Atheists on the march in America

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When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70425 Apr 1, 2013
Ranx wrote:
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That's comedy gold, seeing someone complain about a lack of intelligent debate while falling back to an attack on their maturity.
Cognitive Dissonance is strong in this one.
Yes it is.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70426 Apr 1, 2013
John wrote:
Now Bob is using gay people to cover for his nothing. I disagree with homosexual sex Bob. Do you have a problem with that? Liberal atheists are tyrants. When atheists achieve power freedom goes and the death toll mounts.
What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70427 Apr 1, 2013
John wrote:
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.* shame reminder- Bob has been proven a liar.
What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70428 Apr 1, 2013
John wrote:
Now Bob is using gay people ...
No-- I fight for the RIGHTS of EVERYONE.

Including gay people.

In direct contrast to YOU, who would hang all gays from the nearest tree, if you could.

Your hate-cult is well known for it's atrocity.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70429 Apr 1, 2013
John wrote:
Did you just add nothing to your nothing forum? You did.
Have I exposed your evidentiary standard? I have.
Do you want to compare the evidences/reasons to believe in a prime mover vs any other accountable position of belief. You don't.
Scurry away now. You're nothing drive by is complete.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70430 Apr 1, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Aren't those items a prerequisite to the faith?
You are a seasoned veteran of topix while I am relatively new. I must admit I expected more in these forums than proselytizing, Brain-dead goofballs.
I've noticed that you do tend to be frank , honest and serious. Congrats!
You Sir, have the patience of Job - I do not.
I just can't take these people serious Enough to warrant a response.
;-)
:)

I always try to watch out for someone who is honest--even if that honest is not exactly how I think.

For example, I can almost respect a religious person who is willing to debate and defend his beliefs based entirely on >>rational<< and >>logical<< arguments.

Alas, these are far-and-few-- most religious folk I meet on Topix, are as dishonest as the cliche used car salesman.

I blame the fact that they were fed a diet of theological lies from babyhood, such that they don't consider dishonesty to be an issue at all.

Nothing-John is a classic example of such lying; he lies so often, he no longer realizes the difference between a lie and not-lie.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70431 Apr 1, 2013
Tidbits wrote:
<quoted text>
Myrtle Manor.
Gaudy, baudy and tacky, but with some retention of FAMILY values...respect of others. Please have some decency.
Better than watching slobbering, rabid dogs in heat, that's for sure.
I have no freakin' idea what you were trying to say, here.

Seriously-- I have no clue at all what you just said.

WTF?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70432 Apr 1, 2013
Tidbits wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is NO excuse to harm others in any way, shape. form or fashion.
None whatsoever.
But it's okay to hurt others with RELIGION, then?

WTF?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70433 Apr 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I believe you talk about gays too much.
<quoted text>
Indeed-- it's pretty obvious Nothing-John is a closet gay-homosexual.

All that suppression has made him insane.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70434 Apr 1, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not hate =. It's the word of the God I follow.
False-- the BuyBull you worship like a god, is 100% pure unadulterated hate.

No getting around that one, bigot.
Mary Magdalena wrote:
I cannot stop your gayness, nor would I ever try.
How big of you, bigot-- but I'm not gay. Are you?

You seem too defensive of it, here.
Mary Magdalena wrote:
The Bible tells me where you're going and how God will judge you. That's enough for me. You have yourself a real nice day now.
M&M
Your hate is showing, bigot.

But then again? That's only to be expected from a bigot such as you.

Classic hate from a Genuine Christian™

I expect that if your god WAS real? You'd be one of the first on the chopping-block, for all your hate.
Mary Magdalena wrote:
Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
So it's okay to tell a WOMAN lies, then? But you are not supposed to lie to men?

That's kinda a weird thing to say... but let's read the chapter, and see if you follow IT, shall we?

++++++++++

Leviticus 19:7
And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.

So if you eat food that is 3 DAYS OLD-- you are breaking the law. I bet you have BREAD that is older than that-- and you ate-- and you DEFILED your god.

++++++++++
Leviticus 19, continued

9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.

10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.

So. Do you allow for the poor? Or are you AGAINST any and all helping-hands for the poor? I bet you are against ALL welfare.

You hypocrite, you.

++++++++++

Let's go on....

Leviticus 20:9

9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

So. How many back-talking children have you murdered lately, as REQUIRED by your evil book?

Hmmm?

I bet none. But I could be wrong-- you do seem to be full of hate for everyone.

So you COULD be one of those child-killers....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70435 Apr 1, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
One is natural the other is perverted.
Define "natural".

Let's look around the earth-- are there homosexual behaviors in nature?

Yep.

No mammal species is exempt from homosexuals within their groups. None.

That's about as natural as it gets.

But your HATE prevents you from seeing the FACTS.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70436 Apr 1, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you familiar with the Westboro baptist church? If you aren't already a member you may be interested in joining. They also shift the hate to god and the bible to convince themselves they aren't bigots.
If you, like most Christians, don't think the Westboro baptist church gives Christianity a good image.... Then maybe some introspection is in order.
Yep.

Her bigotry is ... as gross as the Westburough bigots.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70437 Apr 1, 2013
John wrote:
You can't force your belief on institutions or individuals that don't agree with you. If I don't want my child taught by a crossdresser its not hate. If I don't want my child educated that homosexual sex is a perfectly acceptable choice that is natural and right its not hate. If I don't want girls in the boy scouts its not hate.
Yes it is bigotry and HATE, you hate-filled bigot.

But that's only to be expected from a NOTHING.

What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....
John

United States

#70438 Apr 1, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suitˇ

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#70439 Apr 1, 2013
John wrote:
Fair enough. I did respond. Now and then I do interject on whatever side tangent is thrown out there. It's almost always some sort of off topic tangent though now isn't it. Almost as if there is a liberal atheist playbook.
I don't need a definition of bigotry. My evidence is all over these posts.
I only see the comments you respond to directly. It is very possible the people you respond to have made bigoted comments in the past that I haven't seen... I just haven't seen any in the comments that you directly respond to while calling them bigots.
John wrote:
Your definition of hate or intolerance don't necessarily jibe with mine. There is a difference between forced compliance to your version of tolerance and hate. I asked my questions for a reason.
You can't force your belief on institutions or individuals that don't agree with you. If I don't want my child taught by a crossdresser its not hate. If I don't want my child educated that homosexual sex is a perfectly acceptable choice that is natural and right its not hate. If I don't want girls in the boy scouts its not hate.
I don't understand what is being forced. I simply don't see it. Maybe you could give an example. I see wanting things to be allowed while I am against discrimination.
In your examples... I think a teacher should be hired by their education and experience, etc... Not by what they might choose to do in their personal lives separate from their professional life unless it is harmful. Many teachers are heavy drinkers. If they come in drunk or teach kids to drink alcohol.. We have a problem.
I don't have a position on teaching that homosexual sex is perfectly acceptable but I'm pretty sure it's just mentioned that it happens... Not encouraged. I feel like it would be like being upset that my kids are being taught that Americans are murderers and it is acceptable because we are taught about wars in history.
And finally... A girl in Boy Scouts... That's fine to reject... They have Girl Scouts to make that one fair already. Lol
John wrote:
You are simply trying to foist your version of tolerance on me. Anything doesn't go. Westboro is a far cry from what's been stated in this forum on the subject.
It's intolerant to try and force your views on me. I think its wrong. Try as you might the founding fathers built this country on tolerance and inalienable rights. God given BTW.
I just want to say again that I don't know what is being forced. Nothing they want is hurting anyone.
John wrote:
Go research why psychologists changed their diagnosis of homosexuality. Another example of agenda corrupting science.
I don't believe in hate crimes by the way. Murder is murder. Rape is rape. Assault is assault.
I want to see where you stand on this. What's your line.? Specifically, should organizations that believe homosexual sex is wrong be forced to accept and condone the behavior?
I just want equality. I think if a church is against homosexual marriage, they should not be forced to marry homosexuals. I think if a church is ok with it... They should be allowed. Religion isn't required to be legally married. Atheists can get married.
I am also not ok with assault, rape, and murder. These acts are not consensual and do cause physical and emotional damage. Two people wanting to be committed to each other don't fit here.

If it is about the bedroom acts... Marriage will not stop that from happening. Also man can perform similar acts with a woman. It's inconsistent.

I don't expect to convince anyone of anything. Im just letting you know where I stand and I am open for criticism.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70440 Apr 1, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya.
What is your ARGUMENT for your ... ahem... "prime mover", John?

What's that?

You do not HAVE one?

Wow.... that's kinda sad, buddy.

5 years of your NOTHING, just wasted effort-- you haven't converted even ONE person to your nothing....
John

United States

#70441 Apr 2, 2013
@empatheist

Have to keep this reply short due to time constraints. I must admit I didn't cringe when reading your reply LOL. If you care I would ask you to look at some court decisions on this subject. What you and I might feel is a reasonable line to draw is definitely not the end game. It rarely is. Forced acceptance and compliance is, up to and including rejecting personal and institutional beliefs.
John

United States

#70442 Apr 2, 2013
I'm glad we have established your forum has no accountable position of belief or adequate way to weigh evidence.
If that's all you have, its duly noted. I'm not alluding that I think you have an agenda, I know you do. Four years of posting accusations and attacks against Christianity confirms that.
Now if you don't believe in God what's the fixation? You don't believe anything is evidence in this arena. I'm not going to fend off multiple and repeated questions in your forum. You folks are the ones running from any substantive debate. If that's because your nonposition doesn't allow it then stop the lunacy of trying to make your disbelief relevant. One sentence sums up atheism.
Your continued attempts to marginalize belief is entirely different than simply not believing. Most of the world believes something larger than us is responsible for the universe. There are many reasons and rationales why that belief persists. This conclusion is derived in different ways by different people. Some come to the decision based on logic and evidence. Many ex-atheists become believers in this manner. C.S. Lewis being one. To me these are some of the more interesting thinkers on the subject.
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and sees design. The list is endless and isn't pigeonholed by only one discipline. I don't debate nothing. Do your own homework I'd you want but this narrative you want to convey that belief is absurd and has absolutely no evidence I reject. What I do know is no evidence is good for YOU. Fair enough. Going further and marginalizing belief as you sit on the fence is childish.
There is a reason you don't want to debate your nothing vs my something. You don't know where to begin. I do. I don't care if it satisfies you or not. This is your forum. I don't debate nothing and won't apologize for it.
I will accept your apologies for spending four years attacking reasoned faith you don't have in your own forum. Talk about bait and switch LOL.
....and empatheist no need to apologize for not submitting the second half. It is tiring and you just started. Try to remember that. You are dealing with just a few theists as opposed to the dozens of antitheists I am. Yet another reason I don't feel an obligation to address every nonsensical claim thrown into the mix. You want a debate. You know the terms.
I find it interesting that the evidentiary standard you use and I've exposed is the sole barometer you want to weigh my evidence in your forum is. It must be easy to attack, question, ad infinitum from the fence. Anyone can throw monkey shyte.
....so, another day of bigot marching begins. Little Kim Jongs making noise%
John

United States

#70443 Apr 2, 2013
Seems like you understand a prime mover is an accountable position of belief I will debate vs any other. Now you just have to stop being a coward and provide one of your own. It is YOUR forum, not mine.
Of course you lied and said this has been done hundreds of times. Lying for nothing is the atheist way. Tsk, tsk, how intolerant a group you are. Great killers though. I'll give you that.:
John

United States

#70444 Apr 2, 2013
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
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