Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70638 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#72472 May 31, 2013
John wrote:
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^ questions above LOL
again, not one shred of this evidence you claim for a prime mover. keep running away when asked for it johhny...
John

United States

#72473 May 31, 2013
John wrote:
I contend the preponderance of evidence lies on the side of a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. Your entire forum is a nothing farce. I love watching you fight so hard for a supposed nonclaim.
Your whole narrative is reliant on God to have a voice. Logic and rationality are lost on liberal atheists. Do you have an example of evidence that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to?
How does a bigot measure the evidence for the following possibilities: prime mover, always was, something from nothing. Show your work.
You can't even make up an accountable position to debate vs a prime mover. The reason your forum won't engage is they realize just how futile their nonposition is.
Debate nothing with your other personalities. I don't debate nothing Stumpy.*2
^questions above.....again
John

United States

#72474 May 31, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>again, not one shred of this evidence you claim for a prime mover. keep running away when asked for it johhny...
What's that? Oh, you don't have one shred of evidence in this arena that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to? Yeah, I knew that. Great noncase. I don't debate nothing.

My accountable position I am willing to debate is a prime mover. Yours? Dance for me puppet. You don't care about evidence. You have an axe to grind and this is your place to vent. Pathetic.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#72475 May 31, 2013
Ray puelerico wrote:
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superior how bob? superior in what way?
I gave you a list of how modern secularism is superior.

A list you keep ignoring.... why?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#72476 May 31, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, man does make up morals and that is exactly why different cultures have different morals. you just proved your own bullshit wrong. good job....
I am growing weary of his continued bullshit....
John

United States

#72477 Jun 1, 2013
I contend the preponderance of evidence lies on the side of a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. Your entire forum is a nothing farce. I love watching you fight so hard for a supposed nonclaim.
Your whole narrative is reliant on God to have a voice. Logic and rationality are lost on liberal atheists. Do you have an example of evidence that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to?
How does a bigot measure the evidence for the following possibilities: prime mover, always was, something from nothing. Show your work.
You can't even make up an accountable position to debate vs a prime mover. The reason your forum won't engage is they realize just how futile their nonposition is.
Debate nothing with your other personalities. I don't debate nothing Stumpy.*3
Imhotep

United States

#72478 Jun 1, 2013
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SYRIAN REBELS URGE MCCAIN TO GET OVER LOSING TO OBAMA

SYRIA (The Borowitz Report)—During a meeting yesterday with Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona), Syrian rebels told the senator that he still seemed “really bitter” about losing the 2008 election to President Obama and advised him to “get over it.”

After meeting with the Arizona senator in the border region near Turkey, a spokesman for the Syrian rebels told reporters that while they appreciated Sen. McCain’s support,“We were kind of uncomfortable with the place it was coming from.”

“It was pretty obvious to me and the other rebels that everything McCain was doing was just to get back at Obama,” the rebel spokesman said.“And we were like, look, that election was five years ago. It’s time to move on.”

Sen. McCain denied that his support of the Syrian rebels had anything to do with a personal vendetta against President Obama, but according to the rebel,“Every time he said ‘Obama,’ a vein in his head kind of bulged out.”

“The man is a simmering cauldron of rage,” the Syrian rebel said.“He needs to turn his anger toward Obama into something more positive. You can’t carry all of that hate around with you forever—it’s not healthy.”

For his part, Sen. McCain said that he was “finished” with the Syrian rebels and would now focus on starting a war with North Korea.

PSA
Our resident Narcissist @john with soon spam again. Imhotep's oracles are never wrong.
John

United States

#72479 Jun 1, 2013
^puppet show @ Stumpville.
John

United States

#72480 Jun 1, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 69,565 posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#72481 Jun 1, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
What's that? Oh, you don't have one shred of evidence in this arena that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to? Yeah, I knew that. Great noncase. I don't debate nothing.
My accountable position I am willing to debate is a prime mover. Yours? Dance for me puppet. You don't care about evidence. You have an axe to grind and this is your place to vent. Pathetic.
yes. yes i do. I have given my evidence that proves the gods of the man made religions are false. that is proven fact.

where is your evidence of your prime mover, runaway johnny?

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#72482 Jun 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I am growing weary of his continued bullshit....
and to boot it is inane bullshit. the kind of thinking best left to couch bound stoners...

on the other thread i told hunts coyotes that i generally don't read your posts. not out of disinterest or disregard, it is just that you tend to stick to the known facts so i'm usually pretty sure what you'd say about an issue. so, you know, the fifth time some fool comes on and says morals prove god, i'm pretty sure of what your resopnse will be , so i skip over your answers...(of course, you may have skipped that post of mine...just wanted to let you know what i meant...)

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72485 Jun 1, 2013
Ray puelerico wrote:
<quoted text>
..... for evil [t]o really exist, you need objective moral standards by which to judge them.....
Why? Since all morality in the world is subjective, why can't "evil" be as well?

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#72486 Jun 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? Since all morality in the world is subjective, why can't "evil" be as well?
it is. Ray just starts from his presupposed premise of a god and can't see why that false premise leads his logic astray...

cult mentality...
Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#72487 Jun 1, 2013
PSA

Our resident 'Narcissistic Robo-Poster'(NRP)@john with soon spam again.

Imhotep's oracles are never wrong.:)

Time prediction: 2.5 hours from this post or less.
Keeps him off the street.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72488 Jun 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it is. Ray just starts from his presupposed premise of a god and can't see why that false premise leads his logic astray...
cult mentality...
Yep. Things we abhor today were once considered not only good, but often "divine," such as killing and eating your enemies. Forcing women into pairing up for mating. Destroying entire civilizations just because they did not agree. Owning other humans. Also inbreeding. All of which every single religion supports, and even commands, even the Pagan ones did at one point, but they changed with the times.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#72489 Jun 1, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
PSA
Our resident 'Narcissistic Robo-Poster'(NRP)@john with soon spam again.
Imhotep's oracles are never wrong.:)
Time prediction: 2.5 hours from this post or less.
Keeps him off the street.
are you sure he's off the streets? he seems like one of those "the end is nigh" sandwich board people....

he could be posting from his smart phone between being slushied by passing motorists.
John

United States

#72492 Jun 1, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
You weren't saying?21

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#72493 Jun 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. Things we abhor today were once considered not only good, but often "divine," such as killing and eating your enemies. Forcing women into pairing up for mating. Destroying entire civilizations just because they did not agree. Owning other humans. Also inbreeding. All of which every single religion supports, and even commands, even the Pagan ones did at one point, but they changed with the times.
ahhh...the good old days...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#72494 Jun 1, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
You weren't saying?21
still running away fronm providing the proof you say you have for this prime mover? all these years and you still can't provide even a shred of evidence for it? not even one?

you truly are runaway johnny....

“The Abrahamic God”

Since: Jan 10

is a serial murderer

#72495 Jun 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? Since all morality in the world is subjective, why can't "evil" be as well?
I will argue that true morals are not subjective, but are common sense rules needed for the survival of civilization.
Thou shalt not murder
Thou shalt not steal
We know that we must stop or curtail the above or else civilization will not prosper.
It is when we make up abstract moral codes, that we run into problem. Codes which ban gay marriage, prostitution, nudity etc.

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