Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Imhotep

Tampa, FL

#70633 Apr 5, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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LMAO!
I thought you would enjoy.
Lincoln

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#70634 Apr 5, 2013
spudgun wrote:
To clarify 2 Chr 15:13 "All those who wouldn’t look to the Lord, the God of Israel, would be killed. It wouldn’t matter how important they were. It wouldn’t matter whether they were men or women."
Your god orders atheists to be put to death."
Otherwise God will make you suffer. verse 6 "That’s because God was causing them to suffer terribly."
This evil book lacks compassion and morality. And bizarrely Jesus fully confirms these laws to the letter, in both Matthews and Lukes gospels.
Fundamentalist take the Bible literally which is funny as atheists do also.
Another example of how atheists and fundamentalist seem the same.

Atheists in Russian killed millions. We need no O T stories just recent history
Imhotep

Tampa, FL

#70635 Apr 5, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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LMAO!
Those three questions will go unanswered as well by John.

John is:
Deceptive - you never would buy a used car from him - heart surgery... call the Funeral home in advance!
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#70636 Apr 5, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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In the Bible there are explicit commands in the OT to commit genocide and terrorism. You cannot simply ignore these verses. The OT is apparently the word of God as well as the NT.

In the NT Jesus promises eternal torture in hell for those who dont believe him.

These are scare tactics. We are told God is about peace and love, yet the Bible god commits atrocities and is cruel. He wants to punish nearly everyone in eternal hellfire, except 144000 jewish virgins. Very silly if you ask me.
John

United States

#70637 Apr 5, 2013
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.[
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#70638 Apr 5, 2013
John wrote:
Its not a choice between God and nothing. There are lots of different religions and gods to believe or disbelieve in. Its a choice between reality and fantasy. Do you want to believe in things as they really are, or in one or many sky deities?
Lincoln

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#70639 Apr 5, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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In the Bible there are explicit commands in the OT to commit genocide and terrorism. You cannot simply ignore these verses. The OT is apparently the word of God as well as the NT.
In the NT Jesus promises eternal torture in hell for those who dont believe him.
These are scare tactics. We are told God is about peace and love, yet the Bible god commits atrocities and is cruel. He wants to punish nearly everyone in eternal hellfire, except 144000 jewish virgins. Very silly if you ask me.
You seem to agree with fundamentalist Christians?
Stalin, one of your fellow atheists, killed tens of millions.
Atheists in denial are typical.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#70640 Apr 5, 2013
John wrote:
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.[
Who Would Jesus Hate, John?

You certainly demonstrate how much HATE you have for atheists.

Your Jesus would be so proud of you, here...

I bet he'd hate all atheists too... right?

Right?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#70641 Apr 5, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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You seem to agree with fundamentalist Christians?
Stalin, one of your fellow atheists, killed tens of millions.
Atheists in denial are typical.
no, you been corrected on this many times previously...why do you continue to post what you know to be a lie?

it was by far mostly people of faith that did all the killing for Stalin.

sad that you have to lie about atheists to try and make them look bad...wouldn't your cult have something to say about such behavior?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#70642 Apr 5, 2013
John wrote:
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?
I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.
You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.
Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.[
for your statement to be sensical, you would first have to have at least a shred of evidence for this god you think people are lashing out against...otherwise what would they be lashing out at?

where is this very first ever shred of evidence for any god, gods or goddesses?
John

United States

#70643 Apr 5, 2013
Nothing vs something is the start point. Your forum. I'll wait or laugh at years of posts for nothing.
John

United States

#70644 Apr 5, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.£

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#70645 Apr 5, 2013
John wrote:
Well over 100 million killed by atheistic regimes this century. Wow! That's what happens when man thinks he is the be all end all and is subject to no moral code.
That is what happens when countries have regimes that have corrupt or self-centred leaders and governments such that there is no way of getting rid of the governemnt other than by rebellion. How would religion or a belief in one of the gods come into that, except if, as in some of the Muslim countrolled countries the people were told that what they were doing is God's will. Kind of sounds like how the USA works when they attack other countries too, doesn't it, often with many thousands of innocent lives lost - for what purpose?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#70646 Apr 5, 2013
John wrote:
Nothing vs something is the start point. Your forum. I'll wait or laugh at years of posts for nothing.
except you clearly stated atheists are lashing out against god, for that to be true, you would have to have some evidence of this supposed god. where is it?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#70647 Apr 5, 2013
John wrote:
You don't believe in God. No evidence or accountable position in the atheism forum. Nothing repeated endlessly for five years. Almost as if this isn't just about simple disbelief. Newsflash- you have been exposed; and stumped.
John, it is a very simple to understand fact, that atheism does not have a means of proof. We can only prove what exists, if possible. Proving what doesn't exist fails right off the bat, because how do you prove nothing?

Gods are beings, if they exist that are not see, so for those that claim they exist, those people have to have some means of proving that existence to others who may not share that belief.

In 5 years or whatever, there is not yet a single piece of proof provided on Topix or anywhere else, of which I am aware, that "proves" the existence of a god or God.

Atheism is not a thing, it is the absence of a thing. An atheist has no belief in a deity, so what would motivate them to look for proof of something that they don't have in the first place.

Those atheists that actually take up some sort of cause are not marching to get people to worship the non-belief in a god; they are marching to fight various inequalities, evils, bigotry, and prejudices created or held by those who have a belief in an apparently non-existent god, and using this god as their authority to do evil.

People who actually write books or are militant about their atheism, as Dawkins and Barker might be considered, are those who have looked at the other side, or in the case of Barker, actually preached, and found that the other side was a falsehood. These people oppose the abuses of religion or beliefs in an invisible supernatural being.

We in the 21st century who still act as people did in ancient times, believing in unseen powers, have really stopped progressing in that area of of our lives, whereas the rest of life/the world has continue to move on and progressed with the knowledge of the time, not the knowledge of thousands of years ago.

One can understand and justify the belief in magic, and super beings in times when man had no means of discovering how things came about and why various things happen, but man has discovered much for which gods were given credit, and now we know that there is no god involved.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#70648 Apr 5, 2013
John - you are a crazy person.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#70649 Apr 5, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
John, it is a very simple to understand fact, that atheism does not have a means of proof. We can only prove what exists, if possible. Proving what doesn't exist fails right off the bat, because how do you prove nothing?
Gods are beings, if they exist that are not see, so for those that claim they exist, those people have to have some means of proving that existence to others who may not share that belief.
In 5 years or whatever, there is not yet a single piece of proof provided on Topix or anywhere else, of which I am aware, that "proves" the existence of a god or God.
Atheism is not a thing, it is the absence of a thing. An atheist has no belief in a deity, so what would motivate them to look for proof of something that they don't have in the first place.
Those atheists that actually take up some sort of cause are not marching to get people to worship the non-belief in a god; they are marching to fight various inequalities, evils, bigotry, and prejudices created or held by those who have a belief in an apparently non-existent god, and using this god as their authority to do evil.
People who actually write books or are militant about their atheism, as Dawkins and Barker might be considered, are those who have looked at the other side, or in the case of Barker, actually preached, and found that the other side was a falsehood. These people oppose the abuses of religion or beliefs in an invisible supernatural being.
We in the 21st century who still act as people did in ancient times, believing in unseen powers, have really stopped progressing in that area of of our lives, whereas the rest of life/the world has continue to move on and progressed with the knowledge of the time, not the knowledge of thousands of years ago.
One can understand and justify the belief in magic, and super beings in times when man had no means of discovering how things came about and why various things happen, but man has discovered much for which gods were given credit, and now we know that there is no god involved.
great post

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#70650 Apr 5, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.£
John, is it possible that you could click on "reply" at the top right corner of the post you are responding to? That way we know to which post you refer when you provide a response. If that leaves you not enough space for your reply them delete part of the other's post, leaving enough so we at least know who it is, you are replying to.

I find often that when one replies the post they reply to is many pages previous to the reply, and so it is almost impossible to know what you are replying to, without taking hours to go back through all the pages of posts to find one that might correspond to what you appear to be posting about. If, as in a few cases, there are only a few or no other posters online, and you post to the last one and your post appears then right after the one you replied to, that then is easy to understand, but that hardly ever happens.
John

United States

#70651 Apr 5, 2013
Nope. You don't believe in God yet you lash out against him. The lashing out takes place regardless of his existence or nonexistence. You're five years in to avoiding your nothing and fixating on God. I'm comfortable with that. You focus on your nothing/semantics.

Don't forget I've exposed your evidentiary standard and it is an atheism forum. Are you incapable of a comparative debate vs my oft cited accountable position? Why yes, yes you are. Now get your nothing out of here!

QFN club- quacks for nothing.
Libertarian

London, UK

#70652 Apr 5, 2013
Come on atheists! America needs you.

Bring your country out of the bronze age moralising and into the modern tolerant world where people educate themselves rather than stick to the easy answers that make them judge others.

Show me one person on this planet who worships a deity whose rules they don't agree with but still follow and that is one genuine believer.

You others that pick and choose are just making up your own god to suit yourselves.

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