Atheists on the march in America

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When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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#70108 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
Show yourself proven liar Bob. Face your shame!
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.
Stump an atheist by providing proven evidence of a god, which no man has yet been able to do. That would REALLY show up an atheist. Why not try that rather than ask questions that have no relevancy to the topic.

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#70109 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
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The issue is Thinking; literally and figuratively. Tell me a little something about atheism that is substantive and requires more than a word or sentence.
How can he tell you about atheism other than what the word means, which is having no belief in a deity? Atheism by itself need have no other description, because a person does not participate in any other aspect of his life, because he is an atheist, but because of what ideas, attributes, or characteristics he does possess.

He simply does not possess a belief in an invisible deity which no man has ever proved exists - seems like a logical thing to not believe in, doesn't it? It makes more sense to not hold a belief in something of which there is no evidence that to have evidence of something but still not believe in it.

Some people might also be accused of not believing in unicorns or spaghetti monsters. Would you also expect them to provide a list of what they do believe in then, because they lack those stated beliefs? Could you draw a conclusion about the character and morals of a person who has no belief in an unicorn?

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#70110 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
You loons don't believe in God. I love how devoted you are to him though LOL. If there is a God you are using the intelligence he gave you to question his. Priceless. You don't believe in God though. You don't believe anything in this arena. Just magic science. Time will answer these questions with magic science.
Still no evidence or accountable position in an atheism forum. This is simply a bigot march.
Science that people actually believe in is science that has been tested and proven. God has been tested but never proven. There is a very wide gap between the two, and only an uneducated person would think that science is magic.

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#70111 Mar 27, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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I don't. What part of I find that "OT dark age stuff" REPUGNENT are you having trouble understanding?
I don't belong to any "cult", so maybe you have people your throwing rocks at, confused?
Perhaps because it goes against what most believers on this site try to push, that all of the Bible, including the OT is the Word of God, and not any of it can be altered or questioned.

I agree that much of the OT is repugnant, and none of any of the Bible relating to a god, miracles, heaven, hell, magic has ever been proved nor is there any evidence of any to test. All evidence found of the times of which the Bible speaks do not prove the Bible is truthful. Occasional references to real historical places or people does not prove the existence of a god.

Based on what man has learned in all of the centuries that man has held beliefs in a god, the most likely conclusion is that there are no gods, or if there are there never has been any way of knowing they exist.

I will not state that no gods exist, because existence could be beyond man's ability to detect, but I do not believe there are gods, IMO.
John

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#70112 Mar 27, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Stump an atheist by providing proven evidence of a god, which no man has yet been able to do. That would REALLY show up an atheist. Why not try that rather than ask questions that have no relevancy to the topic.
No evidence satisfies YOU, whether that is God or another possibility. This forum just chooses to fixate on Christianity. The question starts out as something vs nothing. Would you care to make a case for your nothing?

Lots of talk about evidence but none submitted. Some other good ones are rational and logical. Make up a rational, logical beginning always was without skipping steps.

God, always was, something from nothin,, all the same to you. God is simply your axe to grind.

No evidence. No accountable position. Dismissed and stumped.
Thinking

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#70113 Mar 27, 2013
"Only joking" - Revelations 22:22
John wrote:
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No evidence satisfies YOU, whether that is God or another possibility. This forum just chooses to fixate on Christianity. The question starts out as something vs nothing. Would you care to make a case for your nothing?
Lots of talk about evidence but none submitted. Some other good ones are rational and logical. Make up a rational, logical beginning always was without skipping steps.
God, always was, something from nothin,, all the same to you. God is simply your axe to grind.
No evidence. No accountable position. Dismissed and stumped.

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#70114 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 67,260 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
John, how many times in those 4 years has it been explained, truthfully, that no one can prove that something that is non-existent does not exist. Proof of anything has to be something that humans can sense by one of their senses, and be able to verify and show to others, who could confirm that it is true.

Can you give us even one example of what evidence one might show you to prove there are no gods?

In the same vein believers have gone 4 years and still have not given one verifiable proof to substantiated why they believe in a god that is invisible. Believers have presented lots of posts stating various "proofs' but not even one of them is an actual verified proof which ascertains the existence of a god.

Such proof, if it existed, would surely make discussions about beliefs and atheism redundant, would it not? It would be much like spending centuries debating the earth is flat after it had been proved that the earth is not flat. Only very ignorant and uneducated people would ever do that. I suspect there are, in the jungles of Brazil and amongst people who have never had any education that believe, based on what they see with their own eyes, that the world is flat, but they are wrong.

We have believers and non believers in deities because so far the only way to hold that a god exists is to believe that it does, because there is no evidence of such a thing.

Believers will state that evidence is all around us; just look around and you will know God exists. That is absolute nonsense and would hold only for someone who believes that a god exists and that this god created everything around us.

We know in fact the origin of much that humans see around us, through our knowledge via science and study. We, as of yet, have not, and may never be able to trace everything back to its very beginning, because there very well (and most likely) is no actual beginning, but only a continuum of what has always been and how all of that has changed, and evolved over time.

The only explanation that has a beginning of which before it was nothing is 'Creation' but it fails in attempting to explain how there could be nothing and then something. Nothing would also have to exclude whatever it was that did the creating, an impossibility.

If one was to argue that God is eternal and thus existed before He created everything then one is making the assumption that there was existence before existence, which seems, IMO, to be nonsense.

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#70115 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless.[cut] Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 67,260 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
What you have stated, John, is nonsense. What do you claim that you have which is more logical (and whatever else you described it as) that proves the existence of a god? IMO, you have absolutely nothing that does not draw heavily on circular, illogical arguments. You have absolutely no proof of a god; not even one little smidgen of proof. To challenge someone who has no belief in something simply because there is no reason for them to have a belief is just using confrontation to hide your lack of proof in what you believe.

An atheist need not show you any evidence to support not believing because there is no evidence of any non-existence. Why ask people for something that is impossible? Evidence of existence makes sense, if one has the evidence, because evidence is a tangible thing. No evidence is just the opposite of evidence, but it is not a thing in itself.

Your approach, used by many, is just bluffing, IMO, to cover the fact that you have no grounds for your own belief in a god, outside of the fact that you choose to believe something with no evidence available, which is quite okay, but don't expect to sell it to others with such a weak an argument. People cannot prove God by the fact you state you believe in God.

You could be right, and got lucky in holding a belief that can't be substantiated, but I see no reason for you to criticize those who don't share your trust in nothing.

If a god exists and you actually 'know' that to be true, then provide your evidence so the rest of us can also know there is a god.

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#70116 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
Woodtick wants someone else to prove something in a forum based on his disbelief. Oh, this is rich.
Atheism exposed 101!
John, it is astounding that you do not understand that proving nothing has no evidence that is possible to provide. For an atheist to provide evidence he would have to in fact prove himself wrong.

It is legitimate for you to ask people to prove that certain Bible stories are false, assuming they have been proved false. One that has in many ways been proved false, and accepted over 100 years ago as false by many churches, is the story of Noah and the Flood.

That story is a myth, and that has been proved beyond any doubt that it never occurred. The only people who doubt that it has been proved are those who refuse to look at the actual evidence which has been found, or to not understand what the evidence means, which I can understand, as not everyone is well schooled in mathematics, geology, archeology, and the various other disciplines that have disproved the Flood story.
John

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#70117 Mar 27, 2013
Do you have any evidence that meets the criteria you hold others accountable to? Yes or no.

Your forum is dead set on claming there is no God so the onus is on you to prove it. Stop making claims if you feel its an exercise in futility.

I reject that faith can't be reasoned and there aren't evidences and reasons to article that. Not all knowledge is found in a beaker or measured with a ruler.

Is there a reason you are focused on what I believe rather than what you do? I've offered to debate your nothing vs my something and you declined.

Why is there most likely no beginning? Is this based on some quantifiable forum or just your gut. No beginning hmmm. Where have I heard that before?

Instead of being so chatty why don't you try an accountable position of belief or evidence.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

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#70118 Mar 27, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, you just lied again, you are not happy to compare your evidence as i have asked you for it many times and you have NEVER shown one single piece of evidence. not once.
So now you are lying again, unless you produce said evidence of your god now...
I am astounded, but not surprised, that John, like many others, cannot seem to understand the simple fact that something that doesn't exist (if that is actually the case) could not possibly leave behind any evidence, because evidence is something that can be seen (or detected) and proved, but nothing is not something, so it can not be seen or proved.

Deities, because they appear to be non detectable, are something that can only be proved to exist, but can never be proved to not exist.
John

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#70119 Mar 27, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit*

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#70120 Mar 27, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Why do you feel the need to harrass via childish name calling and assimilate Bigotry to the masses, that merely think differently than you?
Are Christians "attacking" you?
If that is your issue, you might want to seek professional help for-
delusion of persecution
a delusion that one is being attacked, harassed, persecuted, cheated, or conspired against...
as well.
Check the bible, it says that all atheists are fools. Once again idiots theists trying to play victim instead of correcting the proven hate in their belief system.

You harass 90% of the world with your made up gods and you build building and you try to brainwash our kids. You should be ashamed of yourselves, failures of nature itself.
John

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#70121 Mar 27, 2013
@boooots. It is astounding you spend so much time on what others believe. It is astounding you expect to throw out whatever accusation comes to mind and expect me to defend it. Nope. Neither the time nor inclination. This is your forum.

Evidence is just a word to you. I never claimed irrefutable proof according to your exposed standard. I have claimed (in response to attacks) there are more reasons/evidences imo to believe in a prime mover vs any other. Since nothing is good enough for you and you have been unable to provide a working formula to assess probability you are just marching against Christianity because of some irrational fixation.

Now get your nothing out of here!

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#70122 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit*
Classic coward John - acres of text, but not a shred of proof of god.

How long can the liars go on for?

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#70123 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
Nothing to run from. Great forum. Well thought out LOL.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
John, do you want to sit for years and read a long list of what each atheists who participates here actually believes? As theists, atheists no doubt believe in millions of things, which are believable and provable, but you should know already what at least most of those are, or at least you could research it, because someone could give you many things that atheists, and theists, believe that are not related to invisible superpowers.

Not having a belief in a god, is only one thing about a complicated human being.

Atheism is growing, or on the march, as this topic states, not because people are promoting the non belief, but rather because more people are coming to not believe because they have considered the topic of deities, and found there is no evidence to suggest that any deities exist. Others may have just gone through life never having had the topic of deity introduced to them, though I suspect in a world of information we have today, that is rare in developed countries.

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#70124 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 67,280 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
John, do the work yourself, because I haven't enough education to be able to follow it very far, in that subject, but show us the science that gives us the ability to communicate on the internet. Because of the intricacies and preciseness involved it must be proven science, or we would fail in applying it to get to what we take for granted today.

As I say I do not know much of the complexities of what makes these things work, but I think they are provable and predictable by people who are learned in those things.

When I went to school, computers were beginning to make an appearance though their capacities and abilities would be only a tiny fraction of the complexities today, but aside from basic physics and other sciences on which these things were built there was nothing being taught about computer science in any of the studies I took at highschool or university. I suspect children today are likely much more advanced than I am at a very early stage of their education, regarding computer science.

But I look almost every day at the evidence that the sciences that someone discovered really works.

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#70125 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit-
John, I didn't read that full post, because I think you are looking for something from non-believers that is not possible to give you. Those that have been argumentative and/or abusive on the side of atheism, IMO, have done so mainly in opposition to some of the things that believers state are right or true, just because 'God said so' but some of these things man does know are not true, so when a believer becomes belligerent, which is what I have experienced on Topix from fundamentalist believers, and start calling non-believers various derogatory names, and threatening them with eternal torture for holding the lack of belief, I think it is perhaps not admirable but understandable that some of them will lash out at the believers, and use what the believers claim against them.

If a believer believes that certain behavior towards others is condemned by God, then why do the believers use that same behavior towards non-believers or others?

Those is the kind of things that non believers get agitated, excited, argumentative, belligerent about.

If we name God in a statement it is referring to what you believe about God so that you will have reference to the point from your understanding.

If I say 'if the God you believe in exists, then you are a hypocrite to act a certain way to non-believers', that is a conditional statement, which I don't believe is based on the existence of a real God, but would be the case if, in fact, a real God does or did exist.

Humans have the ability and use it all the time to talk about non-existent things, because that is part of what makes up some of human communication, but that does not mean the things they imagine or state are what they necessarily believe exist.
TruthIs

London, KY

#70126 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
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No evidence satisfies YOU, whether that is God or another possibility. This forum just chooses to fixate on Christianity. The question starts out as something vs nothing. Would you care to make a case for your nothing?
Lots of talk about evidence but none submitted. Some other good ones are rational and logical. Make up a rational, logical beginning always was without skipping steps.
God, always was, something from nothin,, all the same to you. God is simply your axe to grind.
No evidence. No accountable position. Dismissed and stumped.
Florida school apologizes after students stomp on ‘Jesus’.

By Bruce Schreiner and Gilma Avalos , NBCMiami.com

Florida Gov. Rick Scott has waded into a religious-infused campus controversy, asking the state university system chancellor to look into a classroom lesson at Florida Atlantic University in which students were instructed to stomp on sheets of paper that had "Jesus" written on them.

Scott said in a letter Tuesday to State University System Chancellor Frank Brogan that he was "deeply disappointed" by the recent incident in an intercultural communications class and said it raised questions about "the lessons being taught in our classrooms." He said he wanted a report on the incident and how it was handled, as well as a statement of the university's policies to ensure such "lessons" don't occur again....
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About time people started standing up for what is RIGHT, and expecting people to behave with some DECENCY, civility and respect, for and of others, in this nation again!!!
John

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#70127 Mar 27, 2013
You don't believe there is any evidence in this arena to stake out a position. Great. End forum. If you are insistent on going further (which this forum is) you better have answers for your hypocrisy.

Do you really want to sit for years and years because of simple disbelief? Apparently you guys do.

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