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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69756 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Going to bed but will touch on a reply. Remember I've been doing this for four years and I'm admittedly impatient by now. Your flying spaghetti monster routine wasn't exactly ingratiating but in fairness you probably are miffed with my vernacular. I do mention I'm specifically addressing antitheism from time to time.
This ought to be good -- you have NEVER written ONE argument in support of your mythical "prime mover". Not one.
John wrote:
Why do atheists believe in love? Do you believe we have a conscience? Can you prove it?
Love is easily demonstrated as a combination of chemical and electrical changes in the human brain. It is easily measured too.

Conscience is similar-- and not everyone has one, by the way-- YOU, for example, do not demonstrate one at all-- you lie so constantly, and repeatably, it's safe to assume you haven none.
John wrote:
The question regarding quantitative analysis- how do you decide what is most or least likely of the following: always was, prime mover, something from nothing.
There is zero evidence or argument in support of "prime mover".

Without even ONE (1) argument? Toss that one on the pile of myths.

Unless you have ONE (1) ARGUMENT? NO?

We thought not.

You forgot the 4th case: something from something. Which appears to be the best hypothesis so far. The "something" in this case is other universes colliding.
John wrote:
Show your work. Oh, prime mover is probably what you are thinking. Check out Aristotle and Aquinas for further.
Wow-- you had to go back 2000 years in search of an .. "argument"?

LOL! But I see you failed to... what was it? Yes-- "show your work".

Still no argument in support of your idiotic "prime mover".
John wrote:
The evidence isn't good enough for YOU.
There is no ... ahem "evidence" here -- you didn't "show your work".

You did not even try...
John wrote:
There isn't any evidence good enough for you. God, higher power, is just one of many.
Stop-- there isn't any evidence. Period.

It's NOT a matter of "good enough". It IS a matter of ANY AT ALL.

You have presented none, here.
John wrote:
I believe my faith is reasoned,
You also believe in talking snakes, global floods and other stupid shyt.

Your opinion is ... worthless.

And your faith? Is unreasonable-- as is ALL faith.

IF YOU HAD REASON? YOU WOULD NOT NEED FAITH!

Duuuuh!
John wrote:
but you keep forgetting; either purposefully or buying into the purposeful forum narrative that I am here to persuade, convert, or proselytize.
You are. The only reason you would come directly to an ATHEIST thread, is to proselytize.

Duuuuh!
John wrote:
God need not even be mentioned.
But you did-- lots of times, back in 2009. You let slip your real agenda, back then...
John wrote:
It is this forum that attempts to marginalize God.
Successfully, too. You're not helping your "god" case either.
John wrote:
I've just called the bluff and exposed the evidentiary standard in the process.
Really? WHEN? Oh! You're lying again... it's what you do best.
John wrote:
It does require you to have evidence when you say there is no God. All these posts about simple disbelief belies that assertation. I know the score.
Nobody says that-- we say YOUR god isn't real, though-- because you accidentally let slip the exact nature of YOUR god, and it's all fiction.

A being that is self-contradictory cannot exist, stupid!
John wrote:
By the way I post from my phone and things are sometimes jumbled or misspelled as a result.
Too poor to afford a real computer? That figures...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69757 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
You see some in this forum alluded to my ip address when I used to use a computer. Many others have physically threatened me. So much for freethinking.
LOL! "physically threatened me"... riiiiight... you got a link?

No?

So... you're lying. Again.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69758 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
You're cute. That wasn't predictable at all. You skipped the questions by the way. I would be embarrassed.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
Stump a theist: ask him for proof of his god.

He'll have none-- he will pretend that "faith" is enough.

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69759 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 66,960 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
Taxes are as low as they've historically been, under Obama.

As is the deficit spending-- which went UP-UP-UP during the various Bush-reigns.

In fact? Deficit spending is the LOWEST it's been since...

... Clinton.

Imagine that?

ReThugs: the party of DEFICIT SPENDING.

Proof? History, bub, history...
John

Branson, MO

#69760 Mar 18, 2013
sickofit wrote:
I would lvoe to debate with you john...But you wont all youw ill do is repeat same post and spew hate and ignorant lies.....WHEN YOU GROW UP COME BACK AND WE CAN TALK.....
But for now time for you to leave. you lying pile of trash.....
Lucky we are not talking face to face..Would have knock you out by now moron..Stupid people like you need to go out behind woodshed and get taught to grow up.
Proving Bob wrong one more time. Most of the other nonsense is lies as well. By the way this guy got checked. He is about the fourth bigot to threaten me.

Bob lies for his nothing over and over and over again Bwahahaha
John

Branson, MO

#69761 Mar 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! "physically threatened me"... riiiiight... you got a link?
No?
So... you're lying. Again.
Show yourself liar. Address this lie and we will move on to the others. Ending with the liar in chief. At this juncture you are either an anti-American radical and/or mind numbingly ignorant. The and is for you.

Still no evidence or accountable position from Bob. Stay tuned for my version of whack a mole.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69762 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Show yourself liar. Address this lie and we will move on to the others. Ending with the liar in chief. At this juncture you are either an anti-American radical and/or mind numbingly ignorant. The and is for you.
Still no evidence or accountable position from Bob. Stay tuned for my version of whack a mole.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
Well, since you made the accusation and present no evidence to support it, it's another of your lies.
John

Branson, MO

#69763 Mar 18, 2013
Get your nothing out of here! He accused me of lying about being threatened. I proved otherwise. Is there an honest one of you?

You skipped the questions by the way.

I'm waiting for your apology Bob but I know I won't get it. That works as well. You are my perfect example of lying liberal antitheists.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69764 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Get your nothing out of here! He accused me of lying about being threatened. I proved otherwise. Is there an honest one of you?
You skipped the questions by the way.
I'm waiting for your apology Bob but I know I won't get it. That works as well. You are my perfect example of lying liberal antitheists.
I have seen no evidence to support your assertions, none of them, even this one. Perhaps you can break your lie streak and present the evidence now.
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#69765 Mar 18, 2013
Where?
John wrote:
Get your nothing out of here! He accused me of lying about being threatened. I proved otherwise. Is there an honest one of you?
You skipped the questions by the way.
I'm waiting for your apology Bob but I know I won't get it. That works as well. You are my perfect example of lying liberal antitheists.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69766 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Proving Bob wrong one more time. Most of the other nonsense is lies as well. By the way this guy got checked. He is about the fourth bigot to threaten me.
Bob lies for his nothing over and over and over again Bwahahaha
Stump a theist: ask him for proof of his god.

He'll have none-- he will pretend that "faith" is enough.

Sad.
John

Branson, MO

#69767 Mar 18, 2013
Do your own homework loon. You skipped my questions by the way. Oh, this is priceless. Freethinkers LOL, sure you are

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69768 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
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Show yourself liar. Address this lie and we will move on to the others. Ending with the liar in chief. At this juncture you are either an anti-American radical and/or mind numbingly ignorant. The and is for you.
Still no evidence or accountable position from Bob. Stay tuned for my version of whack a mole.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69769 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Show yourself liar. Address this lie and we will move on to the others. Ending with the liar in chief. At this juncture you are either an anti-American radical and/or mind numbingly ignorant. The and is for you.
Still no evidence or accountable position from Bob. Stay tuned for my version of whack a mole.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69770 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Proving Bob wrong one more time.
You can't and you know it-- you cannot post a link to where you did what you claim you did.

Nor can you post a link to where you were ... ahem... "threatened" by anyone.

You can't--because nobody did.
John wrote:
Most of the other nonsense is lies as well. By the way this guy got checked. He is about the fourth bigot to threaten me.
Bob lies for his nothing over and over and over again Bwahahaha
You're lying once more-- "this guy got checked"? Seriously? When?

Not by YOU, that's for certain! DO you have a link where I .. ahem.. "threatened" you?

No?

How about THAT.
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#69771 Mar 18, 2013
Stump John- show him a reply button!

John'll stick his finger in his ear, dribble and still wonder why his post isn't connected the same way as everyone else's...
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Stump a theist: ask him for proof of his god.
He'll have none-- he will pretend that "faith" is enough.
Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69772 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Get your nothing out of here! He accused me of lying about being threatened. I proved otherwise. Is there an honest one of you?
You skipped the questions by the way.
Nope-- you proved nothing of the sort-- I went back-- NO LINKS FROM YOU.

... so you were NOT threatened by ANYONE-- you're just lying as you do everyday.
John wrote:
I'm waiting for your apology Bob but I know I won't get it. That works as well. You are my perfect example of lying liberal antitheists.
Apology? For what? Telling the world the TRUTH about you and your sick hate-cult?

No-- you don't deserve an apology for YOU, LYING-- why should I apologize?

You are provably lying here-- you lie each and every day.

Links to these... "threats"? No?

We thought as much.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69773 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Do your own homework loon. You skipped my questions by the way. Oh, this is priceless. Freethinkers LOL, sure you are
I answered them even today.

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So you lie once more...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#69774 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
Going to bed but will touch on a reply. Remember I've been doing this for four years and I'm admittedly impatient by now. Your flying spaghetti monster routine wasn't exactly ingratiating but in fairness you probably are miffed with my vernacular. I do mention I'm specifically addressing antitheism from time to time.
I can understand how 4 years of the same topic can get frustrating. I know it feels insulting to bring up the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I do it to make a point more than poke fun.
John wrote:
Why do atheists believe in love? Do you believe we have a conscience? Can you prove it?
I feel love. It seems wrong or disturbing to discover it is a function of the mind when it feels very magical... But it is what it is. It's origin doesn't change the way it makes me feel.
John wrote:
The question regarding quantitative analysis- how do you decide what is most or least likely of the following: always was, prime mover, something from nothing. Show your work. Oh, prime mover is probably what you are thinking. Check out Aristotle and Aquinas for further.
I will give my thoughts on all 3...

Always was - this one seems most likely to me with the limited knowledge i have on the subject. This voids the problem of how something can come from nothing. It may not be the popular answer and I am open to being educated more on the subject.

Something from nothing - I know very little about quantum physics... Get it?! Very little?! Lol sorry... Anyway... Nobody has ever witnessed creatio ex nihilo as far as I know... But I did see it mentioned earlier about quantum fluctuation and seeing particles appear out of nowhere... Either that is correct or we just don't understand it yet. I'm ok with that too.

Prime mover - term used to disguise a god. Sounds more intellectual than "god did it". If it was simply a first cause that was never caused, that would be one thing.... But this is supposed to be something with intelligence. This opens a big new can of worms... What kind of knowledge exists before existence? How can a thought exist before time exists? That's fine, I just need more details. I cannot humor this as an answer without knowing more.
What color is the paint in this can? Blue? Black? Or kuggabuvel?.... What is kuggabuvel? It's a color? Ok well.... I suppose it might be kuggabuvel but can you show me what kuggabuvel looks like? It can have stripes or circles or many other things? Ok well... The wall is a solid color so i know it's not stripes or circles.... So we can rule that out.... Is it any color on this color wheel? No?....

That may be a really strange an poor attempt at making my point but Maybe you understand what I'm saying. Sorry for the bad example.

I have more to reply but have to close my store so I will send this before I lose everything again.... I still preferred my response that was lost late last night... It had more clarity than this.

To be continued...
John

Branson, MO

#69775 Mar 18, 2013
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