Atheists on the march in America

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When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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John

United States

#71372 Apr 17, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#71373 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
Full of sh*t theist with no proof of god.
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#71374 Apr 17, 2013
So you can't prove Thor doesn't exist.
So you can't prove leprechauns don't exist.
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
John

United States

#71375 Apr 17, 2013
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 68,513 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#71376 Apr 17, 2013
So you can't prove Thor doesn't exist.
So you can't prove leprechauns don't exist.
John wrote:
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 68,513 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#71377 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 68,513 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
well, i didn't want to bring this out, but you forced me into it.

i have been in contact with an advanced, alien race for some time now and they have told me there is no god. they created our entire universe, and all the life within it as an experiment.

sorry to burst your cult bubble. i was supposed to keep it secret, but your insistent nagging dragged it out of me...

John

United States

#71378 Apr 17, 2013
Well welcome to the side with the preponderance of evidence. You must have felt stupid ducking a comparative analysis all these years.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#71379 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
Well welcome to the side with the preponderance of evidence. You must have felt stupid ducking a comparative analysis all these years.
yes, atheism is proven by our alien overlords and creators.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71380 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Prove there is no God.
Okay.

For my proof? I submit... the sum-total of YOUR UGLY POSTS.

Especially the ones in which you ridicule and belittle others you perceive to not be in your tight little club.

Now. Presuming this "god" of yours is an actual... divine being?

Then we may expect that this god is interested in Divine levels of Justice, and equally Divine levels of Goodness?

The proof runs like this: what god, who was truly interested in both Justice and Good, would permit the likes of ...

... YOU ...

... to be It's spokes-person, it's missionary to people who do NOT believe in It?

Answer:

No god who was GOOD or JUST would suffer the likes of YOU.

There you have it!

Irrefutable proof, that your god is not real.

(too easy)
John

United States

#71381 Apr 17, 2013
Yet atheism is simply disbelief. Much more plausible than your magic science by the way.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71382 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
Well welcome to the side with the preponderance of evidence. You must have felt stupid ducking a comparative analysis all these years.
John wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Prove there is no God.
Okay.

For my proof? I submit... the sum-total of YOUR UGLY POSTS.

Especially the ones in which you ridicule and belittle others you perceive to not be in your tight little club.

Now. Presuming this "god" of yours is an actual... divine being?

Then we may expect that this god is interested in Divine levels of Justice, and equally Divine levels of Goodness?

The proof runs like this: what god, who was truly interested in both Justice and Good, would permit the likes of ...

... YOU ...

... to be It's spokes-person, it's missionary to people who do NOT believe in It?

Answer:

No god who was GOOD or JUST would suffer the likes of YOU.

There you have it!

Irrefutable proof, that your god is not real.

(too easy)
John

United States

#71383 Apr 17, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 68,520 posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#71384 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 68,520 posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
but i have the proof of no god. definitive. my alien overlords told me it is true and showed me the truth and evidence of it.
John

United States

#71385 Apr 17, 2013
Make your case then. Your forum. Call it a hunch but I bet you revert back to restating your disbelief over and over and over and over.

Don't worry I'll be here to expose you.

No evidence.
No accountable position of belief.
Dismissed.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#71386 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
Make your case then. Your forum. Call it a hunch but I bet you revert back to restating your disbelief over and over and over and over.
Don't worry I'll be here to expose you.
No evidence.
No accountable position of belief.
Dismissed.
you do not have the technology to understand the proof. they beam it directly into my head

it looks like this:

My momma told
me
you better s
h
o
p

around.

if your mind were changed by the beam like mine, you would see the intricate matrixes interlaid into the mesage.

i shouldn't even be telling you this but they hate country music so if i sing Garth Brooks songs at the top of my voice while i type they tune out long enough for me to let you in on this revelation...whew...my voice is sore...
John

United States

#71387 Apr 17, 2013
I appreciate the entertainment. Perhaps some gullible lurkers will not see this as an attempt to avoid your nothing.

You worked hard on that, so it deserves an acknowledgement.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#71388 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
I appreciate the entertainment. Perhaps some gullible lurkers will not see this as an attempt to avoid your nothing.
You worked hard on that, so it deserves an acknowledgement.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.
is it any different from your hoax? how?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71389 Apr 17, 2013
John wrote:
Make your case then. Your forum. Call it a hunch but I bet you revert back to restating your disbelief over and over and over and over.
Don't worry I'll be here to expose you.
No evidence.
No accountable position of belief.
Dismissed.
John wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Prove there is no God.
Okay.

For my proof? I submit... the sum-total of YOUR UGLY POSTS.

Especially the ones in which you ridicule and belittle others you perceive to not be in your tight little club.

Now. Presuming this "god" of yours is an actual... divine being?

Then we may expect that this god is interested in Divine levels of Justice, and equally Divine levels of Goodness?

The proof runs like this: what god, who was truly interested in both Justice and Good, would permit the likes of ...

... YOU ...

... to be It's spokes-person, it's missionary to people who do NOT believe in It?

Answer:

No god who was GOOD or JUST would suffer the likes of YOU.

There you have it!

Irrefutable proof, that your god is not real.

(too easy)
KJV

United States

#71390 Apr 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>John wrote, "<quoted text>
No. Prove there is no God. "

Okay.

For my proof? I submit... the sum-total of YOUR UGLY POSTS.

Especially the ones in which you ridicule and belittle others you perceive to not be in your tight little club.

Now. Presuming this "god" of yours is an actual... divine being?

Then we may expect that this god is interested in Divine levels of Justice, and equally Divine levels of Goodness?

The proof runs like this: what god, who was truly interested in both Justice and Good, would permit the likes of ...

... YOU ...

... to be It's spokes-person, it's missionary to people who do NOT believe in It?

Answer:

No god who was GOOD or JUST would suffer the likes of YOU.

There you have it!

Irrefutable proof, that your god is not real.

(too easy)
I have proof of God.
John

United States

#71391 Apr 17, 2013
I'm not here to convert you loon. I exposed your hypocrisy. I exposed your evidentiary standard. I exposed your version of the nothing. What I believed was irrelevant, but since your nothing forum insists on fighting the God they don't believe in I presented a reasonable challenge.

You should know it by now. I contend the preponderance of evidence lies on the side of a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. Step up or get your nothing out of here. Maybe if you took a breath you would recognize the lunacy of your forum.

Nothing Bless

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