Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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John

United States

#69726 Mar 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists discovered that using quantitative analysis one can not prove God exists.
The Quality of life escapes them.
Science in silent on the existence of God.
Apparently they don't read Gould.
John

United States

#69727 Mar 17, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you feel about boooots's response?
Disbelief is not belief. I just skim for evidence or an accountable position of belief he provided neither. Did you read my posts? Did you answer my question regarding evidence quantifaction?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#69728 Mar 17, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
....
The Quality of life escapes them.
....
Right back at-ya!
John

United States

#69729 Mar 17, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. ;)
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.,

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69730 Mar 17, 2013
John wrote:
You lie. This is nothing. Do you have any evidence in this arena that meets the standards you hold others accountable to? Yes or no.
You skipped the questions by the way.
No-- I answered them years ago. You just ignored them as you do every day.

And you lie about it, of course...

Still no argument from you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69731 Mar 17, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently they don't read Gould.
No-- I answered them years ago. You just ignored them as you do every day.

And you lie about it, of course...

Still no argument from you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69732 Mar 17, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Disbelief is not belief. I just skim for evidence or an accountable position of belief he provided neither. Did you read my posts? Did you answer my question regarding evidence quantifaction?
No-- I answered them years ago. You just ignored them as you do every day.

And you lie about it, of course...

Still no argument from you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69733 Mar 17, 2013
John wrote:
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. ;)
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.,
No-- I answered them years ago. You just ignored them as you do every day.

And you lie about it, of course...

Still no argument from you.
Lincoln

United States

#69734 Mar 17, 2013
First Amendment freedom of speech
together with academic freedom.

"You just ignored them as you do every day" ;-)

....your opinion is taught with other opinions so what is the beef?
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#69735 Mar 17, 2013
Fair enough. See you on another thread, then. x
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah. I think I'm done with this topic.
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#69736 Mar 17, 2013
I believe you're a fuckwit.
John wrote:
I was unaware atheists weren't believers LOL. Why don't you go find these ahem relevant answers you claim to have provided.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#69737 Mar 17, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Disbelief is not belief. I just skim for evidence or an accountable position of belief he provided neither. Did you read my posts? Did you answer my question regarding evidence quantifaction?
There is no evidence of a non-existence. Can you find evidence to prove that unicorns do not exist? Because there is no evidence to prove the existence of any gods, those atheists who have actually considered the possibility of a god, likely have concluded that, since no evidence has ever existed during the time we know man has been on this earth, very likely that means there are no gods.

The claim of millions that there are gods or there is a God cannot be proved in any way currently known to man. The information that man currently uses to back up his beliefs appears to all be fiction.
John

United States

#69738 Mar 17, 2013
Yawn. Since nothing in this arena is provable according to your standard it very likely means it is nothing.

Is this forum unable to grasp I don't debate nothing and I have not been the one going around making claims. You simply want to steer the narrative onto something else. You singulary choose to do this with a God you don't believe in. I have thoroughly exposed your evidentiary process. That's why you skipped the questions.

You will not be the arbiter of evidence. You will not have a forum and throw out question after question expecting me to answer whatever axe you have to grind today.

I see no accountable position of belief or evidence from you. Keep repeating the same shyte the other antitheists do.

I do offer you the chance to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs ???. Fill in the blank.

It's fashionable in your crowd to marginalize believers but you realize there are multiple disciplines and great thinkers with a laundry list reasons, evidences, coincidences, guideposts, whatever term you like to make my case. If it doesn't satisfy you I don't care. Never did. That's your forums way to shirk any intellectual burden.

You skipped my questions by the way.

What do you believe?
John

United States

#69739 Mar 17, 2013
The larger question is something vs nothing. You can't even get started with your nothing but want to go all the way specifically to an Abrahamic God. It could reach that level of discussion. We could discuss whether God is a sentient being and any number of questions, but we won't, and the reason is your refusal to meet my reasonable prerequisites.

Now you can get upset and lash out at this God you don't believe in or move on. I was clear and honest about this in 2009 and haven't budged. Your nothing is fine. I get it. Your other nonsense will get checked.

Nothing Bless
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Redding, CA

#69741 Mar 17, 2013
John wrote:
The larger question is something vs nothing. You can't even get started with your nothing but want to go all the way specifically to an Abrahamic God. It could reach that level of discussion. We could discuss whether God is a sentient being and any number of questions, but we won't, and the reason is your refusal to meet my reasonable prerequisites.

Now you can get upset and lash out at this God you don't believe in or move on. I was clear and honest about this in 2009 and haven't budged. Your nothing is fine. I get it. Your other nonsense will get checked.

Nothing Bless
They are afraid John, to face truth!
John

United States

#69742 Mar 17, 2013
They are definitely afraid, but I don't believe truth is what they seek. If it can't be measured with a ruler or seen in a microscope their eyes and ears close. The irony is this approach is the antithesis of freethought. Heck , they even seek to bastardize science that doesn't fit "the model."

Nothing Bless to you!:)

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#69743 Mar 17, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Disbelief is not belief. I just skim for evidence or an accountable position of belief he provided neither. Did you read my posts? Did you answer my question regarding evidence quantifaction?
I agree that disbelief is not belief. That is why this whole discussion is odd.

I did read your posts but i don't remember what you asked about quantitative evidence. I can look back if you don't wish to repeat it. I apologize.

Atheists and theists believe in almost all of the same stuff... Atheists and anti-theists believe in gravity, love, etc... etc... All of the things you do... But theists believe in 1 more thing that atheists don't... God. We haven't seen any evidence. That does not require us to have evidence that there is not a god, because maybe there is... Once we have good reason to believe we can. It's not off the table. We just don't expect that is going to happen.

Apart from that... Can you define what a prime mover is? I have a good idea but until it is clear I shouldn't accept or dismiss it as an answer.
John

United States

#69744 Mar 17, 2013
Going to bed but will touch on a reply. Remember I've been doing this for four years and I'm admittedly impatient by now. Your flying spaghetti monster routine wasn't exactly ingratiating but in fairness you probably are miffed with my vernacular. I do mention I'm specifically addressing antitheism from time to time.

Why do atheists believe in love? Do you believe we have a conscience? Can you prove it?

The question regarding quantitative analysis- how do you decide what is most or least likely of the following: always was, prime mover, something from nothing. Show your work. Oh, prime mover is probably what you are thinking. Check out Aristotle and Aquinas for further.

The evidence isn't good enough for YOU. There isn't any evidence good enough for you. God, higher power, is just one of many. I believe my faith is reasoned, but you keep forgetting; either purposefully or buying into the purposeful forum narrative that I am here to persuade, convert, or proselytize. God need not even be mentioned. It is this forum that attempts to marginalize God. I've just called the bluff and exposed the evidentiary standard in the process.

It does require you to have evidence when you say there is no God. All these posts about simple disbelief belies that assertation. I know the score.

By the way I post from my phone and things are sometimes jumbled or misspelled as a result. You see some in this forum alluded to my ip address when I used to use a computer. Many others have physically threatened me. So much for freethinking.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#69745 Mar 17, 2013
I just typed up a long response i was very satisfied with and my computer lost it all.....ugh... Very very very upsetting...

Sorry john, get a good sleep and I will try again tomorrow...

That is so frustrating.
John

United States

#69746 Mar 18, 2013
Been there. Take your time. Bob will hold down the fort in the interim :)

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