John, how many times in those 4 years has it been explained, truthfully, that no one can prove that something that is non-existent does not exist. Proof of anything has to be something that humans can sense by one of their senses, and be able to verify and show to others, who could confirm that it is true.Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 67,260 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
Can you give us even one example of what evidence one might show you to prove there are no gods?
In the same vein believers have gone 4 years and still have not given one verifiable proof to substantiated why they believe in a god that is invisible. Believers have presented lots of posts stating various "proofs' but not even one of them is an actual verified proof which ascertains the existence of a god.
Such proof, if it existed, would surely make discussions about beliefs and atheism redundant, would it not? It would be much like spending centuries debating the earth is flat after it had been proved that the earth is not flat. Only very ignorant and uneducated people would ever do that. I suspect there are, in the jungles of Brazil and amongst people who have never had any education that believe, based on what they see with their own eyes, that the world is flat, but they are wrong.
We have believers and non believers in deities because so far the only way to hold that a god exists is to believe that it does, because there is no evidence of such a thing.
Believers will state that evidence is all around us; just look around and you will know God exists. That is absolute nonsense and would hold only for someone who believes that a god exists and that this god created everything around us.
We know in fact the origin of much that humans see around us, through our knowledge via science and study. We, as of yet, have not, and may never be able to trace everything back to its very beginning, because there very well (and most likely) is no actual beginning, but only a continuum of what has always been and how all of that has changed, and evolved over time.
The only explanation that has a beginning of which before it was nothing is 'Creation' but it fails in attempting to explain how there could be nothing and then something. Nothing would also have to exclude whatever it was that did the creating, an impossibility.
If one was to argue that God is eternal and thus existed before He created everything then one is making the assumption that there was existence before existence, which seems, IMO, to be nonsense.