Atheists on the march in America

There are 20 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#71647 Apr 27, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
John is pure comedy gold.
You in particular assail him at every turn, His anxiety is palpable, Why he even mentioned you by name!
Even foghorn leghorn commented!
“Nice boy but he’s got more nerve than a bum tooth”
“I say, boy, pay attention when I’m talkin’ to ya, boy”
“Pay attention, boy, I’m cuttin’ but you ain’t bleedin’!”
“Smart boy, got a mind like a steel trap – full of mice”
“He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent”
For some odd reason I feel a bit jaunty this evening. Sarcasm seems to be my forte today.
Sometimes I have questions...
Should crematoriums give discounts for burn victims?
If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?
If a man is standing in the middle of the forest speaking and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
Is there another word for synonym?
Isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do "practice?"
I have a map of the United States... Actual size. It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile." I spent last summer folding it. I also have a full-size map of the world. I hardly ever unroll it. People ask me where I live, and I say, "E6".
It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to have to paint it.
;)
ROTFPML

“I'm out hunting”

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#71648 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, your pastor was spot-on correct-- faith requires a direct suspension of both reason and common sense.
:)
I like to say blind faith, because faith can be reasonable. I can say I trust my mother with my private information because she has helped me out, that would be faith. But for me to just give out private information to anyone in the street and to have enough trust in them to assume that they would not use it to their benefit is blind faith

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71649 Apr 27, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> I like to say blind faith, because faith can be reasonable. I can say I trust my mother with my private information because she has helped me out, that would be faith. But for me to just give out private information to anyone in the street and to have enough trust in them to assume that they would not use it to their benefit is blind faith
Oh, without a doubt language is far more subtle than your average godbot can comprehend.

And in English, especially-- where words can have contextual meaning that is literally 180 degrees from a more formal setting. Or even off on a tangent....

... as in the word "cool", for example.:)

And I well understand how faith is a very useful mental shortcut: imagine an existence where there was no such helpful thing.

Having to test a chair or chair-like object every time you wanted to sit down? Will it hold you up? Test it and see.... but faith in the meme of "chairs" allows you to just sit down without a second thought.

But you point out and even more useful feature of faith: it permits humans to act cooperatively in large groups.

Faith in each other, is an essential ability in a social species such as ours.

Sadly, religion has exploited this mental short-cut to it's own nefarious ends.

Not unlike a parasitic worm, come to think of it.

“I'm out hunting”

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#71650 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, without a doubt language is far more subtle than your average godbot can comprehend.
And in English, especially-- where words can have contextual meaning that is literally 180 degrees from a more formal setting. Or even off on a tangent....
... as in the word "cool", for example.:)
And I well understand how faith is a very useful mental shortcut: imagine an existence where there was no such helpful thing.
Having to test a chair or chair-like object every time you wanted to sit down? Will it hold you up? Test it and see.... but faith in the meme of "chairs" allows you to just sit down without a second thought.
But you point out and even more useful feature of faith: it permits humans to act cooperatively in large groups.
Faith in each other, is an essential ability in a social species such as ours.
Sadly, religion has exploited this mental short-cut to it's own nefarious ends.
Not unlike a parasitic worm, come to think of it.
Exactly. Religion has corrupted the meaning and value of faith. True faith is belief based on logic, reason, observation, and pattern.We believe our family loves us because we have seen seen their love manifested over and over again. We believe that winter will be colder then summer because what we have seen and felt. We may believe that one boxer may prevail over the other based on their previous fight records. Religion has encouraged it slaves to blind themselves and put their trust in their delusion. It appeals to the sentimental and irrational part of the human mind. The side that ma chooses comfort over reason and reality.
John

Atwater, OH

#71651 Apr 27, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 68,790 posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
Imhotep

United States

#71652 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Classic humor.
(and yes-- the man would still be wrong--
-- as Lazarus Long advised? If you ever, in your entire life, win an argument with a woman?
Apologize at once! Your very sanity may depend on it.)
:)
LMAO. OUTSTANDING ;)

I appreciate the warning, My wife is looking at me suspiciously right now! It's my uproarious laughter that aroused her interest!

I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything.

What's another word for Thesaurus?

Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song? The guy who wrote that song wrote everything.

Thx Stephen
Imhotep

United States

#71653 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspect he would.
After all? God's "god" is the fertile and vivid imaginary vistas of his True Believers™.
:)
God's got a sense humor
Junior rang my phone late last night
Something about another wife

I calmed him down
How you might ask... 3 tokes
A wienie bit of my bong packed with "White widow"
Imhotep

United States

#71654 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Or? It could be that god just sees brain tumors instead...
... the real cause of quite a bit of "spirituality" I suspect.
Hell he made the stuff I use it!
If is spirituality I'm all for it!
Imhotep

United States

#71655 Apr 27, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
ROTFPML
Google Steven Wright. ;)

I'm writing an unauthorized autobiography.

I wrote a few children's books... Not on purpose.

Laughter always entertains
Imhotep

United States

#71656 Apr 27, 2013
I sense a disturbance in the force...

It's been minutes since our Robo poster Has appeared! We must keep him busy.

A hush falls over the forum, Anxious posters await the spam, Appearing soon, tic tic tic

Zzzzz
John

Atwater, OH

#71657 Apr 27, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was and am simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitimate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
%4
Imhotep

United States

#71659 Apr 27, 2013
Imhotep's oracles have predicted the following will occur today.

It's been minutes since our Robo poster Has appeared! He demands attention, Meh

A hush falls over the forum, Anxious posters await the result - are Imhotep's oracles correct?

Will my oracles prove beyond a shadow of doubt, their ability to predict future events?

If their prediction is correct, feel free to query me for other predictions. ;)

In Vegas, I got into a long argument with the man at the roulette wheel over what I considered to be an odd number.
John

Atwater, OH

#71660 Apr 27, 2013
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 68,791 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
Imhotep

United States

#71661 Apr 27, 2013
As predicted!

So recapping what we know for sure

You're inadequate and you can't rule out the possibility that I am awesome and so are my oracles!
John

Atwater, OH

#71662 Apr 27, 2013
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly is not the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.%4

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71663 Apr 27, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. Religion has corrupted the meaning and value of faith. True faith is belief based on logic, reason, observation, and pattern.We believe our family loves us because we have seen seen their love manifested over and over again. We believe that winter will be colder then summer because what we have seen and felt. We may believe that one boxer may prevail over the other based on their previous fight records. Religion has encouraged it slaves to blind themselves and put their trust in their delusion. It appeals to the sentimental and irrational part of the human mind. The side that ma chooses comfort over reason and reality.
Religion is also a "yes, I want fries with that" mentality.

In that it provides easy "answers" that require zero thought or study.

How difficult is it, to claim "goddidit"? No effort at all.

Whereas, to understand basic functioning of our universe, requires quite a bit of background information, just to get started.

That is .. >>hard<< to many people. Too hard, apparently-- they'd prefer the easy path of "goddididt" instead.

Very little in the way of thought required, to say "goddidit".

In fact?

Thinking just gets in the way...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71664 Apr 27, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO. OUTSTANDING ;)
I appreciate the warning, My wife is looking at me suspiciously right now! It's my uproarious laughter that aroused her interest!
I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything.
What's another word for Thesaurus?
Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song? The guy who wrote that song wrote everything.
Thx Stephen
That is an excellent question: why >>is<< the English alphabet strung out from A to Z, and not some other order?

It'd be an interesting bit of trivia.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#71665 Apr 27, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
As predicted!
So recapping what we know for sure
You're inadequate and you can't rule out the possibility that I am awesome and so are my oracles!
Brilliant!

On the other hand?

Predicting Stumpy's content is kind of like predicting the next index value in a FOR..NEXT loop....

:)
John

Atwater, OH

#71666 Apr 27, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 68,797 posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
Imhotep

United States

#71667 Apr 27, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
That is an excellent question: why >>is<< the English alphabet strung out from A to Z, and not some other order?
It'd be an interesting bit of trivia.
:)
Yeah it is a good question. Steven has a odd sense of humor... Example

I stayed up all night playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died.

I put instant tea in a microwave oven and almost went back in time.

I went down the street to the 24-hour grocery. When I got there, the guy was locking the front door. I said, "Hey, the sign says you're open 24 hours." He said, "Yes, but not in a row."

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