Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Apr 5, 2013
 
Lincoln wrote:
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Stalin, one of your fellow atheists, killed tens of millions.
Together with
Trotsky,
Kamenev
Zinoviev
and other atheists.
Atheists in power are Not to be trusted
Atheism is a lack of belief in god.

Show us all with your mighty intelligence where in the above sentence is there and instruction to kill men women and children?

Show us where the f*ck it is you cowardly piece of sh*t troll.

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John wrote:
I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise.@
So still no proof of god. I bet your next post also has no proof of god in it.

You post an awful lot of sh*t john. But none of it is proof that you aren't mentally ill.
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Apr 5, 2013
 
@John Our resident Narcissus is requested further medical analysis.

Narcissistic people like John have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school.

Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy.
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Lincoln wrote:
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Stalin, one of your fellow atheists, killed tens of millions.
Together with
Trotsky,
Kamenev
Zinoviev
and other atheists.
Atheists in power are Not to be trusted
Indeed to the founder of communist doctrines, Karl Marx (1818-1883), atheism, was just a stage on the path to communism, and it was ultimately "unreal" and "no longer needed" by socialism and communism.

This is what Karl Marx himself said about atheism: "Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation."

Consider this statement carefully!

If Karl Marx, the intellectual founder of Marxism and communism, repudiated atheism as meaningless and no longer needed, how then could atheism be considered the cause of the atrocities committed under communism?

Atheism embodies no particular ideology, world view or dogma and cannot be justified as any significant factor in the activities of these people.

If anything, the lack of belief in a supernatural overlord leaves one to respect the importance of all of mankind peacefully coexisting, because unlike in religious doctrine, the penalties one may face for immoral acts are often levied in the material world, during the life of the perpetrator.

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Apr 5, 2013
 
John wrote:
^ Glad to keep getting reminded what atheism is really about. Of course you want to shirk any responsibility for your ideologies horrific consequences via Communism and the like.
2+2=4 and there was a historical Jesus. Arguing off topic facts is really telling. You don't believe anything in this arena has evidence though. Typical of the liberal atheist you think somehow marginalizing something else speaks to the merits of your own cause.
Tell me again how atheism is merely disbelief. I like to keep you guys occupied before you pick your next group of humanity to eradicate.
No evidence. No accountable position of belief. Mine is a prime mover. Next!
there was a historical jesus but his being a god is a myth as is the god of your cult. proven myth.

i clearly told you that atheism ISN"T disbelief. it is acknowledging that the religious cults of the world are known and proven myths.

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Apr 5, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
@John Our resident Narcissus is requested further medical analysis.
Narcissistic people like John have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school.
Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy.
I suspect even electro-shock is insufficient to jump-start what's left of John's non-working brains...
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Apr 5, 2013
 
Zip yourself up.
John wrote:
What a load of crap. Comes with the nothing I suppose. My points have exposed you for five years. Feel free to keep attacking Christianity with specifity. You skip a lot of steps in between but that's what you seek to destroy so knock yourselves out.
My posts are all that is necessary to deal with your so called nonclaim claim LOL. Still no evidence or accountable position of belief to debate vs a prime mover. Bigotry at its worst and intellectual cowardice beyond
compare.
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Apr 5, 2013
 
Stalinkilled tens of millions.
Together with
Trotsky,
Kamenev
Zinoviev
TheRed Guard
and other atheists of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the USSR.
No it was not religious people who carried out these murders

Atheists in power are Not to be trusted
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>why must you continue to post what you know are lies?!?
it was people of religious faith that killed all those people.
your cult cannot even teach people to be moral enough to not follow such dictators...
and it obviously cannot teach you to not lie like a gutter waif...
Look up the facts.
Atheists in power in communist countries killed millions of men, women and children.
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This mob mentality is typical of the liberal atheist. You better get with their agenda or else. No wonder when they achieve power people are butchered. Freethinkers my ass.

I wonder how many of you have tried to get me banned. I'm nuts according to you for believing in a prime mover. What should happen? Take away my phone/computer so my voice is silenced. Remove all sugar and other stimulants from my diet. Put a chip in me for tracking purposes. Nothing forbid if I owned, wait for it....the object that shall not be named.

What absolute cowards. You loons are scorned not because of disbelief but your little smarmy attitudes. This picture you like to paint of being on the side of facts, logic, evidence, and rationality is a hoot.

Not a one of you is able to address my reasonable questions. You certainly don't have a shot at debating your ???? vs my something.

Now get out your axes there are still a few billion believers out there.
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I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise.<
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No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.*
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I suspect even electro-shock is insufficient to jump-start what's left of John's non-working brains...
He has one brain cell left and its fighting for dominance.

It's impossible to get the big picture when you have a minuscule screen like John.

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John wrote:
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.*
Go Home John, for you are drunk.

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He has one brain cell left and its fighting for dominance.
It's impossible to get the big picture when you have a minuscule screen like John.
Indeed. And that one cell is losing the battle too...
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If you aren't fixated on what I believe, you are fixated on my life. No one notices your entire forum is about nothing. Your nonclaims are sooooo convincing.

The mayor and deputy of Stumpville teaming up. I thought libs were against bullying LOL.
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You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 67,880+ posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

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John wrote:
If you aren't fixated on what I believe, you are fixated on my life. No one notices your entire forum is about nothing. Your nonclaims are sooooo convincing.
The mayor and deputy of Stumpville teaming up. I thought libs were against bullying LOL.
Who Would Jesus Hate, John?

You certainly demonstrate how much HATE you have for atheists.

Your Jesus would be so proud of you, here...

I bet he'd hate all atheists too... right?

Right?
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Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. >

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John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya.
Who Would Jesus Hate, John?

You certainly demonstrate how much HATE you have for atheists.

Your Jesus would be so proud of you, here...

I bet he'd hate all atheists too... right?

Right?

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