Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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John

United States

#72607 Jun 6, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
You weren't saying?26
Thinking

Poole, UK

#72609 Jun 6, 2013
So john is proof of unintelligent design.
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
If you needed a blueprint for building a idiot,@john Is the perfect prototype.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#72610 Jun 6, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> God hypothesis is rational given all we know and the fact it explains things. Atheism, on the other hand is infantile in that it makes a lot of noise on one end and has no responsibility on the other. All the whining about lack of evidence ignores the fact the default position explains nothing and claims it does not have to. When evidence is offered it is dismissed. When Theism is argued using a series of arguments the arguments are picked apart as opposed to being viewed as a whole. The problem is not and never has been with the evidence.
The simple fact remains; YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE. All you have are hearsay and deeply held beliefs. God is an invention, first there was lots of gods, the wind god, the rain god, etc etc etc. A god for everything. Then some one invented the idea of a single God and started telling everyone; it is called hearsay when someone tells you something and you believe them with out any evidence.

When you have some evidence I'd like to take a look at it. Until then all you have is more blah blah blah.

What does the Universe need God for? NOTHING! There is NOTHING for this God you allege to exist to do. The Universe maintains itself all according to law. So do tell us what you believe your God does.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#72611 Jun 6, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>If Theism is true then atheism is false and what is false is not equally valid to what is true.
More linear "thinking". It is not as black and white as your ignorance would have us believe. First off, the reason you have only empty words and no evidence for the existence of God is because no evidence exists because this invisible being you allege does not exist.

The Universe maintains itself, there is NOTHING that we need a God for to use as an explanation for some physical law.

Gravity exists, it can be weighted and measured but your God does not exist, if it did you would have some clear evidence for its existence instead of empty illogical irrational delusional words.

Mark 16:17-18, which says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them: they shall lays hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Many true believers have handled deadly snakes and drunk deadly poisons only to find the Bible is both erroneous and dangerous. Courts in Illinois, Tennessee, and elsewhere have repeatedly stopped practices of this nature because of the treat to life. Ask believers to drink poison or handle deadly snakes and one will quickly realize the extent to which even they do not take the book seriously. Mark 16:17-18 clearly states what they can do if they believe. Put them to the test, however, and you will witness a lot of rationalizing.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#72612 Jun 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
If by "explain" you mean "make up shit and lie about it", then sure...
... your madeup shit (theism) can "explain" stuff I suppose.
In EXACTLY the same way that "Santa Claus" explains the "mysterious" appearance of presents at GiftMas time in December.
<laughing>
Speaking of Santa Claus, Santa has a message for all the children of the world:

Dear Children, Some day you will learn everything there is to know about Santa, and on that day, I want you to remember everything the adults told you about Jesus.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#72613 Jun 6, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
The sky is falling
'Loose change' is fact
Jesus is on the way
Jews control the oil supply
Muslims control the worlds Pork supply
Obama is a Muslim socialist
Romney walks on water
Global warming and evolution are a complete hoax, created by the Jews, for the Muslims, with the approval of the Catholics.
PS:
You need to stop reading comic books as your source of information.
I always thought he got his ideas from the Con-artist at the front of his church while he was warming pews.
JoanofArk

Brodhead, KY

#72614 Jun 6, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep...
You're wheel is spinning but the hamster died.
Apparently-So did your grammar/spell check lol.

“Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good”.(Voltaire)

"Rather than accepting an unobtainable definition of perfection based on Forms or Heaven, those of us that want to improve our lives in this world need a definition of “perfect” more suited to reality." Mirman, D.

Because in REALITY, there's NO such thing as "perfection.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#72615 Jun 6, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
More linear "thinking". It is not as black and white as your ignorance would have us believe. First off, the reason you have only empty words and no evidence for the existence of God is because no evidence exists because this invisible being you allege does not exist.
The Universe maintains itself, there is NOTHING that we need a God for to use as an explanation for some physical law.
Gravity exists, it can be weighted and measured but your God does not exist, if it did you would have some clear evidence for its existence instead of empty illogical irrational delusional words.
:) nicely put, reverend!
Imhotep

Murfreesboro, TN

#72616 Jun 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
So john is proof of unintelligent design.
<quoted text>
I believe that is a spot on observation!
A study in religious dementia.
And useless as an ashtray on a bicycle!
JoanofArk

Brodhead, KY

#72617 Jun 6, 2013
JewSS run America wrote:
<quoted text>The French Revolution was created by JEWISH Bankers.
That is fact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =PfGcROyk3-0XX
Broke ones then- with nothing much to "idolize" over (including food, crop etc), according to actual History anyway.

C'est la vie!

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#72618 Jun 6, 2013
John wrote:
Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default.
We are ALL born Atheists. After a couple of years someone, usually our mamma or our poppa tell us about Jesus. Other parents tell their children there is no Jesus. Who ever got to us first is who we believe and everyone else is wrong thereafter.

That is the CHIEF FEATURE of human beings; believing just any old tale told to them.

Now while some of us go to Sunday School others see that for what it is, hearsay and a waste of a good Sunday. The when we have to go to public school with the SundaySchoolers we learn how insane they are and we move from being an Atheist to an Anti-Theist, while others straddle the fence believing there is something to being alive in the Universe but at the same time seeing how irrational religion is, these people just aren't sure so ingrained is everything their parents told them and everything they were told in church that they just can't get rid of the baggage.

Christians and Christianity are responsible for the huge increase in the number of Anti-theists in the world today.

Is there any doubt that we are all born Atheists?
Imhotep

Murfreesboro, TN

#72619 Jun 6, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
I always thought he got his ideas from the Con-artist at the front of his church while he was warming pews.
Indeed!

“Science improves with time. Religion improves by dying out.”~Quandong Loonata

"Science is the record of dead religions." ~Oscar Wilde

“The world holds two classes of men- intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence.”~Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma 'arri

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the same extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." ~H.L. Mencken
Imhotep

Murfreesboro, TN

#72620 Jun 6, 2013
JoanofArk wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently-So did your grammar/spell check lol.
“Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good”.(Voltaire)
"Rather than accepting an unobtainable definition of perfection based on Forms or Heaven, those of us that want to improve our lives in this world need a definition of “perfect” more suited to reality." Mirman, D.
Because in REALITY, there's NO such thing as "perfection.
Meh...
Spell Checker?

Eye halve a spelling checker
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss Steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
it nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
its rare lea ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
its letter perfect awl the weigh
my checker tolled me sew.

----------

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

;)

It appears you like quotes...

“No theologian could ever be a historian. History is essentially disinterested. The historian has only one concern: art and truth,...whereas the theologian has something else at stake- his dogma.”~Joseph Ernest Renan
JoanofArk

Brodhead, KY

#72621 Jun 6, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe that is a spot on observation!
A study in religious dementia.
And useless as an ashtray on a bicycle!
I dunno now...if the ashtray were a covered one...it WOULD be environmentally beneficial in reducing litter....allowing trash to be contained in proper receptacles rather than just dumping eveywhere.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#72622 Jun 6, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>..
Is there any doubt that we are all born Atheists?
Guess it depends how you define Atheism. A baby is not actively disbelieving in a God or gods as we would do.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#72623 Jun 6, 2013
I prefer it put more like, that we are all born without any religion and without any belief in God or gods.
JoanofArk

Brodhead, KY

#72624 Jun 6, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
We are ALL born Atheists. After a couple of years someone, usually our mamma or our poppa tell us about Jesus. Other parents tell their children there is no Jesus. Who ever got to us first is who we believe and everyone else is wrong thereafter.
That is the CHIEF FEATURE of human beings; believing just any old tale told to them.
Now while some of us go to Sunday School others see that for what it is, hearsay and a waste of a good Sunday. The when we have to go to public school with the SundaySchoolers we learn how insane they are and we move from being an Atheist to an Anti-Theist, while others straddle the fence believing there is something to being alive in the Universe but at the same time seeing how irrational religion is, these people just aren't sure so ingrained is everything their parents told them and everything they were told in church that they just can't get rid of the baggage.
Christians and Christianity are responsible for the huge increase in the number of Anti-theists in the world today.
Is there any doubt that we are all born Atheists?
Now just because SOME people might not enjoy Sunday school, doesn't mean ALL people should not. There's nothing wrong with learning lessons in how to be ethically fair and decent people, no matter what the label on the classroom door.

And some people might like the socialization aspects that often are inclusive with similar environments, while others might prefer more restful environments one day a week.
Nothing wrong with either scenerio, just all goes back to that personal choices thing.
JoanofArk

Brodhead, KY

#72625 Jun 6, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Meh...
Spell Checker?
Eye halve a spelling checker
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss Steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
it nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
its letter perfect awl the weigh
my checker tolled me sew.
----------
"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
;)
It appears you like quotes...
“No theologian could ever be a historian. History is essentially disinterested. The historian has only one concern: art and truth,...whereas the theologian has something else at stake- his dogma.”~Joseph Ernest Renan
Who would want to get mired up on anyone elses dogma-when they can have their own?
Like the "dogma" of liking history..and the books thereof :-)
JoanofArk

Brodhead, KY

#72626 Jun 6, 2013
spudgun wrote:
I prefer it put more like, that we are all born without any religion and without any belief in God or gods.
EXCEPT- for nutritional and creature/comfort ones, basically!
JoanofArk

Brodhead, KY

#72627 Jun 6, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed!
“Science improves with time. Religion improves by dying out.”~Quandong Loonata
"Science is the record of dead religions." ~Oscar Wilde
“The world holds two classes of men- intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence.”~Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma 'arri
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the same extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." ~H.L. Mencken
Have yet to see one that actually captures ALL the variables as well as this one *in My personal opinion anyway!

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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