Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#72521 Jun 2, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. Theism claims to know the answers without evidence that can be tested.
Atheism says that evidence isn't good enough.... Please try again later.
I would say most atheists would tell you that they would believe in a god if the evidence was presented. So far that hasn't been done and it become frustrating when people judge you for not believing in something that to you is the equivalent of believing in Santa clause.
I take that back... There seems to be more evidence for Santa.
Indeed. Santa even has hundreds of movies and films "proving" his existence...

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#72522 Jun 2, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> And explains nothing.
Correct: atheism simply asks you god-robots for PROOF of your god.

Can you do THAT? Can you show PROOF?

No?

Interesting.... it appears that SCIENCE is better at EXPLAINING THINGS.

REAL things-- not bullshit things like you theists want.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#72523 Jun 2, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> God hypothesis is rational given all we know and the fact it explains things.
Santa Claus "explains" things too.

Is belief in Santa Claus .. rational? Why or why not?

Thor "explains" lightning. Is belief in Thor rational or irrational?

Why or why not?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#72524 Jun 2, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
If Theism is true then atheism is false and what is false is not equally valid to what is true.
Theism is false.

Until proven true-- which it never has been done.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#72525 Jun 2, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> And explains nothing.
Yep. Correct.

That's the job of science.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72527 Jun 2, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Did some ask KK to show off her stupidity?
Wow. Nice job KK.[/QUOTE]

So zero answers from theism. Okay, then theism answers nothing either.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#72528 Jun 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Santa Claus "explains" things too.
Is belief in Santa Claus .. rational? Why or why not?
Thor "explains" lightning. Is belief in Thor rational or irrational?
Why or why not?
Did you accuse Santa of rape?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#72530 Jun 3, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
Since atheism explains nothing and Theism explains pretty much everything then Theism wins by default.
which theism are you talking about that hasn't been proven false? explaining things in a known false way does nothing but make stupid cult members...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#72531 Jun 3, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
What's that? Oh, you don't have one shred of evidence in this arena that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to? Yeah, I knew that. Great noncase. I don't debate nothing.
My accountable position I am willing to debate is a prime mover. Yours? Dance for me puppet. You don't care about evidence. You have an axe to grind and this is your place to vent. Pathetic.
yes i certainly do and have given it to you many times. evidence that proves your cult to be false. this is why atheists assert that the gods man has created are false. it is not a belief system it is a statement of known and provable fact.
John

United States

#72532 Jun 3, 2013
^ Claims of evidence; then no evidence LOL. Magic science!
John

United States

#72533 Jun 3, 2013
I contend the preponderance of evidence lies on the side of a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. Your entire forum is a nothing farce. I love watching you fight so hard for a supposed nonclaim.
Your whole narrative is reliant on God to have a voice. Logic and rationality are lost on liberal atheists. Do you have an example of evidence that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to?
How does a bigot measure the evidence for the following possibilities: prime mover, always was, something from nothing. Show your work.
You can't even make up an accountable position to debate vs a prime mover. The reason your forum won't engage is they realize just how futile their nonposition is.
Debate nothing with your other personalities. I don't debate nothing Stumpy.*4
John

United States

#72534 Jun 3, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 69,612 posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
John

United States

#72535 Jun 3, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
You weren't saying?22
John

United States

#72536 Jun 3, 2013
Atheism is simply disbelief. Nothing more. I also believe the Obama administrations talking points on Benghazi, IRS, and Fox/AP.
You're dismissed offhandedly because I've been here four years and you don't have one example of evidence in this arena you hold others accountable to. Show me it.
This is a collection of bigots with zero intellectual honesty. It's why you can't answer my questions relevantly.
God doesn't meet your criteria. Nothing else does either. Yet you attack God with specificity.
I contend the evidences and reasons for a prime mover trump any other possibility. I am willing to debate that. What's your accountable position?
If you don't have one and can't show the methodology where a prime mover is somehow less likely than others you are just loons. It's obvious that's the case.
Your turn to repeat nothing.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.3

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#72537 Jun 3, 2013
John wrote:
^ Claims of evidence; then no evidence LOL. Magic science!
the evidence was given many times, you ran away from it just like you do everytime i ask for this supposed proof you have of your prime mover...

why can't you give this proof you say you have?
John

United States

#72538 Jun 3, 2013
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 69,615 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#72539 Jun 3, 2013
John wrote:
I contend the preponderance of evidence lies on the side of a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. Your entire forum is a nothing farce. I love watching you fight so hard for a supposed nonclaim.
Your whole narrative is reliant on God to have a voice. Logic and rationality are lost on liberal atheists. Do you have an example of evidence that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to?
How does a bigot measure the evidence for the following possibilities: prime mover, always was, something from nothing. Show your work.
You can't even make up an accountable position to debate vs a prime mover. The reason your forum won't engage is they realize just how futile their nonposition is.
Debate nothing with your other personalities. I don't debate nothing Stumpy.*4
there is not one single shred of evidence for any prime mover at all.

why can't you even give one single bit of this evidence you say you have?

every god invented by man has been proven false.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#72541 Jun 3, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
Since atheism explains nothing and Theism explains pretty much everything then Theism wins by default.
This is why we can never have a serious debate. How can theism explain everything, when theists have totally different stories, explanations, morals, and deities?

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#72542 Jun 3, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Did some ask KK to show off her stupidity?
Wow. Nice job KK.[/QUOTE]
Those questions are valid ones. If anyone is showing off their stupidity, it is you.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#72543 Jun 3, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
So do you believe we are gods for doing these things?
Oh my we built a computer we must be gods.

[/QUOTE]
That is not the point a-hole!

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