Pope resigns: An atheist's reflections

Feb 11, 2013 Full story: Examiner.com 326

On Feb. 11, Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger , announced his retirement. He is the first pope in 600 years to resign from the position.

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#66 Feb 15, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Then can we assume the infallibility comes and goes?
Then it's neither innate nor permanent.
Who gives it, and where is it derived from?
I didn't answer your question completely.

Christ conferred His authority to the Apostles.

Their successors are the Popes. We believe that the Church established cannot teach error on matters of faith and morals, thus when the Pope makes a statement ex cathedra on these matters, he cannot err.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#67 Feb 15, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
Pope Allegedly Sought Immunity For Abuse Crimes Just Before Resigning
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/14/pope-...
"We knew something had to be up with the resignation of Pope Benedict. After all, Popes don’t just resign; in fact, this is the first time a Pope has resigned in 600 years. Therefore, the hoopla surrounding this is more than understandable. However, as per usual with the Catholic Church, there seems to be a catch, and, lo and behold, it likely surrounds the infamous abuse scandals that have plagued the church’s image for so long.
It seems that with his resignation announced, the Pope, whose given name is Joseph Ratzinger, has a meeting with the Italian President, Giorgio Napolitano on February 23 to beg for immunity against prosecution for allegations of child sex crimes. Apparently, this hastily arranged meeting, and likely the resignation as well, are the result of a supposed note received by the Vatican from an undisclosed European government that stated that there are plans to issue a warrant for the Pope’s arrest. This letter was allegedly received on February 4, and Ratzinger resigned a week later. Now, there’s no way people can ignore how fishy this is. The first Pope to resign in 600 years does so after panicking about an impending arrest and in the midst of a hastily arranged meeting begging for protection from the Italian government? How they will keep people from connecting the two is beyond me. Chances are, the world will be popping popcorn and steadily watching.
Well, for once, the guy might not get off easy. The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and state calls upon the Italian President to deny help to Ratzinger, and to “not collude in criminality. Let’s just hope that Napolitano does not cave. However, there may be another avenue to make sure the Pope is brought to justice if the Italian President does cave.
It seems that in addition to these alleged attempts by this European government to prosecute, a New York based organization, The Centre for Constitutional Rights, has accused the Pope and his Cardinals of possible crimes against humanity for sheltering pedophile priests. The non-profit legal group has requested an ICC inquiry on behalf of the Survivor’s Network, citing the church’s “long-standing and pervasive system of sexual violence.”
Apparently, the Vatican has no comment. Well, of course it doesn’t. It knows that Ratzinger and his henchmen are guilty, and now they are just scrambling to save face and save his keister from jail. Shame, since that is exactly where he belongs.
The thing is, this institution knows no bounds when it comes to protecting their own, no matter how heinous the crimes. Anyone not living under a rock knows that the Pope and his cronies have abusing children for decades, and likely centuries. The thing is, they are just the biggest example of religion getting people passes. Shameful, but true. All those of us with a sense of justice and conscience can do is hope that one, if not both, of these attempts at legal action is successful."
Yep. I saw that-- and was expecting something like it to surface sooner or later.

It fits-- this dude has an ego the size of Jupiter, so he would not resign unless he had been forced to.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#68 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It means you don't understand the concept of papal infallibility and are asking a dumb question.
The whole concept is just another Genuine Catholic Lie™.

Just like all the others they tell.

There is no such thing as "infallible". Be it your child-raping pope or some other child-raping Genuine Catholic™.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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He's only infallible when making a definitive doctrinal statement ex catehdra on faith and morals.
Been invoked only a handful of times.
He can be wrong picking stocks, he doesn't go 100% from the free throw line, he doesn't win all the games on Price is Right, etc.
See?

Even you agree with me-- it's just more lies piled upon lies on top of falsehoods.

The current pope is a child-raper. As are most likely, the majority of the cardinals he stuffed the Vatican with.

South Park had it quite right: Genuine Catholic Priests™ think that having sex with little kids is their divine right...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I didn't answer your question completely.
Christ conferred His authority to the Apostles.
Their successors are the Popes. We believe that the Church established cannot teach error on matters of faith and morals, thus when the Pope makes a statement ex cathedra on these matters, he cannot err.
Nope. Not even a little: there is no clear and distinct succession between Peter and the current popes.

Many-many times that line was broken by murder, violence and other mayhem as various popes-to-be murdered each other in a frenzy to be crowned the pope-iest.

So not even a little bit factual.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#71 Feb 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Nope. Not even a little: there is no clear and distinct succession between Peter and the current popes.
Many-many times that line was broken by murder, violence and other mayhem as various popes-to-be murdered each other in a frenzy to be crowned the pope-iest.
So not even a little bit factual.
Well, given your expert analysis, case closed.
LOL
You bit on the "ITCCS" story, so firgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of your proclamations.

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Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#72 Feb 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Likely this is correct-- we do know that Ratz was the author-in-chief of "How To Hide Pedophile Priests from the Law", the official Genuine Catholic™ dogma on the process.
Once that came into the light of day, you'd have thunk that catholics the world over, would have risen up and demanded his removal-- preferably by permanent means (as in poison, the Traditional ending of the popes in the past).
The fact that they did not? Makes them complacent in the coverup.
... meh.
What do you think about Father Guido Sarducci elected for pope? I think as his holiness, he can bring some radical modernization to the Vatican......LOL. Can you just imagine what kind of habits he'd have designed for the nuns to run around in????? LOL

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#73 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I didn't answer your question completely.
Christ conferred His authority to the Apostles.
Their successors are the Popes. We believe that the Church established cannot teach error on matters of faith and morals, thus when the Pope makes a statement ex cathedra on these matters, he cannot err.
Thanks for the info.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#74 Feb 15, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Thanks for the info.
NP.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#75 Feb 15, 2013
How did this mythological figure with zero historical proof do that ?
Dan wrote:
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I didn't answer your question completely.
Christ conferred His authority to the Apostles.
Their successors are the Popes. We believe that the Church established cannot teach error on matters of faith and morals, thus when the Pope makes a statement ex cathedra on these matters, he cannot err.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#76 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I didn't answer your question completely.
Christ conferred His authority to the Apostles.
Their successors are the Popes. We believe that the Church established cannot teach error on matters of faith and morals, thus when the Pope makes a statement ex cathedra on these matters, he cannot err.
So does that make you a Shite or a Sunni?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#77 Feb 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, given your expert analysis, case closed.
LOL
You bit on the "ITCCS" story, so firgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of your proclamations.
Here you go: a link, to 6 popes who got to be pope by murdering the previous popes.

This is but a scant few examples, too.

" http://www.somethingawful.com/d/most-awful/po... ;

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#78 Feb 15, 2013
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>What do you think about Father Guido Sarducci elected for pope? I think as his holiness, he can bring some radical modernization to the Vatican......LOL. Can you just imagine what kind of habits he'd have designed for the nuns to run around in????? LOL
Oh, yes.

And I would bet he'd make smoking weed into another sacrament.

:D
Dan

Omaha, NE

#79 Feb 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Here you go: a link, to 6 popes who got to be pope by murdering the previous popes.
This is but a scant few examples, too.
" http://www.somethingawful.com/d/most-awful/po... ;
You are mistaking "infallible" with "impeccable".

Common error.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#80 Feb 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I'm sure there's some of that, too.
You'd think that the Ultimate Spokes-weenie for God?(according to the Genuine Catholic Church™ of course)
You'd think that such a person would be more...
... more something.
This current quitter-pope certainly does not measure up, does he?
If they acknowledge that their pope did anything less than perfectly holy, they will be denying their god, for the pope is his, as you said "spokesweinie", and can do no wrong.

And actually he does exactly measure up to his god. Under scrutiny, the holy books fail, the god fails, and now the pope fails. How could he do any less in an age, where any cover-up is only temporary, and even they are beginning to see it.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#81 Feb 15, 2013
EdSed wrote:
I've not been following this as I don't care who's Pope.
From:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/world/p...
John Paul II asks the person elected not to refuse the papacy, but to submit humbly to divine will: "God who imposes the burden will sustain him with his hand, so that he will be able to bear it.."
Unquote.
I suppose they're all that crazy?
And they will still have a Chief Exorcist?...
http://ihubbub.com/vatican-chief-exorcist-war...
Surely people see through this nonsense? Most RCs I know are fairly reasonable people and often intelligent. For many, there must be some attraction to the tribal nature of religionism. Support for Roman Catholicism (and for Islam or any other sect) is divisive and revolting sectarianism, in my view.
Religion = superstition
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared /spl/hi/world/p...

John Paul II asks the person elected not to refuse the papacy, but to submit humbly to divine will: "God who imposes the burden will sustain him with his hand, so that he will be able to bear it.."
And amazingly this would be the same god who no longer sustains the current pope? LOL!

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#82 Feb 15, 2013
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>What do you think about Father Guido Sarducci elected for pope? I think as his holiness, he can bring some radical modernization to the Vatican......LOL. Can you just imagine what kind of habits he'd have designed for the nuns to run around in????? LOL
That is the perfect solution.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#83 Feb 15, 2013
Siro wrote:
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Did I say I was catholic?
Stop making up crap like you maltheist brethren.
Catholic, Christian and Muslim you apostates have called me,....and all at the same time.
Idiots
Maltheist? As in mal (meaning bad), plus "theist"?

I'm sure glad you weren't inclined to use "malatheist". LOL!

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#84 Feb 15, 2013
Note to self: Damn, I shouldn't have pointed that ^ out. None of the theist would have ever figured it out, because only certain things can fit in those pointy little theist heads.
http://www.shadowmillproductions.com/photogal...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#85 Feb 15, 2013
Infallible murderers?
Dan wrote:
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You are mistaking "infallible" with "impeccable".
Common error.

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