Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Is that necessary?”

Since: Feb 09

Where I was born

#161 Sep 1, 2009
We are truly (and our life spans are) dust in the wind.
Yeah. So? The difference between us is that we realize and accept this and choose to LIVE the one, fleeting life that we have; choose to make the best of it rather than create for ourselves or accept some already created faerie-tale version of a life after we die. Faith-heads aren't happy with the life they have, and so they choose to invent a new one, or live in the delusion that they will get another one. If only, if only they wish sooo hard.
Your life has no hope...you're just going to fade to black at the end.
AH, we have reached the part of the sermon where you cut us and then try to sell us a Band-Aid to stop the blood. This one is always fun.
Science, rationalism, logic... these things say, "continue to seek for an answer until you find it." These things are not afraid to say, "Ya know... I just do not know the answer to that question at the moment, but I'm going to keep searching for it."
Religion, on the other hand... not so much. You godbots are the ones that say, "Can't find another explanation, too lazy to look, oh well, goddidit."
You win the shiny mirror award, though.
I expect a billion dollars... but neither of us will see either of these things come to fruition.
Charlie

Papeete, French Polynesia

#162 Sep 1, 2009
jack13 wrote:
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I do believe when I die, that is the end. I believe I had better live life to the fullest while I can. I believe I should work to insure my kids have a living enviorment to live in. I beleive I am responsable for my actions, not some myhical devil or god. I believe helping my fellow man is the proper conduct for myself as I'm sure no god is going to help. I don't believe hiding in a church praying for things to go well is going to help anyone, except the church to raise monety for a bigger church. Is that clear enough for you, Bubba?
No it isn't. What is your grand, inspirational vision? What is the central idea of your life?
Charlie

Papeete, French Polynesia

#163 Sep 1, 2009
SCIENCE IS THE CRUTCH OF ATHEISM!

“Contented & Happy”

Since: Apr 09

Floyd, VA

#164 Sep 1, 2009
Charlie wrote:
SCIENCE IS THE CRUTCH OF ATHEISM!
Science is not the crutch of Atheism,Science deals with logic and facts not myths,superstitions and fantasies like the religious castes dwells in.
jack13

United States

#165 Sep 1, 2009
Charlie wrote:
The fundamental attitude of atheists is skepticism. That's not necessarily a bad thing unless the skepticism becomes a dogmatic reflex. There's a difference, however, between a skepticism based on ignorance or lack of evidence, and one based on visceral hatred.
Many atheists may feel that they have been duped by religion, and this has wounded their pride, or that religion is trying to dupe them, so their position is defensive. But it is really arrogance that leads man to think that he might know all the answers, whether these derive from religious texts or rational, scientific methods, that sets the stage for the disappointment and anger people may eventually experience when these answers fail.
Religious authorities have certainly been arrogant in thinking that a book or faith or creed might provide all the answers. Scientific authorities have also been arrogant for thinking that a method might, also, provide all of the answers.
A bit of humility from all would go a long way towards healing the wounds.
Maybe one might just have to accept that there will be some things that we may never know, some questions to which we may never have answers.
Come on now. Why do you think atheists hate those who believe in gods? The only thing an atheist is saying is I cannot find anything that tells me there is a god. I do not hate people who believe in gods. I just think they are wasting their time, but that is their right to waste time as they so wish. I have the same right. But when someone comes along and threatens me I am not going to sit back and let him or her walk over me. Also this is an atheist thread. Any christian is here only to attack my belief. i do not go onto a christian form, but if I did and I was attacked, I would know I deserved it. So what have I got to be humble about? As for my trusting science to supply all the answers, I understand science is a bird of many colors. Science is only seeking truth about what is observable. To even suggest that any one scietist is seeking all the answers is stupid and shows a lack of understanding of the scientific method. Science does not take sides. We are talking philosophy here, not science. Science does not look for answers to philosophical questions. As for healing wounds, the only way religion thinks atheists can heal the wounds is by ignoring the fact that no religion is based on anything more than a hope and a dream. For myself, that is one wound christians will have to accecpt for I am not backing away from my lack of faith in any god, devil, angels, etc.

“l'enfer, c'est les autres”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#166 Sep 1, 2009
The Heathen wrote:
Cold? Barren? Hardly. Medicine, technology, these two branches especially are productive in leaps and bounds. All science is, really.. but the two mentioned, we see evidence of every day. HP Has a new computer. No, it’s Mac. Chevrolet has a hybrid car. No, it's Ford. Wait, no, Honda. Treatments, cures and vaccinations are researched and created daily. Hardly the definition of "barren". Cold? If by that you mean "indifferent", then yes, it is. But so is nature.
Thank you for illustrating my previous points so nicely. So, this (above) is what is filling the vacuum in your empty? The grandiose promises and impossible dreams of "science"? Pillm doctors and malpractice lawsuits, people worshipping hospitals as cathedrals? All garbage. Technology? So-called technology is enslaving us and making us dependent on it for meaningless applications. It seperates people instantly into haves and have-nots. connected and not-connected. It seperates and isolates people. Mindless consumerism? Gee, gosh golly a NEW WIDGET! You'd better go get that NEW WIDGET! Empty materialism. Treatments, cures, vaccinations? Feeding the pharmaceutical gods? Looking for magic pills? Who do you worship more, your doctor or your pharmacist? All emptiness, all going nowhere.

I'd feel sorry for you but you know what? I feel sorrier for your son. You've given him no moral grounding or imperatives. Just your situational ethics. Sad.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#167 Sep 1, 2009
Tea bagger wrote:
Are all you Athiests going after Muslims,wiccians,Jews,Buddists ,and harkishnas or just Christians.
It varies with the atheist. I mostly specialize in Christians, but I have one Muslim client right now in another thread. I have friends who are sub-specialists and just focus on only one kind of fundie. We consult them when necessary to exorcise a thread of a Jehovah's Witness (witness this), a Latter Day Saint (Jesus Christ! Do you know what time it is? Could you come back a little latter in the day, ferkrissakes!") or Pentecostals (those guy are real spooky rolling around and speaking in tongues: "humina humina humina schtick!"). Then they type up a "This house is clean" consult and move on.

Why do you ask? Problem Baptist?
Tea bagger wrote:
The constitution says freedom of religeon not freedom from religeon.
Actually, it doesn’t, although my copy is only one page on parchment. Maybe there's a page I didn't get.

Let’s see. The original Constitution only mentions, "[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” That’s it. Nothing about freedom of religion, just freedom from it.

From http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.h...

"Religion makes only one direct and obvious appearance in the original Constitution that seems to point to a desire for some degree of religious freedom. That appearance is in Article 6, at the end of the third clause:

Then there’s the First Amendment:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” another protection from it, although it also goes on to protect religion from government, too.

Fail.
Tea bagger wrote:
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!
How’s that program working out? Getting a lot of blessings? Are you? Huh?

Epic fail.
jack13

United States

#168 Sep 1, 2009
Charlie wrote:
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No it isn't. What is your grand, inspirational vision? What is the central idea of your life?
Why do I need a grand, inspirational dream? I've given enough information about my central ideas of life. But more to the point, what business is it of yours? Did I ask you to explain your central ideas of life? Why would I care? So stop being a jackass and contemplate your own navel, not mine.

“Jesus who?”

Since: Feb 08

Conroe, TX

#170 Sep 1, 2009
Charlie wrote:
SCIENCE IS THE CRUTCH OF ATHEISM!
"Religion is a crutch for the weak minded." -Jesse Ventura

If you think science is a crutch than maybe you should attend a REAL class and learn some REAL information (fact), instead of bible study (lies and fairy tales.) Religiojn is nothing more than an attempt to explain what was previously unexplainable, and give hope to those cannot support themselves emotionally or mentally. The definition of a cult is as follows:

1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.

3. the object of such devotion.

4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.

6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

7. the members of such a religion or sect.

8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

Every single one of these definitions apply to not one, but all religions. But most religious persons would tell you that cults are a product of the devils mischief, even though their own religion shares all the same characteristics as any other cult on the earth. This goes to show you how narrow minded and gullible christians really are, if it's not their religion, than it's not right.

Your statment is opposite of the truth. Being an atheist means having the ability to think for yourself. Christians obviously cannot do this, that's why they believe whatever they read in the bible or whatever their preacher tells them, no matter how ridiculous or unlikely. I believe i can speak for most atheists when I say that we have no problem living our lives without "spiritual guidance" from some omnipotent or omniscient being that exists only in the minds of those lacking the intellectual capacity to realize what they are believing is nothing more than a fantasy.
Even though science may seem phenomenal at some times, it's still a preoven and repeatable method of explaining what would have been previously unexplained. That's why scientists make the big bucks, because they can explain these phenomena with reproducibility. Any wealthy religious leader is only wealthy because of legitimate business endeavours unrelated to religion, and/or because their followers are stupid enough to give them money.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#171 Sep 1, 2009
nmweatherman wrote:
In fact they seem to be attacking Christians only, in violation of our Constitutional rights.
So call the ACLU and sue us. This is EXACTLY why it’s important to attack the odd Muslim, Sikh, Jainist or Caodaist.
nmweatherman wrote:
Where the government may not make a law excepting a religion, the atheists freely make their own laws and attck us everywhere.
We fight you there so that we don’t have to fight you at home.
nmweatherman wrote:
When they throw all religion out the door, they are throwing the baby out with the bath water...slamming the door on a huge amount of human culture, ritual, and experience, not to mention a treasure trove of architecture, writing, art and music down through the ages. But none of those things mean anything to an atheist. All they care about is the god of science.
We’ll keep the art and throw out the ritual, the dogma and the zombies. Deal? By the way, we'd have come up with the art without the religion.

And stop baptizing your babies in our water. It wasn’t bath water until you dipped the little nipper in it – with no diaper.

“l'enfer, c'est les autres”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#172 Sep 1, 2009
Deezil Wood wrote:
If you think science is a crutch than maybe you should attend a REAL class and learn some REAL information (fact), instead of bible study (lies and fairy tales.) Religiojn is nothing more than an attempt to explain what was previously unexplainable, and give hope to those cannot support themselves emotionally or mentally.


I had a rough time back at the beginning of 2005, and couldn't find work. Spent seven months going through my unemployment checks, savings, credit cards. Finally by August I was homeless for the first time in my life; I had to leave everything I'd worked for (for eight years) behind, as I had no money to store my stuff or move it.

During that period the only substantial help I got was from Catholic Charities. In two states they provided me meals, clothes, a safe place to sleep and a bus ticket. They never asked my denomination (I'm not a Catholic) nor imposed any restrictions on their help for any reason.

You can be absolutely certain no atheist bund or "progressive" or secular helped me out. Atheists are all for "Me!" and do not do charitable work nor help their fellow human being (unless that human being is godless too).

The charitable works of Christians all over the world cannot be matched. The charitable works for humankind by atheists is zero. Zilch. Nada. Nothing.

You're living the lies and fairytales in your disconnect from spiritual humanity, rationalizing your own lies and fairy tales in your hatred of believers and spiritual people.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#173 Sep 1, 2009
John wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't get it even when I spelled it out for you in advance. What are you defending? I have yet to see an antitheist be able to post a substantive position without attacking someone else's belief system. Worry about something of your own to believe in. When you find your nothing let me know and we will discuss whatever you would like.
Until then nothing is all you got and it's ridiculously pompous in light of the fact to act pompous about it.
Stump an antitheist! Ask him what he believes.
I believe you are clueless.

“Peace be with you.”

Since: Aug 08

Lexington, SC

#174 Sep 1, 2009
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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It varies with the atheist. I mostly specialize in Christians, but I have one Muslim client right now in another thread. I have friends who are sub-specialists and just focus on only one kind of fundie. We consult them when necessary to exorcise a thread of a Jehovah's Witness (witness this), a Latter Day Saint (Jesus Christ! Do you know what time it is? Could you come back a little latter in the day, ferkrissakes!") or Pentecostals (those guy are real spooky rolling around and speaking in tongues: "humina humina humina schtick!"). Then they type up a "This house is clean" consult and move on.
Why do you ask? Problem Baptist?
<quoted text>
Actually, it doesn’t, although my copy is only one page on parchment. Maybe there's a page I didn't get.
Let’s see. The original Constitution only mentions, "[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” That’s it. Nothing about freedom of religion, just freedom from it.
From http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.h...
"Religion makes only one direct and obvious appearance in the original Constitution that seems to point to a desire for some degree of religious freedom. That appearance is in Article 6, at the end of the third clause:
Then there’s the First Amendment:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” another protection from it, although it also goes on to protect religion from government, too.
Fail.
<quoted text>
How’s that program working out? Getting a lot of blessings? Are you? Huh?
Epic fail.
It is so nice to see your sense of humor again :-D

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#175 Sep 1, 2009
nmweatherman wrote:
In fact they seem to be attacking Christians only, in violation of our Constitutional rights.
As a matter of fact, I had a conservative, born again patient who was persecuted by an atheist employer (I'm a recently retired and expatriated American physician).
She worked for our library, which was trying to force her to be involved in some Harry Potter rubbish, and she refused on religious grounds, got persecuted her, and then suspended her without pay. Bullshit!

I got involved because they hurt her with punitive heavy lifting and protracted time out in the hot sun on the job. I recommended that she quit her job and sue them. She had no money for that, so I recommended the ACLU, which they had taught her to despise at work.

I go her hooked up with them with one phone call. They were delighted to take the case. They (the ACLU) represented her for free: http://snipurl.com/rirae (the case) and won for her: http://snipurl.com/rir57 (the judgment)

She got her job back, back pay, a public apology and $45,000 from the city. She still thinks the ACLU is in league with the devil, but she slept with the devil and the ACLU just long enough to smack the asshole atheist and the city that employed her, and scurried back to church, where they treated her like a tainted hero.

I even attack atheists when they need attacking. You fundies do not understand secular liberals at all. Nope, not at all.
DannyDeever

Cincinnati, OH

#176 Sep 1, 2009
I think I may be agnostic, but I'm not sure either way.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#177 Sep 1, 2009
nmweatherman wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amen. Government shall make no law as to various religions established in this country, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...so, since the government won't do the atheists' dirty work, attacking Christians, the atheists do it themselves. And the aethists are treading on OUR Constitutional freedoms, not the other way around. You would dearly love to see that Amendment disappear, huh.
As I indicated, I, an atheist was concerned about the librarian's First Amendment rights, and so was the atheistic ACLU. The church was nowhere to be found standing up for this theist. We were.

Like I said, not a clue.

“hellshade”

Since: Jul 07

Location hidden

#178 Sep 1, 2009
John wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't get it even when I spelled it out for you in advance. What are you defending? I have yet to see an antitheist be able to post a substantive position without attacking someone else's belief system. Worry about something of your own to believe in. When you find your nothing let me know and we will discuss whatever you would like.
Until then nothing is all you got and it's ridiculously pompous in light of the fact to act pompous about it.
Stump an antitheist! Ask him what he believes.
quite honestly if you can't prove god exist than belief in gos is essentially nothing. so all you really have is something that might make you feel better about yourself but is still essentially false. now you may misconstrue this as an attack on your belief but it is not. if you can't describe a thing or talk about what it is then how can you even have a discussion? there are those that attack the religios because they actively hate religion and personally i believe religion is nothing more than a means of control created by man to control other men. this is blatantly obvious thru centuries past in christianity. crusades and inquisitions and lets not forget burning heretics and the odd suspected witch at the stake.though christianity has moved away from these practices in modern times it still does not negate the fact that the church and religion is all about controling peoples lives.
if the religious would keep thier religion to themselves life would be much easier...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179 Sep 1, 2009
nmweatherman wrote:
<quoted text>
God does not "treat" His children. God gave us free agency to do what we will. People treat people heinously exercising their "free will."
We have many choices, but with choices and freedom comes personal responsibility for your actions, a quality you obviously don't have.
Actually I'd hate to be your dog, poor thing...
There is no way to demonstrate that what feels like free will is free just because you don't feel anything controlling what you will.

I do. There are many things that I am not free to do, such as try to believe something unbelievable. I am also not fully free the ignore my conscience or faculty of reason. I could do it, but committing such a treacherous act on myself is a repulsive idea, and I would have to overcome considerable internal resistance. Why would I perpetrate such a grievous moral crime on my own most important mental faculties just to be a Christian?

“Science, not faith.”

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#180 Sep 1, 2009
Lisa wrote:
Atheists are the most intolerant people I know.
Right behind christians.
ScienceRules

Plainfield, VT

#181 Sep 1, 2009
SANDY wrote:
<quoted text>Why didn't life evolve on Jupiter..
Maybe it did. We don't know one way or the other.
SANDY wrote:
< So what your telling me is that we adapted to oxygon by evolution so millions of years ago we caould not breath air are you saying that..
Many millions of years ago 'we' weren't 'we'. We were a very different species that, at some point in the past, did not have lungs to breathe oxygen. Is this difficult for you to grasp?
SANDY wrote:
<. Tell me how is reason number3. is nonsense. Really because our solar system could be closer to the milky way center but it's not and it's not in the outer arms of the galexy.
"Reason number.3 We can explore our universe without the problem of too many stars".

YOu need to be told this is nonsense? LOL

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