Pope resigns: An atheist's reflections

Feb 11, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

On Feb. 11, Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger , announced his retirement. He is the first pope in 600 years to resign from the position.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Lie.
Many-many of the popes in the past died of poison and other human-created methods of murder.
For quite a stretch there, the "natural cause" of a pope dying, was poison by the next-in-line.
Here are 6 who practiced the holy tradition of murdering their predecessors:
" http://www.somethingawful.com/d/most-awful/po... ;
Pope Boniface VIII was killed because he dared stand up to the King of France. The king wanted the church to pay their fair share of their taxes. Naturally, the most Christian pope found the idea that the church should pay taxes egregious so he excommunicated the king. The pope declared himself the supreme ruler on earth, with all the kings and princes as his vassals. The king was not having that so he sent his thugs to beat the pope up. The pope died a few days later.
The king was a good christian just like the pope. He had the Knights Templar arrested on false charges so he could seize their great wealth. The king pressured fellow good Christian Clement V to agree to their conviction on faulty charges.http://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Pope_Clement_V
Good Christian Clement and his predecessor as well as his successors sanctioned the English invasion of Scotland and England's cruel rule there(remember Braveheart)
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Ratzinger and Hilter: Both Catholic and Both Nazis!
I think it is important to make clear that religion wasn't the motivation.

There are masses of grounds for criticism of religion,(Zionism, Islamism, child mutilation, superstitious beliefs, ID/Creationism, Bishops in UK House of Lords, religious courts, prejudice against gays and even women, etc, etc) but religion wasn't a cause of Nazism any more than atheism drove communism.

I think Nazism was driven more by racist theories and a political (fascist type of) ideology. Its roots lay in the blame heaped on Germany for the previous world war that ended in an armistice, not (as many Germans perceived it) a defeat; and in the chaos that resulted from the perceived failure of Weimar.
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MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Actually it's more like a famous comment by Mohandas Gandhi:
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.”
- Gandhi
I like this classic ;)

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No matter where you read it,
Or who has said it,
Not even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense."
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<quoted text>I think it is important to make clear that religion wasn't the motivation.
There are masses of grounds for criticism of religion,(Zionism, Islamism, child mutilation, superstitious beliefs, ID/Creationism, Bishops in UK House of Lords, religious courts, prejudice against gays and even women, etc, etc) but religion wasn't a cause of Nazism any more than atheism drove communism.
I think Nazism was driven more by racist theories and a political (fascist type of) ideology. Its roots lay in the blame heaped on Germany for the previous world war that ended in an armistice, not (as many Germans perceived it) a defeat; and in the chaos that resulted from the perceived failure of Weimar.
I agree with you. Some less informed theists love to trot out the likes of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, etc., because some maybe were Atheists. Yet they rarely say that these people committed their atrocities, not in the name of Atheism, but mainly was for socio-economic and political power purposes.

Hitler, Stalin and Atheism

http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/hitler...

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That is true. I remember reading a story about a medieval Italian bishop who when he was dying, refused to be given a christian burial. When he was asked why, he said because he was not a christian. The people then asked him if he was not a christian then why did he become a bishop and he respond by saying that it was because all of the wealth and power that came with the office. Back in the medieval ages, it was forbidden to work on Lent, a stupid rule that naturally led to conflict between people and the church. In fact during the many peasant rebellions that flashed throughout Europe, the church was often targeted because of it's extreme greed and oppression.
Indeed. I was having a discussion about major European cathedrals, and how amazing the architecture was at the time.

I also pointed out how it nearly bankrupted any town/community that tried to build them-- and indeed, many were only 1/2 finished for centuries, before the hegemony of the catholic empire finally stepped up.

The catholic church is all about power and wealth: just look at all the gold lamme that the pope-ums and his favorite butt-buddies, the cardinals all wear.

It is exactly like those late-night TV commercials to try to get you to give money to "starving kids in Africa", when the announcer's obviously overweight and wearing tailored clothing... and could stand to skip a few meals himself. Riiiiight. Less than 10 cents on the dollar gets past the money-making machine.

The same goes for "catholic charities"-- they represent less than 1/10% of the gross income... at a guess. Likely even less.

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3-Because they keep preaching their god at us.
4-Because they continue to encourage hate and ignorance
Agree.

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Pope Boniface VIII was killed because he dared stand up to the King of France. The king wanted the church to pay their fair share of their taxes. Naturally, the most Christian pope found the idea that the church should pay taxes egregious so he excommunicated the king. The pope declared himself the supreme ruler on earth, with all the kings and princes as his vassals. The king was not having that so he sent his thugs to beat the pope up. The pope died a few days later.
The king was a good christian just like the pope. He had the Knights Templar arrested on false charges so he could seize their great wealth. The king pressured fellow good Christian Clement V to agree to their conviction on faulty charges.http://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Pope_Clement_V
Good Christian Clement and his predecessor as well as his successors sanctioned the English invasion of Scotland and England's cruel rule there(remember Braveheart)
Indeed. Money and power.

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<quoted text>I think it is important to make clear that religion wasn't the motivation.
There are masses of grounds for criticism of religion,(Zionism, Islamism, child mutilation, superstitious beliefs, ID/Creationism, Bishops in UK House of Lords, religious courts, prejudice against gays and even women, etc, etc) but religion wasn't a cause of Nazism any more than atheism drove communism.
I think Nazism was driven more by racist theories and a political (fascist type of) ideology. Its roots lay in the blame heaped on Germany for the previous world war that ended in an armistice, not (as many Germans perceived it) a defeat; and in the chaos that resulted from the perceived failure of Weimar.
However, it must be pointed out, that in Catholicism, the idea that the Jews were "christ killers" was a very popular one, stemming from the middle ages, where church-sanctioned systematic programs of Jew extermination was common.

Indeed, the catholic church during the rise of Nazism was complacent in much of Hitler's theology, and he found a strongly sympathetic ear among much of the catholic hierarchy.

So, whereas I agree that Nazism was political, it was backed by religious dogma that was common among Catholicism at the time, dating back centuries.

Moreover, it wasn't limited to Catholicism either, as many protestant branches regularly taught that Jews were "christ killers" deserving of death.

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I agree with you. Some less informed theists love to trot out the likes of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, etc., because some maybe were Atheists. Yet they rarely say that these people committed their atrocities, not in the name of Atheism, but mainly was for socio-economic and political power purposes.
Hitler, Stalin and Atheism
http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/hitler...
I quite agree-- power-hungry individuals are mainly in it for the power, not the ideology.

The ideology is the tool used to placate the masses, and to stir up fervor such that the sheep are more than willing to be fleeced and even to die, to further the power-hungry desires of the leadership.

No religion is exempt from this phenomena either-- the top leadership will, sooner than later, become corrupt, if they remain in power long enough.

Just look at the leadership of the Republican Party even now-- power-mad, corrupt to the core, totally at a disconnect with the needs of the people they allegedly represent.
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Lie.
Many-many of the popes in the past died of poison and other human-created methods of murder.
For quite a stretch there, the "natural cause" of a pope dying, was poison by the next-in-line.
Here are 6 who practiced the holy tradition of murdering their predecessors:
" http://www.somethingawful.com/d/most-awful/po... ;
Truth.
Poison and other man-made means of killing people take the consequences of natural law into effect.
I didn't sau "natural causes", "Bob of Not So Quantum Comprehension".

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Truth.
Poison and other man-made means of killing people take the consequences of natural law into effect.
I didn't sau "natural causes", "Bob of Not So Quantum Comprehension".
Wow.... nice attempt at back-pedaling furiously to try to cover your gaffe.

LOL!

Did you read the link about the 6 most aweful popes? You should-- it's quite an eye-opener.

How about the Nazi-Catholic photos, proving that Genuine Catholics™ were all in favor of Hitler's little pograms?

No?

Cowardly, much?

Yes... I thought so-- all True Believers™ are cowards inside.

All, without a single exception.

They are too afraid to face reality: they are NOT the most significant event in all the universe...

... and they are too afraid to admit: that the Ultimate Creator of the Universe... is NOT their personal wish-machine.

Cowards. All.
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Wow.... nice attempt at back-pedaling furiously to try to cover your gaffe.
LOL!
Did you read the link about the 6 most aweful popes? You should-- it's quite an eye-opener.
How about the Nazi-Catholic photos, proving that Genuine Catholics™ were all in favor of Hitler's little pograms?
No?
Cowardly, much?
Yes... I thought so-- all True Believers™ are cowards inside.
All, without a single exception.
They are too afraid to face reality: they are NOT the most significant event in all the universe...
... and they are too afraid to admit: that the Ultimate Creator of the Universe... is NOT their personal wish-machine.
Cowards. All.
Do you think that telling us that a few Popes weren't model citizens is news or something?

Are you 12 years old or something?

Who here ever said that any person who ever lived besides Christ was without human fault?

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Do you think that telling us that a few Popes weren't model citizens is news or something?
Are you 12 years old or something?
Who here ever said that any person who ever lived besides Christ was without human fault?
You did claim that your pope was descended from Peter, through your magic Jew.

I was simply pointing out you were lying, to have claimed that.

The line of popes has been broken many-many times.

There is zero, nada, NO connection to the mythical Peter character.

None.

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Who here ever said that any person who ever lived besides Christ was without human fault?
Well-- your Jewsus was 100% myth, so he did not exactly live either.

Did he?

LOL!

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Who here ever said that any person who ever lived besides Christ was without human fault?
Here's a question for you:

If your Jesus was a god, as you claim, then why did he fail to write down the most important instructions himself?

I mean-- the bible's oldest "jesus" story is 60-90 years too late! That's 3 or 4 generations too late (in those days).

You would think, that as a god, he'd have taken a minute to zap-up some magical unbreakable plates with his most important words on them, right?

But no-- not a single word written by Jesus.

Or, for that matter, not >>one<< word written >>during<< his alleged lifetime!

How about that? We have actual letters/writings from Alexander the Great, the various Caesars, any number of Egyptian Kings...

... but not a single thing from during Jesus' alleged lifetime.

Why is that, do you suppose?

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"maybe from the 21st century?"

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Here's a question for you:
If your Jesus was a god, as you claim, then why did he fail to write down the most important instructions himself?
I mean-- the bible's oldest "jesus" story is 60-90 years too late! That's 3 or 4 generations too late (in those days).
You would think, that as a god, he'd have taken a minute to zap-up some magical unbreakable plates with his most important words on them, right?
But no-- not a single word written by Jesus.
Or, for that matter, not >>one<< word written >>during<< his alleged lifetime!
How about that? We have actual letters/writings from Alexander the Great, the various Caesars, any number of Egyptian Kings...
... but not a single thing from during Jesus' alleged lifetime.
Why is that, do you suppose?
Hello Bob,

According to the bible Jesus did write something. Do you remember the circumstances involved?

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Well-- your Jewsus was 100% myth, so he did not exactly live either.
Did he?
LOL!
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[

The term "Christ myth theory" is an umbrella term that applies to a range of arguments that in one way or another question the authenticity of the existence of Jesus or the essential elements of his life as described in the Christian gospels. Among the variants of the Jesus myth theory, the notion that Jesus never existed has little scholarly support, and although some modern scholars adhere to it, they remain a distinct minority; virtually all scholars involved with historical Jesus research believe that his existence can be established

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J ...

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The word "POPE" does not exist in the Bible.

Matthew 23:9
King James Version (KJV)

9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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