Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70645 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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John

United States

#70142 Mar 27, 2013
Still no evidence or accountable position from the bigots. Nothing is a tough case. I wouldn't put it up against a prime mover either. Of course I wouldn't be such a nutcase as to spend my days fighting something I don't believe in.

Nothing bless
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#70143 Mar 27, 2013
My understanding is that Westboro make sure their actions are protected by US law and.

Unlike the educational facility that so offended you, they do not seem to apologise for offence caused to grieving families, etc.
TruthIs wrote:
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Arrest them every time they show up with their vileness somewhere. Just like any other herdpack, thug type thing.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#70144 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
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This is the sixth post in the thread. Just a reminder lmao.
I am all in. I am going to see how many years you will fight God and avoid your illogical, magical, nothing. Keep up the good work!
John, people who argue with you are fighting you, not God. You have not provided any evidence of God and non believers do not have a belief in a god. Either state what proof you have of an existence or stop asking for something impossible - proof of non-existence.

Stating we cannot provide evidence to support our non belief is just changing the subject. It won't and can't happen.

I will maintain for now my opinion that you cannot show us proof of the existence of a god, but if you can show it, and I understand and can see that proof also (I can't imagine yet what it might look like, since so many attempts have already been made and failed), then I will more than gladly believe you and accept the existence of God, or a god, right along with you.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#70145 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
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No evidence satisfies YOU, whether that is God or another possibility. This forum just chooses to fixate on Christianity. The question starts out as something vs nothing. Would you care to make a case for your nothing?
Lots of talk about evidence but none submitted. Some other good ones are rational and logical. Make up a rational, logical beginning always was without skipping steps.
God, always was, something from nothin,, all the same to you. God is simply your axe to grind.
No evidence. No accountable position. Dismissed and stumped.
John, I already replied to that. Atheist don't have an opinion about gods, because they do not believe in gods or a god. On any other subject, and humans have millions of subjects which they have to face during their lives, their opinions may be as svaried as there are atheists. Same for theists; they may have many opinions on subjects not related to a god also.

Am atheist cannot give evidence of something that in his view of the input that comes to his senses, there is not such a thing as a god. If you think we should give you evidence of the non-existence of a god, then tell us hypothetically what would be an example of evidence that you would consider a response to your question.

The very best I can do, if I know the truth is to give evidence to refute things you state are evidences of God, and over the course of my being on Topix I and many others have given many very true and solid pieces of evidence whicbh disprove some of the statements of proof made by theists.

We can argue about evidence of existence, because an existence would leave evidence. The opposite is impossible.

You are just playing a game which you can never win, by trying to squeeze responses from people when there are no responses, other than telling you how uneducated you appear, which I doubt is what you want to hear.

If God exists, or a god exists, and you know that through evidence, then lets hear the evidence. If you can't provide the evidence then you are no further ahead than we atheists.

I have never yet in 66 years seen or heard of any evidence of any gods which has been confirmed to be good solid and true evidence.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#70146 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. Yawn.
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit'
oh look its more lack of proof of god. right on time, thanks John, please remember to flush.
PhayCrayonsisDem

United States

#70147 Mar 27, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>let us look at teh very first lesson of your cult from teh garden of eden...
"do not seek knowledge. do just as you are told in stated of ignorance and bliss and all will be perfect..."
not too cult-like, huh? sheesh!
then add on the indoctrinate your friends and family, and then the part of giveing them your money...
yeah sure, pal...not too cult-like...totally supposed to think for yourselve...
Are you writing a self biography? Or do you just have latent issues with authority? Are are you afraid of people that can and do read,and then think for themselves (aka read-o-phobic)?

All these mindless benindg questions can be answered at-

www.getabrainforbigots.com

Hurry will link data lasts!
TruthIs

United States

#70148 Mar 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Then you did not read all of it.
Cover to cover at one time.
The MANY times after over the years-why bother to reread (parts) of what is of no applicable use daily.
Sorry to disappoint your delusion-but I prefer religious freedom as found in democracy to commieTicism any day, it allows me to read what I wish to, and to not have it vomited at me via someone else's perception. That, and because there's many OTHER books I like to read as well!!!
TruthIs

United States

#70149 Mar 27, 2013
Thinking wrote:
My understanding is that Westboro make sure their actions are protected by US law and.
Unlike the educational facility that so offended you, they do not seem to apologise for offence caused to grieving families, etc.
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My opinion-some of those Westboro type people need to learn RESPECT for others PRIVATE lives a times, and ought to be jailed for stupidity!

Other than that-I have no idea what you are babbling incoherently about.
John

United States

#70150 Mar 27, 2013
boooots wrote:
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John, people who argue with you are fighting you, not God. You have not provided any evidence of God and non believers do not have a belief in a god. Either state what proof you have of an existence or stop asking for something impossible - proof of non-existence.
Stating we cannot provide evidence to support our non belief is just changing the subject. It won't and can't happen.
I will maintain for now my opinion that you cannot show us proof of the existence of a god, but if you can show it, and I understand and can see that proof also (I can't imagine yet what it might look like, since so many attempts have already been made and failed), then I will more than gladly believe you and accept the existence of God, or a god, right along with you.
No they are fighting/lashing out at God. Most of them. This forum has gone on for years and it happens with or without me. You think simple disbelief has carried the forum in all its venom this long? The evidence speaks otherwise. Speaking of evidence. Do you have any in this arena you hold others accountable to?

I've already exposed your standard of evidence yet you want ME to provide YOU evidence in your forum. Let me guess you'll be the arbiter. Your forum insists on fighting God, you can't stay away from him. I've made it clear, apparently you don't read my posts that I don't debate nothing. God is merely an axe and diversion created by loons to mask their nothing agenda.

You've made the claim there is no God so prove it. That's your deal and problem whether its impossible or not. I've offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief you want to make a case for. You have failed miserably. Not my problem.

Regurgitating tired nonpoints despite four years of me being clear makes it obvious you have no intention of doing anything other than projecting. Nothing certainly isn't the answer.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#70151 Mar 27, 2013
John wrote:
@boooots. It is astounding you spend so much time on what others believe. It is astounding you expect to throw out whatever accusation comes to mind and expect me to defend it. Nope. Neither the time nor inclination. This is your forum.
Evidence is just a word to you. I never claimed irrefutable proof according to your exposed standard. I have claimed (in response to attacks) there are more reasons/evidences imo to believe in a prime mover vs any other. Since nothing is good enough for you and you have been unable to provide a working formula to assess probability you are just marching against Christianity because of some irrational fixation.
Now get your nothing out of here!
John, you are not making sense, or if you think you are making statements that others will understand, they are not being understood.

This is not my forum. I came here on recently and this discussion was well on its way long before I joined it. I can't give you evidence of the non-existence of a god. That is something that no human could do. As I have stated to you several times in the past day or so, I can only look at 'evidence' you provide to back your apparent claim that a God does exist. I, if I know that some claim you make is proved incorrect, might tell you that and where I learned that, if I can remember where I learned it. If you provide evidence to which I have to refutation, then the very best I can say is that I don't know if your evidence is true or not, but give my gut feeling about it. So far, and this is being truthful, I have never heard or seen any evidences provided by any believers that are irrefutable.

You keep mentioning Prime Mover (or something to that effect). What is your Prime Mover, and what evidence do you have of that.

As far as there can never be a beginning, in my understanding if there was such as thing as the beginning of everything, or even the beginning of even one thing, than prior to that point there was nothing. I cannot conceive of nothing (the same as I can provide evidence of a nothing). It seems logical to me that if nothing existed then that nothing would also preclude even that God or Creator.

Nothing in my understanding would mean no God, no universe, no Earth, no living creatures, not anything at all. Yet the Creationist view suggest that before all man can comprehend existed, God existed, and then God created everything, which since nothing existed before would seem logically to have come from nothing.

That just doesn't compute in my understanding of how we define the various words used.

It seems to make some sense that something has always existed, even if we could agree that the 'something' was God. However, since we have no evidence yet that there is a God, why would we agree that the 'something' is God, when we know it has no evidence?
John

United States

#70152 Mar 27, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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oh look its more lack of proof of god. right on time, thanks John, please remember to flush.
Can you give me an example of proof? What would you like me to do to keep your forum going? Gosh darn you almost made.me forget your evidence free nothing forum LOL.

Oh look no evidence of this magic science. No balls to debate either.

Where is liar Bob. I know you are reading. Shame, shame, boo, hiss. Learn some lessons on lying. Teach them to your bigot friends.
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#70153 Mar 27, 2013
That's because you're thick.
TruthIs wrote:
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My opinion-some of those Westboro type people need to learn RESPECT for others PRIVATE lives a times, and ought to be jailed for stupidity!
Other than that-I have no idea what you are babbling incoherently about.
John

United States

#70154 Mar 27, 2013
Well booots you'll just have to catch up then. I notice many repeated presuppositions despite me addressing them. I know I also noted my reasonable prerequisites. You insist on changing the narrative and focus because there is no content to atheism. When you choose making it about marginalization that's what's going on here.

Of course I've exposed the forum on so many levels over so many years I merely skim for an accountable position of belief you will debate or evidence that meets your own standard.

You provided neither. Get your nothing out of here!

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#70155 Mar 27, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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oh look its more lack of proof of god. right on time, thanks John, please remember to flush.
If John wants an opinion from atheists then why doesn't he present one which we can respond to. We can't provide him with evidence of the non-existence of a deity, because there could be no such evidence. If a deity existed it would not nor could not leave evidence that it didn't exist.

So rather than harping on constantly what we can't do, because it is impossible to do, why does he not state what he has as evidence for his opinion on the subject of a deity.

Simply sitting there and asking us to do something which he knows we can't do and then claiming some sort of victory from that is a cop out on his part, IMO.

I will be glad to present my thoughts on any evidence he provides to support his knowledge that a god exists, but without what that knowledge is, I am not going to try guessing and then refuting my own guesses.

To the very best of my knowledge, or at least memory of my knowledge, no evidence of a god exists anywhere, that anyone has ever confirmed to be true. If I am wrong in that, then for goodness sakes show me where I am wrong.

I kind of think that those who would promote the idea of a God still tell us that one has to believe because there is no evidence. If they have evidence then for goodness sakes, let man off the hook and stop believing and start 'knowing' that a god exists. Kind of along the same line as when some men believed that the earth was not flat, and some of them actually proved that to be true, which ended any debate of the subject, for anyone who had any education, at least.
TheIndependentMa jority

United States

#70156 Mar 27, 2013
Thinking wrote:
That's because you're thick.
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No, it's because it was incoherent ramblings- on par level of a deluded 12 year old. Deluded, because even a rational 12 year old can theorize better, as in, with Out projecting bigotry onto others.
TheIndependentMa jority

United States

#70157 Mar 27, 2013
boooots wrote:
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John, you are not making sense, or if you think you are making statements that others will understand, they are not being understood.
This is not my forum. I came here on recently and this discussion was well on its way long before I joined it. I can't give you evidence of the non-existence of a god. That is something that no human could do. As I have stated to you several times in the past day or so, I can only look at 'evidence' you provide to back your apparent claim that a God does exist. I, if I know that some claim you make is proved incorrect, might tell you that and where I learned that, if I can remember where I learned it. If you provide evidence to which I have to refutation, then the very best I can say is that I don't know if your evidence is true or not, but give my gut feeling about it. So far, and this is being truthful, I have never heard or seen any evidences provided by any believers that are irrefutable.
You keep mentioning Prime Mover (or something to that effect). What is your Prime Mover, and what evidence do you have of that.
As far as there can never be a beginning, in my understanding if there was such as thing as the beginning of everything, or even the beginning of even one thing, than prior to that point there was nothing. I cannot conceive of nothing (the same as I can provide evidence of a nothing). It seems logical to me that if nothing existed then that nothing would also preclude even that God or Creator.
Nothing in my understanding would mean no God, no universe, no Earth, no living creatures, not anything at all. Yet the Creationist view suggest that before all man can comprehend existed, God existed, and then God created everything, which since nothing existed before would seem logically to have come from nothing.
That just doesn't compute in my understanding of how we define the various words used.
It seems to make some sense that something has always existed, even if we could agree that the 'something' was God. However, since we have no evidence yet that there is a God, why would we agree that the 'something' is God, when we know it has no evidence?
Actually he stated some of same things I just did, only in a longer version form.
TruthIs

United States

#70158 Mar 27, 2013
Thinking wrote:
That's because I'm thick.
<quoted text>
Might want look to look up up that word marginalize then too.
TruthIs

United States

#70159 Mar 27, 2013
boooots wrote:
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If John wants an opinion from atheists then why doesn't he present one which we can respond to. We can't provide him with evidence of the non-existence of a deity, because there could be no such evidence. If a deity existed it would not nor could not leave evidence that it didn't exist.
So rather than harping on constantly what we can't do, because it is impossible to do, why does he not state what he has as evidence for his opinion on the subject of a deity.
Simply sitting there and asking us to do something which he knows we can't do and then claiming some sort of victory from that is a cop out on his part, IMO.
I will be glad to present my thoughts on any evidence he provides to support his knowledge that a god exists, but without what that knowledge is, I am not going to try guessing and then refuting my own guesses.
To the very best of my knowledge, or at least memory of my knowledge, no evidence of a god exists anywhere, that anyone has ever confirmed to be true. If I am wrong in that, then for goodness sakes show me where I am wrong.
I kind of think that those who would promote the idea of a God still tell us that one has to believe because there is no evidence. If they have evidence then for goodness sakes, let man off the hook and stop believing and start 'knowing' that a god exists. Kind of along the same line as when some men believed that the earth was not flat, and some of them actually proved that to be true, which ended any debate of the subject, for anyone who had any education, at least.
Why is Columbus credited as having been some sort of "first person" to have thought the earth was round, when there were soo many more "educated" that thought likewise, before him?

Sometimes history takes awhile, but eventually the TRUTH prevails.

Must've been a sad day for those who thought otherwise!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70160 Mar 27, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Cover to cover at one time.
The MANY times after over the years-why bother to reread (parts) of what is of no applicable use daily.
Sorry to disappoint your delusion-but I prefer religious freedom as found in democracy to commieTicism any day, it allows me to read what I wish to, and to not have it vomited at me via someone else's perception. That, and because there's many OTHER books I like to read as well!!!
Reading it through once is not going to stay in your memory.
As a Mormon child, we were encouraged to not only read it over an over again, along with the other books, but we had this game called "Scripture Chase." It was a fun one in which the referee would pick a random, literally random page flip, eyes closed, finger point random, scripture and read the first few words, no more than one line though, depending on how common the words were. Then we'd have to race to find it, of course we could begin when they started reading it out loud but most of us were smart enough to wait ... because with enough words we knew what page to turn to without actually searching. Then the winner would read off that section, depending on what it was we'd read the entire story or page, or if we were unlucky to land in a geneology section ... well, two verses. It was such a huge deal that they had city, state, regional, and national competitions, all official and such. I got first in the state three times ... and I stopped going to church when I was 15. My brother always came in second to me.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#70161 Mar 28, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
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Maybe in the way you read it, but not the way I read it.
People encourage that warped kind of stuff, via their own twisted and distorted misinterpretations, and loathing of their own sinful doings.
So tell me how are we supposed read this?
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Is it a distortion for me to say that this verse considers a slave to be the property of his master?

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