Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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John wrote:
Nope. You don't believe in God yet you lash out against him. The lashing out takes place regardless of his existence or nonexistence. You're five years in to avoiding your nothing and fixating on God. I'm comfortable with that. You focus on your nothing/semantics.
Don't forget I've exposed your evidentiary standard and it is an atheism forum. Are you incapable of a comparative debate vs my oft cited accountable position? Why yes, yes you are. Now get your nothing out of here!
QFN club- quacks for nothing.
How could anyone lash out at something if they do not have that something in their minds as something that exists? If a non-believer lashes out it is at the person claiming there is a God and bashing the non-believer for not believing the same. I will attack a person who makes a claim that is known to be false, which believers have done so often on Topix.

I will lash out if a believer attacks someone because the believer 'thinks' that person is going to 'burn in Hell' for eternity because of his opinion. For one reason, since I know the principles of Christianity, I know that those kinds of actions of Christians is going against what their beliefs stand for. To point that out to somone is not lashing out at God, but attempting to make the other poster think about how they are being perceived, and how their approach is counter-productive to what they claim.

I cannot and will not provide "proof" for the non-existence of a god, because it is not a possible concept to prove nothing 'isn't'.

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John, is it possible that you could click on "reply" at the top right corner of the post you are responding to? That way we know to which post you refer when you provide a response. If that leaves you not enough space for your reply them delete part of the other's post, leaving enough so we at least know who it is, you are replying to.
I find often that when one replies the post they reply to is many pages previous to the reply, and so it is almost impossible to know what you are replying to, without taking hours to go back through all the pages of posts to find one that might correspond to what you appear to be posting about. If, as in a few cases, there are only a few or no other posters online, and you post to the last one and your post appears then right after the one you replied to, that then is easy to understand, but that hardly ever happens.
The one you were responding to is a copy/paste he posts on almost every new page of 20 comments....I believe it started as a reply to me weeks ago... But I'm not positive.

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John, it is a very simple to understand fact, that atheism does not have a means of proof. We can only prove what exists, if possible. Proving what doesn't exist fails right off the bat, because how do you prove nothing?
Gods are beings, if they exist that are not see, so for those that claim they exist, those people have to have some means of proving that existence to others who may not share that belief.
In 5 years or whatever, there is not yet a single piece of proof provided on Topix or anywhere else, of which I am aware, that "proves" the existence of a god or God.
Atheism is not a thing, it is the absence of a thing. An atheist has no belief in a deity, so what would motivate them to look for proof of something that they don't have in the first place.
Those atheists that actually take up some sort of cause are not marching to get people to worship the non-belief in a god; they are marching to fight various inequalities, evils, bigotry, and prejudices created or held by those who have a belief in an apparently non-existent god, and using this god as their authority to do evil.
People who actually write books or are militant about their atheism, as Dawkins and Barker might be considered, are those who have looked at the other side, or in the case of Barker, actually preached, and found that the other side was a falsehood. These people oppose the abuses of religion or beliefs in an invisible supernatural being.
We in the 21st century who still act as people did in ancient times, believing in unseen powers, have really stopped progressing in that area of of our lives, whereas the rest of life/the world has continue to move on and progressed with the knowledge of the time, not the knowledge of thousands of years ago.
One can understand and justify the belief in magic, and super beings in times when man had no means of discovering how things came about and why various things happen, but man has discovered much for which gods were given credit, and now we know that there is no god involved.
I envy your clarity.
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What a load of crap. Comes with the nothing I suppose. My points have exposed you for five years. Feel free to keep attacking Christianity with specifity. You skip a lot of steps in between but that's what you seek to destroy so knock yourselves out.

My posts are all that is necessary to deal with your so called nonclaim claim LOL. Still no evidence or accountable position of belief to debate vs a prime mover. Bigotry at its worst and intellectual cowardice beyond
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You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 67,850 + posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
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I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise.[
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, you been corrected on this many times previously...why do you continue to post what you know to be a lie?
it was by far mostly people of faith that did all the killing for Stalin.
sad that you have to lie about atheists to try and make them look bad...wouldn't your cult have something to say about such behavior?
Stalin, one of your fellow atheists, killed tens of millions.
Together with
Trotsky,
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Zinoviev
and other atheists.

Atheists in power are Not to be trusted

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Lincoln wrote:
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Stalin, one of your fellow atheists, killed tens of millions.
Together with
Trotsky,
Kamenev
Zinoviev
and other atheists.
Atheists in power are Not to be trusted
why must you continue to post what you know are lies?!?

it was people of religious faith that killed all those people.

your cult cannot even teach people to be moral enough to not follow such dictators...

and it obviously cannot teach you to not lie like a gutter waif...

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You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 67,850 + posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
still not one shred of evidence for your proven myths...

that is because they have already been proven to be myths...

you are a member of a cult that is based on proven lies. Proven lies.
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Apr 5, 2013
 
^ Glad to keep getting reminded what atheism is really about. Of course you want to shirk any responsibility for your ideologies horrific consequences via Communism and the like.

2+2=4 and there was a historical Jesus. Arguing off topic facts is really telling. You don't believe anything in this arena has evidence though. Typical of the liberal atheist you think somehow marginalizing something else speaks to the merits of your own cause.

Tell me again how atheism is merely disbelief. I like to keep you guys occupied before you pick your next group of humanity to eradicate.

No evidence. No accountable position of belief. Mine is a prime mover. Next!
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Has anyone told this other John guy that the scientific understanding of nothing is different than the mathematical concept of nothing? In the scientific sense if you have a box and you remove all of the air out of the box it is still filled with energy. That energy can not be sucked out of the box no matter how strong or sophisticated your equipment is. That lowest energy state of a vacuum is as close to nothing as anyone will ever get. But the seemingly empty box is still filled with something. Never will the box ever have everything removed from it. It is this nothing, this lowest energy level that the entire universe owes it's existence to. With this concept of nothingness the only kind of prime mover that is necessary is random fluctuations. Religious folks have trouble comprehending that at the universe's smallest scales randomness reins supreme. The idea, that a coin toss is all that determined our existence, is scary and unnerving. The atheist celebrate us winning the coin toss and enjoy studying the awesome outcome from such simple beginnings. Our position rest rock solid on a foundation of nothing - the scientific understanding of nothing, that is!
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Antitheists have trouble understanding design and order. Save your attempt at co-opting science as if it cements your nonposition.

The best you will do is the something from nothing conundrum. I said that five years ago. Has anyone explained to you that skipping steps with a starting point of energy no matter how infinitesimal still begs for an answer.

Enjoy the Christian scientific method.

Nothing, and next!
No evidence or accountable position of belief.
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Order can arise out of chaos, see Chaos Theory. Design is subjective not objective. Just because something looks like it has a purpose does not mean that the propose that it is fulfilling now is what it was designed for in the first place, if it was designed at all. If I use a pair of vice grips to operate the stearing wheel of my car does not mean that vice grips where designed for that purpose. Just because the orbit that the earth is in right now is advantageous to us doesn't mean that this orbit was selected for our benefit.
Something from nothing is only a conundrum if you don't understand the true nature of nothing.

There is nothing Christian about my scientific method.

The fact that nothingness is an un obtainable state seems to have escaped you.
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Nope its a conundrum with no added qualification needed. You seem to think you have a monopoly on science and belief in a prime mover is anti-science. It's an oft attempted tactic of the atheist. Let science weigh in on what its scope is.

You should try considering the totality of circumstance and other disciplines in your ahem freethinking. You can see this as an appeal to the majority if you choose but most of the worlds great thinkers have believed in a prime mover. Including those who created the way you test objective evidence.

Francis Collins has made the case for design in his studies mapping our genetic code. Probably a kook huh. There is no shortage of evidences pointing to design from umpteen disciplines. If you don't believe I could care less. I know absolutely no evidence satisfies you.

For instance how do you decide which is most or least likely: always was, prime mover, something from nothing. Show your work and make sure it meets the criteria you hold others accountable to.

If you understand mathematics whatsoever you you'd realize what your hanging your hat on is absurd. The sheer volume of time, chance etc is a hollow and weak argument BTW. Does math count or do we need a beaker and microscope to discern every piece of evidence.

Now, you weren't saying?
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John, why do you keep stating that this is "your forum"? This is a discussion site, and the topic states "Atheists on the march in America". I don't know the background from which the person who initiated this topic started it, but it could very well be a Christian who is concerned that atheism is taking over, or more correctly, beliefs are diminishing, which is actually the case. It is a topic for discussion. People can have views right across the spectrum on a topic, and those who like to discuss things come to these places to discuss whatever topic interests them.
I am interest in religion, and gods, from the view of how they have been a major influence in humanity in the past and are still influencing man today, even though not any of them have been verified to be true. Those who seem to be pushing religion at us today seem to have some pretty evil agendas, in that they use their beliefs to justify hatred and bigotry.
That kind of thing is what causes a lot of the problems in the world, and man needs to find ways of solving worldly problems using worldly means, because believing and praying to invisible beings to solve these problems has never had any effect, and never will.
Yes, there is much wrong doing in the world, not in the name of religions, but still worldly means to stop this wrong doing is still the only way that these things are ever going to change. Praying to God, or denigrating people because they don't follow a god, is not and will not fix anything.
You're replies to John have been accurate honest and sincere. Unfortunately this will fall on deaf ears with John.
Mohn is severely addicted to religion and has a profound hatred of atheists.

I belive he has a mental disorder which manifests itself with an inflated sense of his own importance and a deep need for admiration.

Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
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Interesting. How much do I owe you for the analysis stumpee?

No evidence. No accountable position of belief. Next!
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I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise.@
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Loving the strawmen @nothing##march
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Lincoln wrote:
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Stalin, one of your fellow atheists, killed tens of millions.
Together with
Trotsky,
Kamenev
Zinoviev
and other atheists.
Atheists in power are Not to be trusted
If not for theists the World Trade Center (among 100's of thousands of other examples) would still be standing and those thousand's of American lives would not have been taken. Religion is killing the planet. Of course, every day more and more people are seeing religion for what it is, a fairy tale that has lost it's usefulness. Some day it will die.(I hope)

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John wrote:
Nothing vs something is the start point. Your forum. I'll wait or laugh at years of posts for nothing.
Who Would Jesus Hate, John?

You certainly demonstrate how much HATE you have for atheists.

Your Jesus would be so proud of you, here...

I bet he'd hate all atheists too... right?

Right?

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