Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Still not one accountable position of belief or example of evidence that meets the bigots criteria. Atheism is simply disbelief....over and over and over.

What a strange forum. I'll pop in and check on my puppets nothing responses down the road.
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Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
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emperorjohn wrote:
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They are based on Faux news. The same place he gets his info on the fake Benghazi conspiracy.
Yeah... I know.

Sad, isn't it?

If President Obama came on TV, to warn us not to eat yellow snow?

Fox News would immediately start proclaiming the healthful benefits of eating yellow snow....

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I wonder if the liar slept as he left those under his charge to die. Not you Bob. Your God and liar Obama.
See? You actually WOULD eat Yellow Snow, if your Fox News told you to....!

Too Funny!

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No problem. I just don't like incompetent, statist, liars in charge of the United States of America. Maybe you could use a cup.
Says the Eater of Yellow-Snow (Fox News)....

....LOL!

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Very well said. I also learned that about taking charge of your own self identity a long time ago, having had quite a bit of experience with groups, self esteem courses, and just a lot of interest in reading in that type of subjects. However, I do not always remember to practise what I have learned.:(
Well, nobody can fault you for being human, can they?

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Prime mover:
Noun
1. A person or establishment that is chiefly responsible for the creation or execution of a plan or project.
2. An initial natural or mechanical source of motive power.
John, we have two directions here. Which is your position?
I suspect John believes it was a Giant, Golden Gear that got the universe moving....

...why?

Because he saw that on Fox News, his personal God...!

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Still not one accountable position of belief or example of evidence that meets the bigots criteria. Atheism is simply disbelief....over and over and over.
What a strange forum. I'll pop in and check on my puppets nothing responses down the road.
Thor would beat your dead-jew-on-a-stick any day of the week.

Thor wears chainmail, and has a Hammer.

Your dead jew? What's he gonna do? Fling one of the maggots eating his zombie-corpse?

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Lincoln wrote:
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Bob is an authority on "Jews"
Speaking of Jews...

They are "God's chosen people" According to them.

No wonder all the other religionists are suffering from that green eyed monster also known as jealousy!

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Imhotep wrote:
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Speaking of Jews...
They are "God's chosen people" According to them.
No wonder all the other religionists are suffering from that green eyed monster also known as jealousy!
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Some do and many are agnostic and atheists.
Religion important in winning elections in the USA

The Democratic Party dropped atheism/secularism in 1992 with the Election of President Bill Clinton and has carrier a majority vote for President in 1996, 2000, 2008 and 2012. President Clinton won a plurality in 1992.

President Barack Obama is Protestant while Vice President Biden is Roman Catholic.

Supreme Court has six Roman Catholics most who lean Republican unfortunately.:-(
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Thor would beat your dead-jew-on-a-stick any day of the week.
Thor wears chainmail, and has a Hammer.
Your dead jew? What's he gonna do? Fling one of the maggots eating his zombie-corpse?
(laughing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Prime mover:
Noun
1. A person or establishment that is chiefly responsible for the creation or execution of a plan or project.
2. An initial natural or mechanical source of motive power.

John, we have two directions here. Which is your position?
Lincoln wrote:
A false dichotomy
is a dichotomy that is not jointly exhaustive (there are other alternatives), or that is not mutually exclusive (the alternatives overlap), or that is possibly neither. Note that the example given above is not mutually exclusive, since the test and the program could both be wrong. It's not jointly exhaustive either, since they could both be correct, but it could be a hardware error, a compiler error and so on.
Ok allow me to edit....

Prime mover:
Noun
1. A person or establishment that is chiefly responsible for the creation or execution of a plan or project.
2. An initial natural or mechanical source of motive power.

John and Lincoln, this was the definition I found of prime mover... To better understand your position and if I disagree or agree with your position, can you please clarify what definition you are referring to when you use "prime mover"
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Lincoln wrote:
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Some do and many are agnostic and atheists.
Religion important in winning elections in the USA
The Democratic Party dropped atheism/secularism in 1992 with the Election of President Bill Clinton and has carrier a majority vote for President in 1996, 2000, 2008 and 2012. President Clinton won a plurality in 1992.
President Barack Obama is Protestant while Vice President Biden is Roman Catholic.
Supreme Court has six Roman Catholics most who lean Republican unfortunately.:-(
Not me I've never bothered with religion one day in my life other than for some mild amusement.

Unlike a few people in this forum they had or still have some kind of religion - I never did.

I view it as a mental disorder nothing more.
Some are affected more severely than others that's all.

Religion is all about geography UR where you grew up and what your parents believed.

If left alone on its own merits few would believe it.

For every civilization that has ever walked the face of this planet - that worshipped gods - when their civilization died, so did their gods. Only the Buildings of worship remain.

The list of dead religions and defunct gods will grow longer.

It's really only a matter of time and for religion - time is running out...
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EmpAtheist wrote:
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Ok allow me to edit....
Prime mover:
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1. A person or establishment that is chiefly responsible for the creation or execution of a plan or project.
2. An initial natural or mechanical source of motive power.
John and Lincoln, this was the definition I found of prime mover... To better understand your position and if I disagree or agree with your position, can you please clarify what definition you are referring to when you use "prime mover"
You're the atheist in the atheism forum. No one is here to do your homework for you. Remain silent or research the possibilities yourself. If you insist on ruling out and disparaging I will debate any accountable position you choose to make a case for. You chose to fixate on me rather than adddress your nothing. Since 2009 not one example of evidence that meets your own criteria. Amazing.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yeah... I know.
Sad, isn't it?
If President Obama came on TV, to warn us not to eat yellow snow?
Fox News would immediately start proclaiming the healthful benefits of eating yellow snow....
Useful idiots like you Bob are exactly what progressives rely on. You would be the first one to whine if this anti-American radical organization could implement its desire. You mentioned the Jews. Yet another group singled out and spied upon by. Freethinkers consider facts and don't dismiss sources offhand. Your bought and paid for news agencies are finally being forced to report some of these unconstitutional overreaches and disgusting thug tactics. Progressives are such cowards. The house of cards you ignorantly helped create is falling. They were going to one way or another.

Go read the Constitution or take a civics class. Those buzzwords ought to get me on another list lmao. I'm a conservative too. Blow your little whistle and turn me in.

Zero net jobs since Obama took office. Not one!
John

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Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
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You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 69,180 posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
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I contend the preponderance of evidence lies on the side of a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. Your entire forum is a nothing farce. I love watching you fight so hard for a supposed nonclaim.
Your whole narrative is reliant on God to have a voice. Logic and rationality are lost on liberal atheists. Do you have an example of evidence that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to?
How does a bigot measure the evidence for the following possibilities: prime mover, always was, something from nothing. Show your work.
You can't even make up an accountable position to debate vs a prime mover. The reason your forum won't engage is they realize just how futile their nonposition is.
Debate nothing with your other personalities. I don't debate nothing Stumpy.6
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Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 69,180 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
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Come and see the show! My puppet parade will commence shortly. Our usual litany of nothing Obots will regale you with their disbelief and excuses for their master.

A special guest Imhotep will continue to mesmerize the audience with his bipolar thoughts and analysis.

The kids will be treated to a game of guess the truthful statement from proven liar Bob.

The show promises nothing. Questions will be rejected and in a symphony of synchronicity the crew of nothing will steer the topic to ?????(audience gasps)

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