Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Are you familiar with the Westboro baptist church? If you aren't already a member you may be interested in joining. They also shift the hate to god and the bible to convince themselves they aren't bigots.
If you, like most Christians, don't think the Westboro baptist church gives Christianity a good image.... Then maybe some introspection is in order.
Yep.

Her bigotry is ... as gross as the Westburough bigots.

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You can't force your belief on institutions or individuals that don't agree with you. If I don't want my child taught by a crossdresser its not hate. If I don't want my child educated that homosexual sex is a perfectly acceptable choice that is natural and right its not hate. If I don't want girls in the boy scouts its not hate.
Yes it is bigotry and HATE, you hate-filled bigot.

But that's only to be expected from a NOTHING.

What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....
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Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
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John wrote:
Fair enough. I did respond. Now and then I do interject on whatever side tangent is thrown out there. It's almost always some sort of off topic tangent though now isn't it. Almost as if there is a liberal atheist playbook.
I don't need a definition of bigotry. My evidence is all over these posts.
I only see the comments you respond to directly. It is very possible the people you respond to have made bigoted comments in the past that I haven't seen... I just haven't seen any in the comments that you directly respond to while calling them bigots.
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Your definition of hate or intolerance don't necessarily jibe with mine. There is a difference between forced compliance to your version of tolerance and hate. I asked my questions for a reason.
You can't force your belief on institutions or individuals that don't agree with you. If I don't want my child taught by a crossdresser its not hate. If I don't want my child educated that homosexual sex is a perfectly acceptable choice that is natural and right its not hate. If I don't want girls in the boy scouts its not hate.
I don't understand what is being forced. I simply don't see it. Maybe you could give an example. I see wanting things to be allowed while I am against discrimination.
In your examples... I think a teacher should be hired by their education and experience, etc... Not by what they might choose to do in their personal lives separate from their professional life unless it is harmful. Many teachers are heavy drinkers. If they come in drunk or teach kids to drink alcohol.. We have a problem.
I don't have a position on teaching that homosexual sex is perfectly acceptable but I'm pretty sure it's just mentioned that it happens... Not encouraged. I feel like it would be like being upset that my kids are being taught that Americans are murderers and it is acceptable because we are taught about wars in history.
And finally... A girl in Boy Scouts... That's fine to reject... They have Girl Scouts to make that one fair already. Lol
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You are simply trying to foist your version of tolerance on me. Anything doesn't go. Westboro is a far cry from what's been stated in this forum on the subject.
It's intolerant to try and force your views on me. I think its wrong. Try as you might the founding fathers built this country on tolerance and inalienable rights. God given BTW.
I just want to say again that I don't know what is being forced. Nothing they want is hurting anyone.
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Go research why psychologists changed their diagnosis of homosexuality. Another example of agenda corrupting science.
I don't believe in hate crimes by the way. Murder is murder. Rape is rape. Assault is assault.
I want to see where you stand on this. What's your line.? Specifically, should organizations that believe homosexual sex is wrong be forced to accept and condone the behavior?
I just want equality. I think if a church is against homosexual marriage, they should not be forced to marry homosexuals. I think if a church is ok with it... They should be allowed. Religion isn't required to be legally married. Atheists can get married.
I am also not ok with assault, rape, and murder. These acts are not consensual and do cause physical and emotional damage. Two people wanting to be committed to each other don't fit here.

If it is about the bedroom acts... Marriage will not stop that from happening. Also man can perform similar acts with a woman. It's inconsistent.

I don't expect to convince anyone of anything. Im just letting you know where I stand and I am open for criticism.

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Absolutely. Right back at ya.
What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....
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Have to keep this reply short due to time constraints. I must admit I didn't cringe when reading your reply LOL. If you care I would ask you to look at some court decisions on this subject. What you and I might feel is a reasonable line to draw is definitely not the end game. It rarely is. Forced acceptance and compliance is, up to and including rejecting personal and institutional beliefs.
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I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise%
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Seems like you understand a prime mover is an accountable position of belief I will debate vs any other. Now you just have to stop being a coward and provide one of your own. It is YOUR forum, not mine.
Of course you lied and said this has been done hundreds of times. Lying for nothing is the atheist way. Tsk, tsk, how intolerant a group you are. Great killers though. I'll give you that.:
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No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
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No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.'
You took up 4 posts just to admit that you have no proof of god and that you're a liar lying about god.

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John wrote:
No they are fighting/lashing out at God.
Atheists lack belief in god you deliberately ignorant f*ck.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I always try to watch out for someone who is honest--even if that honest is not exactly how I think.
For example, I can almost respect a religious person who is willing to debate and defend his beliefs based entirely on >>rational<< and >>logical<< arguments.
Alas, these are far-and-few-- most religious folk I meet on Topix, are as dishonest as the cliche used car salesman.
I blame the fact that they were fed a diet of theological lies from babyhood, such that they don't consider dishonesty to be an issue at all.
Nothing-John is a classic example of such lying; he lies so often, he no longer realizes the difference between a lie and not-lie.
Sad, really.
I find these religious people Hilarious in the extreme. What kind of mental psychosis draws them here - it just doesn't make any sense to me

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I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise%
What is an "accountable position"?

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I find these religious people Hilarious in the extreme. What kind of mental psychosis draws them here - it just doesn't make any sense to me
They are insecure in their beliefs.
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They are insecure in their beliefs.
I think I consider it a obsessive-compulsive disorder.
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They are insecure in their beliefs.


If they are insecure they belong in a religious forum where people can build up their faith.

In the atheist forum , where faith/belief is truly ignored, what's the point?

There are simply no customers for the product they're trying to sell
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Indeed-- it's pretty obvious Nothing-John is a closet gay-homosexual.
All that suppression has made him insane.
I've noticed a disturbance in the force with this one!

He certainly is a reactive person - bigoted in the extreme.

I wonder what drives the mind of an individual like this? I think religious dogma scatters their psyche - some individuals to lose the ability to function in a normal manner.

Think of all the effort it takes to post this tripe endlessly - to what purpose? as far as I can see that's a complete waste of time
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You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 67,640 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

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Have to keep this reply short due to time constraints. I must admit I didn't cringe when reading your reply LOL. If you care I would ask you to look at some court decisions on this subject. What you and I might feel is a reasonable line to draw is definitely not the end game. It rarely is. Forced acceptance and compliance is, up to and including rejecting personal and institutional beliefs.
What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....

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John wrote:
I'm glad we have
What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....

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