Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#70906 Apr 8, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>What bigot? Black does not matter to you bigots when you are describing success. You racist bigots are afraid to admit that blacks were the ones who brought civilization to Caucus Mountain uncivilized white cave men.
Don't worry, I expect stupidity from your village. Keep doing what you do best, representing your village as the Village Idiot. I mean this literally, you are a racist due to your non-accomplished living.
Good night. I am sure that you will spend the rest of the night, whining about being exposed as a racist.
You are a racist sir.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#70907 Apr 8, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Boooots, if is up to you to go back and read the thread contents or not. In any case, I can assure John that your ignorance and lack of worth is not worthy of your delusion. Since, you do not believe that a "prime mover: can be proven by man, then your request is just out of stupidity.
If you have nothing to prove, then shut up, because no one asked you or even cared what you might think. Really, proof of a negative can not be proven? That is just stupid. I can prove that I am not God, and I can also prove that you do not have much in your bank account.
If you can not prove that something does not exist, then the smart position for you would be agnosticism but you choose the dumb road.
What more must we be agnostic about? Hobgoblins, talking Rhinos, genies, Fairies, witches?

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#70908 Apr 8, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Let me ask you this, why would you continue to care about a man named Jesus and what he cares, if you claim that he did not exist.
Because Jesusfreaks like you continue to use him to oppress people.
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>
Please explain how any religion could be evil? How could religion have human qualities? Do you think that your house is evil? Do you think that math is evil?
Religion is an idea, a way of life. A house is just an object. The fact that you can compare those two shows that you are an idiot.
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, what we find throughout history is you gays killing yourselves, other gays and children. Now, you wish to pretend that you gay atheists did not kill Jews and Christians, and enslave blacks, but you did.
Most killings have been done by Christians and Muxxies

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#70909 Apr 8, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, if you cared to go to school, then you would know that Hindus and Buddhists share the same God, and the same as Jews and Christians. It is a matter of perspective and Hindus also have other gods within their religion. Now, would be time for you to learn something, go to school and don't be a fool who acts like a tool. Your closed-minded attempt did not work. Next time seek information before you go on a rant based on your delusions.
Besides, why would I have to prove to you that their gods exist or do not exist, when you do not believe that they do. Sorry, you are the atheist and your claim is that neither the Hindu gods, Buddhist God or Christian God exists. In fact, it is the same God.
Now, get an education and the proof called a life worth living.
Buddhists do not have a god,dummy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism
Hindus worship anything as a god, a belief that is not consistent with the monotheism of the Abrahamic gods.
John

United States

#70910 Apr 8, 2013
The only thing we seem to agree on is that Christianity has been the greatest institution for good the world has ever known
John

United States

#70911 Apr 8, 2013
How do you know you aren't gay Bob? Perhaps social mores and upbringing has clouded your judgment. Are you anti-science as well? An orgasm releases chemicals that create a feeling of pleasure. You claim no moral qualms with homosexual sex and have described it as natural and normal. You hate gays and are intolerant. Increase your odds, unless you are a bigot.
Feelings can't be trusted. Go with the science.'
John

United States

#70912 Apr 8, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence Bob, Septic, Tinkling,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 68,080+ posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
John

United States

#70913 Apr 8, 2013
I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise. 5
John

United States

#70914 Apr 8, 2013
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. 1
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#70915 Apr 8, 2013
John, no one is fighting God. Just as no one is fighting Zeus or any other imaginary character. Crazy John :)
John K

Medina, OH

#70916 Apr 8, 2013
I will note that the other John is hard to debate with since he only seem to cut and past the same replays over and over.
Imhotep

Winter Garden, FL

#70917 Apr 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
John hasn't posted anything new in months-- he has cut-and-pasted the same sh7t so often, I recognize it from the first couple of words-- so I know it's safe to skip over. Nothing new.
I doubt he's capable of an actual, original thought-- that would literally break his head.
I notice things in his pabulum only by accident either in the opening statement or at the end as I'm scanning for something interesting much like fast forwarding through commercials on the old VCRs.

John is the Ginsu knife salesman of this thread!

Ten to one says he's Republican retard, Bitter over resounding defeat - the worst in history for the Grand obstructionist party!

I just don't have your stamina to work up enough energy to reply to anything by John.

What surprises me is he is obviously spanning this thread.

one would assume topics administrators would put a stop to that.
John

United States

#70918 Apr 8, 2013
John K wrote:
I will note that the other John is hard to debate with since he only seem to cut and past the same replays over and over.
I will note you loons are purposefully obtuse and rephrasing nothing for five years is insanity. My posts just show your hypocrisy and avoidance. Your forum is a farce.
John

United States

#70919 Apr 8, 2013
@Imhotep. Shocker you trot out more nothing. 90 million out of the labor force under the fuhrer Obama. We know liberal atheists need to be led. Don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda.

Atheism and Obama, a one-two punch of failure.
John

United States

#70920 Apr 8, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. 2

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#70921 Apr 8, 2013
John wrote:
@Imhotep. Shocker you trot out more nothing. 90 million out of the labor force under the fuhrer Obama. We know liberal atheists need to be led. Don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda.
Atheism and Obama, a one-two punch of failure.
So no proof of god then.
Imhotep

Winter Garden, FL

#70922 Apr 8, 2013
2012 CONSERATIVE/REPUBLICAN PLATFORM

1. The inerrant bible trumps the constitution
2. Evolution and Global warming are a hoax
3. College students and those seeking education are snobs
4. Gay Americans are an abomination
5. Poor people deserve to be poor
6. Union workers are socialists
7. The unemployed are lazy parasites unwilling to work
8. 50% of Latinos are illegal until proven otherwise
9. Women using birth control are sluts
10. Corporations are people

GOP=Global Oligarchy ParlimentParty

Rule by the few, often seen as having self-serving ends. Aristotle used the term pejoratively for unjust rule by bad men, contrasting oligarchy with rule by an aristocracy. Most classic oligarchies have resulted when governing elites were recruited exclusively from a ruling class, which tends to exercise power in its own interest.

Obama is not as robust as I hoped but still is better than entrenched power. Bush left behind a daunting task for ANY politician. It will take much longer than 8 years to undo the Bush legacy of dishonor and shame. Mission accomplished Dubya!

Fathom the Hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured... but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.

Bush will be remembered as the worst president in recent US history.

I do not vote. There is NO point. The country is already 'owned'.

And... don't give me that old lame excuse "If you don't vote you cannot complain"

WRONG!- It is the voters that elect these mammals, not me. I'm willing to except whomever they put in office and work around them.

IF... you want change - all incumbants should be immediately voted out of office regardless of party or record.

This, of course, will never occur.

@john - Sides with Clint Eastwood a man who after a lifetime of stunning achievements in Hollywood, reduced himself to a senile buffoon, Talking to an empty chair at the Republican convention. What a shame

Are you going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?
John

United States

#70923 Apr 8, 2013
Not as robust as you had hoped lmao. I skimmed your post knowing you are already an exposed loom adding Obama on top of it.

Let's see if you can present a factual case for Obama better than your atheism.

Can you provide three policies that have worked without requiring more government? Save your feelings, let's try facts and actual #'s. Should be easy but he has bankrupted future generations to plummet this one LOL.

Anyone cheerleading for Obamas ideology at this point is either an anti-American radical or mind boggling stupid.
John

United States

#70924 Apr 8, 2013
Blame Bush, blame God, blame, march, march, hate, advance the failure, take the freedom, march, hate God, hate capitalism, hate, hate, end with a coexist bumper sticker.
John

United States

#70925 Apr 8, 2013
Obamas presidency has been about as robust as Ted Kennedy's Chappaquiddick island drive with Mary Jo Kopechne.

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