Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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John

United States

#70761 Apr 6, 2013
No historical Jesus? You know nothing of history. I suggest you visit the library for posting such stupidity. I'm not going down this rabbit hole either. I've proven several of you liars and you just keep on marching.

Who else shall we scrub from history?

You have brought nothing from your first post to last.

What do you believe?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70762 Apr 6, 2013
John wrote:
So it is nothing LOL. That took five years and tens of thousands of posts. Lmao, thank you.
Bob believes in invisible dragons and avoidance.
Why won't you have sex with men Bob? Perhaps you were conditioned by our societal norms. Get naked and see what happens. You owe yourself that. Unless you hate. Do you hate gays Bob?
I believe you are a demonstrated idiot.

I believe you are also hateful in the extreme; your bigotry extends to many others in the world, but especially to everyone who doesn't buy into your hateful delusions.

I believe you have been shown to be an uneducated moron.

I believe you actually think that the ReThuglicans give a sh7t about.... you. When reality suggests that the only thing ReThuglicans give a sh7t about, is the top 1%. Which you clearly are not a member of.

I believe you are uneducated, and likely never completed high school.

Shall I go on?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70763 Apr 6, 2013
John wrote:
No historical Jesus?
Correct: there is zero secular support for a historical jewsus.

None.

All that there is? Is considered fraud, and added much later.

But even if it wasn't? It's too late: 120 years too late.

So no-- there was no historical jewsus.

I believe you are an idiot.
John

United States

#70764 Apr 6, 2013
Yes, go on with you whackadoodle libspeak. You hate gays. What's the point of proving you a liar yet one more time.

Two-time Obama voter and apologist. 90 million out of the labor force. Misery index at record levels.

Every side you choose is the wrong one.

Yes, do go on. You're a useful idiot.

Nothing about atheism whatsoever. These loons don't even hide their bigotry. You will be driven back. Keep pushing.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#70768 Apr 6, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>You sir are a bigot, and your derogatory reference to Jews is because you are a self hating gay.
Please explain how secularism has anything to do with historical records. Do you drive a secular car or live in a secular trailer?
How odd, the entire construct of evolution is derived from much later and in most cases, the claim is 11 billion years later.
I believe that an idiot enters into the room at the very singular time that you enter, respectfully.
So no evidence of god then. Just checking.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70769 Apr 7, 2013
John wrote:
Yes, go on with you whackadoodle libspeak. You hate gays. What's the point of proving you a liar yet one more time.
Two-time Obama voter and apologist. 90 million out of the labor force. Misery index at record levels.
Every side you choose is the wrong one.
Yes, do go on. You're a useful idiot.
Nothing about atheism whatsoever. These loons don't even hide their bigotry. You will be driven back. Keep pushing.
I believe you are a demonstrated idiot.

I believe you are also hateful in the extreme; your bigotry extends to many others in the world, but especially to everyone who doesn't buy into your hateful delusions.

I believe you have been shown to be an uneducated moron.

I believe you actually think that the ReThuglicans give a sh7t about.... you. When reality suggests that the only thing ReThuglicans give a sh7t about, is the top 1%. Which you clearly are not a member of.

I believe you are uneducated, and likely never completed high school.

Shall I go on?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70770 Apr 7, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Since, I am a historian, I do not need to go to a library. You know, a library that makes claims like Columbus discovering America in 1492.
That was obvious from the start: that you don't "need" to use .... actual facts.

Even the most casual of observation of your silly posts proves this to be true: you and facts are unacquainted.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70771 Apr 7, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>You sir are a bigot, and your derogatory reference to Jews is because you are a self hating gay.
I am not gay. I am a straight male, who happens to believe in EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW.

But that is not something YOU believe in is it?

You believe in INEQUALITY-- special privilege for those in power, and damn-all to those who are not.

Just as your ugly bible teaches, point of fact.

Your hate, your obvious depravity has not gone unnoticed.
Imhotep

Winter Garden, FL

#70772 Apr 7, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe you are a demonstrated idiot.
I believe you are also hateful in the extreme; your bigotry extends to many others in the world, but especially to everyone who doesn't buy into your hateful delusions.
I believe you have been shown to be an uneducated moron.
I believe you actually think that the ReThuglicans give a sh7t about.... you. When reality suggests that the only thing ReThuglicans give a sh7t about, is the top 1%. Which you clearly are not a member of.
I believe you are uneducated, and likely never completed high school.
Shall I go on?
Absolutely Robert, continue the assault on this idiot! I can't bring myself to respond to this mammal - actually he doesn't deserve any response.

I consider this a study in stupidity and ignorance.
And John has this in spades! I doubt he attends any church but if he did and they saw any of his responses they throw him out of his ear.

I skip down to the next name that doesn't say John. occasionally, with you being the exception, i don't read any response to John.

This guy is a bottom feeder that craves attention and I'm not in the business of feeding these juvenile minds. I prefer to let them copy paste away.

I know you enjoy trouncing this cretin however.

He has nothing to say hence the endless copy paste besides I doubt he understands anything that anyone on this forum posts.

Seething hatred is all he has.

John is a total waste of time and effort

if there were a god - she's probably saying boy I screwed this one up royally! Even my pal Satan won't have anything to do with him.
Imhotep

Winter Garden, FL

#70773 Apr 7, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
I tend to agree with you and you have expressed it more eloquently than I could have.:)
I just thought I'd give you heads up! ;)

you seemed new to this forum and you should ignore certain people who don't merit any response whatever. The content of their post is all you need To ignore them or have a good belly laugh!

This particular mammal is of no value whatever and there's plenty here that have lots to say.

John warrants utter contempt. Sympathy is completely out of the question as far as I'm concerned.
John K

Cleveland, OH

#70774 Apr 7, 2013
This is for the other John. I have arrived at my position of nothing by the following process.

Born atheist. Parents, family members, friends, teachers, priest , nuns, and strangers, indoctrinated me into their cult of Roman Catholism. Once I was old enough to read I would read the paper every morning. Not just the comics but also the rest of it, even the editorial pages. The local paper was lucky to have some folks that would write letters to the editor that debated the god question. Lucky for me the editor published those letters and I read them. This perked my curiosity. So I read all of the grown up books I could about religion. The history of religion is what really was the key.(Time Life Books put out a beautiful photographic essay on the history of religion, my parents made the mistake of buying this book and left it laying around the house, what fools!)

By reading about the histories of religions it became quite obvious that they were all made up. By reading comparative religious studies it became obvious that the newer religions steal and borrow ideas and stories from the older ones. This process makes the study of them difficult but quite interesting at the same time.

At the same time that I was reading about the history of religion I was reading about science and it's history. Comparing the two histories it seemed that one progressed while the other did not. As an endeavor science seems to get more bang for the buck than religion. With just a few thousand dollars the Wright brothers brought us controlled flight. Einstein gave us Relativity for the cost of some penciles and paper. Same for Newton's work on gravity. It just seemed to me that science produces greater results than religion and at a fraction of the cost. And the benefit to humanity from science far out weighs the benefits of religion.

So that is why I am on the science side. As to the question as to the ultimate cause of the universe, I stand with science on this one also.

Science says it doesn't know the ultimate cause of the universe. Science so far can get us back to the first fractions of the first second of this universe. But that's as far as we are at this time. In the next century there may be more to say on this. Possibly this new information we just got about the Higgs particle will get us closer to a definitive answer. But right now all we know is that energy can not be created or destroyed and that everything is made of it. We all came into existence through a long process of energy. That is it. There is no need to discuse about gods,spirits, or other supernatural stuff. Energy is what made all of this, end of story.

If there is such a thing as a prime mover it is probably just energy. No intelligence behind it just energy. The exchange of energy is able to pop matter into and out of existence.(This has been proven by some wonderfully cool experiments that are probably above the average persons understanding, so it is hard to explain to the laity.)

As for evolution doubters there is a real elegant experiment that has been on going for over 30 years that shows a bacteria culture evolving the ability to ingest and metabolize citrus, where as it's great, great, great, great, great, great ..........grand parents could not.(We are talking about thirty years of bacteria here.) This experiment shows how mutations from multiple generations can link up to create new useful functions. This is us being a witness to evolution. And it is a real knife in the back to the intelligent design folks.

As I look at the word count it looks like I am just about up. So I hope this clears up my personal "position on nothing". The main thing about my position is it is an honest look at reality and no wishfull thinking on my part. To not know all of the answers to all of the question is ok. To use methods that have proven track records to learn more is the best I can do for now. Realizing my limitations is not a weakness but a strength. The end.
John K

Cleveland, OH

#70776 Apr 7, 2013
This is for the other John. I have arrived at my position of nothing by the following process.

Born atheist. Parents, family members, friends, teachers, priest , nuns, and strangers, indoctrinated me into their cult of Roman Catholism. Once I was old enough to read I would read the paper every morning. Not just the comics but also the rest of it, even the editorial pages. The local paper was lucky to have some folks that would write letters to the editor that debated the god question. Lucky for me the editor published those letters and I read them. This perked my curiosity. So I read all of the grown up books I could about religion. The history of religion is what really was the key.(Time Life Books put out a beautiful photographic essay on the history of religion, my parents made the mistake of buying this book and left it laying around the house, what fools!)

By reading about the histories of religions it became quite obvious that they were all made up. By reading comparative religious studies it became obvious that the newer religions steal and borrow ideas and stories from the older ones. This process makes the study of them difficult but quite interesting at the same time.

At the same time that I was reading about the history of religion I was reading about science and it's history. Comparing the two histories it seemed that one progressed while the other did not. As an endeavor science seems to get more bang for the buck than religion. With just a few thousand dollars the Wright brothers brought us controlled flight. Einstein gave us Relativity for the cost of some penciles and paper. Same for Newton's work on gravity. It just seemed to me that science produces greater results than religion and at a fraction of the cost. And the benefit to humanity from science far out weighs the benefits of religion.

So that is why I am on the science side. As to the question as to the ultimate cause of the universe, I stand with science on this one also.

Science says it doesn't know the ultimate cause of the universe. Science so far can get us back to the first fractions of the first second of this universe. But that's as far as we are at this time. In the next century there may be more to say on this. Possibly this new information we just got about the Higgs particle will get us closer to a definitive answer. But right now all we know is that energy can not be created or destroyed and that everything is made of it. We all came into existence through a long process of energy. That is it. There is no need to discuse about gods,spirits, or other supernatural stuff. Energy is what made all of this, end of story.

If there is such a thing as a prime mover it is probably just energy. No intelligence behind it just energy. The exchange of energy is able to pop matter into and out of existence.(This has been proven by some wonderfully cool experiments that are probably above the average persons understanding, so it is hard to explain to the laity.)

As for evolution doubters there is a real elegant experiment that has been on going for over 30 years that shows a bacteria culture evolving the ability to ingest and metabolize citrus, where as it's great, great, great, great, great, great .......... grand parents could not.(We are talking about thirty years of bacteria here.) This experiment shows how mutations from multiple generations can link up to create new useful functions. This is us being a witness to evolution. And it is a real knife in the back to the intelligent design folks.

As I look at the word count it looks like I am just about up. So I hope this clears up my personal "position on nothing". The main thing about my position is it is an honest look at reality and no wishfull thinking on my part. To not know all of the answers to all of the question is ok. To use methods that have proven track records to learn more is the best I can do for now. Realizing my limitations is not a weakness but a strength. The end.
John K

Cleveland, OH

#70777 Apr 7, 2013
Sorry about the double post.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#70778 Apr 7, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Since, your delusion is that the world is over 11 billion years old, perhaps is how soon is soon. 1 billion, 2 billion or another 11 billion years. In any case, religion will out live you and all your issues.
I suspect that you are simply evil, so when and if you followed religion, you were still evil. Here is the point of your confusion, religion is not a persona and it has no voice. You will beat your wife because you are evil, you will hate because you are evil, you are a bigot because you are evil, so when you enter into any religion you are all at once still evil.
who says the world is 11 billions years old? is it fun to talk of things you don't understand?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#70779 Apr 7, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Since, I am a historian, I do not need to go to a library. You know, a library that makes claims like Columbus discovering America in 1492.
Yes, the African black King Imhotep, indeed an architect, Jewish high priest, the world's first double genius and best known as the black African King pyramid builder. Really, no evidence of Jesus' existence, yet all historian prescribe to records and accounts of a man known as Jesus, born in Bethlehem, at the exact time that the Bible gives account of it.
But, let us go black African king genius, Imhotep, since it is clear that your appointment with the lake of fire has you upset.
he Upper Egyptian Famine Stela, dating from the Ptolemaic period, bears an inscription containing a legend about a famine of seven years during the reign of Djoser. Imhotep is credited with having been instrumental in ending it. One of his priests explained the connection between the god Khnum and the rise of the Nile to the king, who then had a dream in which the Nile god spoke to him, promising to end the drought.[23]
These dreams are another factor which has led some scholars to associate Imhotep with the Biblical figure of Joseph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imhotep
yes, many cult leaders are considered geniuses. especially by the cult members.

just like your cult will ascribe miracles to people after they die and the cult members just blindly go along with the bullshit. this is what cults do...
Imhotep

Winter Garden, FL

#70780 Apr 7, 2013
John K wrote:
This is for the other John. I have arrived at my position of nothing by the following process.
Born atheist. Parents, family members, friends, teachers, priest , nuns, and strangers, indoctrinated me into their cult of Roman Catholism. Once I was old enough to read I would read the paper every morning. Not just the comics but also the rest of it, even the editorial pages. The local paper was lucky to have some folks that would write letters to the editor that debated the god question. Lucky for me the editor published those letters and I read them. This perked my curiosity. So I read all of the grown up books I could about religion. The history of religion is what really was the key.(Time Life Books put out a beautiful photographic essay on the history of religion, my parents made the mistake of buying this book and left it laying around the house, what fools!)
By reading about the histories of religions it became quite obvious that they were all made up. By reading comparative religious studies it became obvious that the newer religions steal and borrow ideas and stories from the older ones. This process makes the study of them difficult but quite interesting at the same time.

So that is why I am on the science side. As to the question as to the ultimate cause of the universe, I stand with science on this one also.
Science says it doesn't know the ultimate cause of the universe. Science so far can get us back to the first fractions of the first second of this universe. But that's as far as we are at this time. In the next century there may be more to say on this. Possibly this new information we just got about the Higgs particle will get us closer to a definitive answer. But right now all we know is that energy can not be created or destroyed and that everything is made of it. We all came into existence through a long process of energy. That is it. There is no need to discuse about gods,spirits, or other supernatural stuff. Energy is what made all of this, end of story.
If there is such a thing as a prime mover it is probably just energy. No intelligence behind it just energy. The exchange of energy is able to pop matter into and out of existence.(This has been proven by some wonderfully cool experiments that are probably above the average persons understanding, so it is hard to explain to the laity.)
As for evolution doubters there is a real elegant experiment that has been on going for over 30 years that shows a bacteria culture evolving the ability to ingest and metabolize citrus, where as it's great, great, great, great, great, great .......... grand parents could not.(We are talking about thirty years of bacteria here.) This experiment shows how mutations from multiple generations can link up to create new useful functions. This is <edited> look at reality and no wishfull thinking on my part. To not know all of the answers to all of the question is ok. To use methods that have proven track records to learn more is the best I can do for now. Realizing my limitations is not a weakness but a strength. The end.
Excellent description congratulations!
The resident John is as useless as tits on a bull.
Facts remain the Achilles' heel of true believers.
How does this affect our elected leaders is the question?
Answer
"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
~ George Herbert Walker Bush
John

United States

#70781 Apr 7, 2013
Well the kiddies are still confused between belief and disbelief. I won't give up on you kids! You skipped my question BTW John K, Imhotep ( Egyptian for getting trounced), Bob (lying gay hater).
John

United States

#70782 Apr 7, 2013
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.¦

Atheists- ahem freethinkers looking to scrub history for an agenda. Bob and Imhotep agree there is no historical Jesus. Bwahahaha
John

United States

#70783 Apr 7, 2013
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe._
John

United States

#70784 Apr 7, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit._

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