb 17, 2013
Christian Historians opinions equal proof? Daffy this has been explained to you dozens of times, that is the argument from authority logical fallacy. This merely states an opinion, not fact.

It offers not a shred of proof that Jesus existed. And you know this.

Take me up on the bet Daffy, be a man for once in your miserable life.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you refuse to leave a reference to your claim. How about if I do that for you.
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[
The term "Christ myth theory" is an umbrella term that applies to a range of arguments that in one way or another question the authenticity of the existence of Jesus or the essential elements of his life as described in the Christian gospels. Among the variants of the Jesus myth theory, the notion that Jesus never existed has little scholarly support, and although some modern scholars adhere to it, they remain a distinct minority; virtually all scholars involved with historical Jesus research believe that his existence can be established
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J ...

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Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#154 Feb 17, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
I personally think the last Pope may have been murdered. No proof just a hunch. I think the present Pope doesn’t want to be smothered with a pillow so he is going to resign.
A wise choice on his part.
Regarding the pope who allegedly was murdered (I forget which one) he was a distant cousin to my husband.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#155 Feb 17, 2013
As soon as they progress to rightfully allow gay marriage all the Popes will be married.
Eagle12 wrote:
If Peter was the first Pope as Catholics claim.
He was also married.
Why does the Popes remain unmarried?
The lack of matrimony has left the Catholic Church with a hideous record of child abuse mainly among boys.
Sadly the Catholic Church has been involved in covering up such crimes and local authorities have failed miserably in perusing these crimes.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#156 Feb 17, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello Bob,
According to the bible Jesus did write something. Do you remember the circumstances involved?
He allegedly wrote something in the sand.

That's rather useless for the present day.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#157 Feb 17, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.
And 100% of these "scholars" are Genuine Christians™.

Obviously, these people have an ... agenda.

LMAO!

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#158 Feb 17, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
The word "POPE" does not exist in the Bible.
Matthew 23:9
King James Version (KJV)
9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Yet... you no doubt pay homage to His Popeums. Right?

Or are you one of those fake christians?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#159 Feb 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Jesus was to busy screaming at dig trees and beating workers at the temple with a whip to write anything. Priorities! He wrote something in the dirt while being schooled by a rabbi, probably was a doodle of the rabbi burning in hell. Whatever it was it wasn't important enough to document.
Of course we have no historical proof for Jesus and the only arguments for him is... Well historians say he existed... No you can't see proof!
<quoted text>
More to the point? 100% of the "scholars" arguing for the historical jewsus are ...

... religious of some sort.

Rather tainting their "conclusions".

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#160 Feb 17, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
If Peter was the first Pope as Catholics claim.
He was also married.
Why does the Popes remain unmarried?
The lack of matrimony has left the Catholic Church with a hideous record of child abuse mainly among boys.
Sadly the Catholic Church has been involved in covering up such crimes and local authorities have failed miserably in perusing these crimes.
Well, in this, we are both curious as well.

And obviously, I presumed you were Catholic--

-- and I most humbly apologize for painting you with the same brush that the pedophile-priests (catholics) use.

Seriously, no sarcasm intended here.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#161 Feb 17, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.
100% of whom are also theologians of one stripe or another.

Or at the very least, deeply religious.

As such, their "conclusions" are dubious at best.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#162 Feb 17, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
I personally think the last Pope may have been murdered. No proof just a hunch. I think the present Pope doesn’t want to be smothered with a pillow so he is going to resign.
A wise choice on his part.
Well, historically speaking, popes typically died of unnatural causes, i.e. poison and thelike.

Some were not so lucky as that, and were murdered by more violent means.

There are stretches where murdering of the previous pope was the best way to become pope yourself-- and many popes (and not a few would-be popes) used that very method.

Of course-- there were also times where there were multiple popes at once.

One has to ask: which one was the infallible one? You cannot have all of them being infallible-- so how to determine which one?

Here's a suggestion: take the New Testament literally, and have them each ingest deadly poison, as the bible commands. And the real pope will live while the imposters are justifiably killed.

In fact, I'd say this would be an excellent test of all current popes, bishops & cardinals too....

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#163 Feb 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
As soon as they progress to rightfully allow gay marriage all the Popes will be married.
<quoted text>
Not so fast:

First, they'd have to lower the minimum age to 10 or so ...

... which would be superior to Islam's Muhumud, who married a 6 year old...

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#164 Feb 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Indeed. I was having a discussion about major European cathedrals, and how amazing the architecture was at the time.
I also pointed out how it nearly bankrupted any town/community that tried to build them-- and indeed, many were only 1/2 finished for centuries, before the hegemony of the catholic empire finally stepped up.
The catholic church is all about power and wealth: just look at all the gold lamme that the pope-ums and his favorite butt-buddies, the cardinals all wear.
It is exactly like those late-night TV commercials to try to get you to give money to "starving kids in Africa", when the announcer's obviously overweight and wearing tailored clothing... and could stand to skip a few meals himself. Riiiiight. Less than 10 cents on the dollar gets past the money-making machine.
The same goes for "catholic charities"-- they represent less than 1/10% of the gross income... at a guess. Likely even less.
Boy you are funny,you made me laugh.
The catholic church is the most corrupt out of an of the churches, though the numerous protestant churches are not far behind. They are the only religion to practically own their own country, with the church receiving income not only from the papal states which once comprised a large part of Italy, but they received great income from the tithes they received from what they forced out of the medieval population. But the papal states was not the only countries the church owned. They had hundreds of small principalities throughout Europe ruled by prince bishops and abbots, rulers that milked the people not only with secular taxes. but also with tithes. To add insult to injury, the popes occasionally forced kings and queens to bow to their whims to appeal to their greed and nepotism.
Queen Joanna I of Naples was strangled at the order of mad cardinal killing Pope Urban when she refused to bow to his whim and load up his nephews with great wealth and titles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_I_of_Naples...
Her grandniece and namesake Queen Joanna II was declared deposed b the Pope because she refused him money to pay his army. She escaped the fate of her aunt because of Spanish aid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_II_of_Naple...
Lady Caterina Sforza was raped by Cesare Borgia, son of the notorious Pope Alexander
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterina_Sforza

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#165 Feb 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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However, it must be pointed out, that in Catholicism, the idea that the Jews were "christ killers" was a very popular one, stemming from the middle ages, where church-sanctioned systematic programs of Jew extermination was common.
Indeed, the catholic church during the rise of Nazism was complacent in much of Hitler's theology, and he found a strongly sympathetic ear among much of the catholic hierarchy.
So, whereas I agree that Nazism was political, it was backed by religious dogma that was common among Catholicism at the time, dating back centuries.
Moreover, it wasn't limited to Catholicism either, as many protestant branches regularly taught that Jews were "christ killers" deserving of death.
It is funny that the Jews were blamed for the death of Christ, but not Italians. After all, it was Roman soldiers who hanged him. Oh wait, Rome is in Italy. Rome was the capital of the Catholic church. We see how selective the Christians are when they choose to hate.

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