Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#69624 Mar 15, 2013
And then I'll join the opposition, because such a god could not be good.
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Science doesn't attempt to discuss god as there is not one shred of evidence that any god, gods or goddesses ever existed. when that first shred of evidence is found, it could be looked at in a scientific, ogical way.
John

United States

#69625 Mar 15, 2013
You skipped the questions. Now get your nothing out of here!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69626 Mar 15, 2013
John wrote:
Well thanks for sharing your nothing boys. Thanks for skipping the questions. Thanks for running from my challenge. Thanks for your presuppositions rather than accountable positions.
Fight that God, march, march,.march
And yes-- science is repeatable and observable. Which is why evolution is science, and your "prime mover" isn't.

You are still a coward, without a single argument.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69627 Mar 15, 2013
John wrote:
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost four years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Four years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 66,800 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.
And yes-- science is repeatable and observable. Which is why evolution is science, and your "prime mover" isn't.

You are still a coward, without a single argument.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69628 Mar 15, 2013
John wrote:
Beautiful day for a loon parade. Society marginalizes your kind with good reason.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
And yes-- science is repeatable and observable. Which is why evolution is science, and your "prime mover" isn't.

You are still a coward, without a single argument.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69629 Mar 15, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
I will say that there are many possibilities and all of us (theists and atheists) could be wrong... This may all be an illusion and nothing outside of the mind of the person reading this exists. Maybe everything WAS created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Some answers are more reasonable than others. That doesn't make them correct... But it does make it more likely. Faith is a virus of reason.

After years of advancements in technology I find it more reasonable to believe the parts that make up my cell phone are what makes it work. It could be magic that is only granted to each device by a cell phone fairy...but I find it highly unlikely to the point where I dismiss it and I don't find it to be dishonest to do so unless evidence is provided to change my mind. If someone does believe in the cell phone fairy but only because of faith and they turn out to be correct... It wouldn't have meant anyone should have believed them for any reason unless of course they did have evidence in which case faith is irrelevant.
Your point about a MATRIX-like existence is certainly possible as we understand things.

In fact, it could be even worse: we could simply be computer-programs running on a massive super-computer, created by our distant descendants, in order to re-create their past for study.

There really is no reasonable way to tell if that or a MATRIX is correct.

You can choose to give up, and presume we are either a simulation or MATRIX or something along those lines.

Or you can assume that our 5 senses, if properly filtered by measurement aids (that help to remove our biological biases-- such as a yardstick for measuring length, etc) do report fairly accurately, what reality is.

It's a safe assumption, even if it isn't real-- and if reality is reality? You've lived your single allotment of life, in a rational and hopefully, fulfilling way.

And in the end, be it simulated or real? What else >>can<< you do?

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69630 Mar 15, 2013
Sparklestrips4U wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why does Mr Obama believe in God?
What makes you so certain that he does?

Hmmm?

Think about it: to win the top office in the religiously-bigoted USA, the safest course, is to claim to follow the majority religion.

An atheist or agnostic as president would be assassinated by a True Believer™ within weeks of taking office.

History has demonstrated time and time again, what True Believers™ are capable of.

It's a lesson all nonbelievers know by heart-- those that are still alive, that is.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69631 Mar 15, 2013
John wrote:
You loons have absolutely zero evidence in this arena you hold others accountable to. Since you are so mentally disturbed you need a forum for something you don't believe in support your claims. Of course you can't and your agenda is horrific for the scientific process.
You skipped my questions again by the way.
Still no evidence or accountable position in the atheism forum.
Great stab at it empAtheist. Instead of a holographic universe maybe its alien seeding.
How do bigots decide what is more or least likely: always was, prime mover, something from nothing? I'll decide if your process is reasonable and logical. Show your work.
And yes-- science is repeatable and observable. Which is why evolution is science, and your "prime mover" isn't.

You are still a coward, without a single argument.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69632 Mar 15, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
:)
And yes-- science is repeatable and observable. Which is why evolution is science, and your "prime mover" isn't.

You are still a coward, without a single argument.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69633 Mar 15, 2013
John wrote:
Francis Collins mapped our entire genetic code and sees design. You loons got zip for your nothing.
So?

Science is repeatable and observable. Which is why evolution is science, and your "prime mover" isn't.

You are still a coward, without a single argument.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#69634 Mar 15, 2013
John wrote:
You skipped the questions. Now get your nothing out of here!
And yes-- science is repeatable and observable. Which is why evolution is science, and your "prime mover" isn't.

You are still a coward, without a single argument.
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#69635 Mar 15, 2013
Have you how noticed John struggles with the reply function?

That takes a level of dumb rarely seen in the animal world.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
And yes-- science is repeatable and observable. Which is why evolution is science, and your "prime mover" isn't.
You are still a coward, without a single argument.
John

United States

#69636 Mar 15, 2013
How do you decide what is more or least likely Bob: always was, prime mover, something from nothing. Show your work instead of throwing out arbitrary words like science.

Nutbag Bob is prepared to accept the possibility of a Star Trek episode over a higher power LOL.

Thanks for the help Bob. You are my favorite puppet.

I notice you skipped my questions which you claim to have answered and just wrote the word evolution. Your agenda is a danger to science and freethought.

Still no evidence or accountable position in an atheism forum.

March, march, march, hate that God you don't believe in.
John

United States

#69637 Mar 15, 2013
Your nothing is repeatable and observable. Got anything relevant. Of course you don't!
John

United States

#69638 Mar 15, 2013
Absolutely. Right back at ya. Originally I simply asked the forum what they believed and noted that antitheism is in my experience all too often the default. Being a believer is/was irrelevant. I was accurate and antitheists showed their true colors, lashing out against a God they don't believe in and a God I was not attempting to shove down their throats.
Ruling out possibilities is not freethinking. We don't know what we don't know. Attacking/marginalizing belief isn't intellectually honest when nothing meets the repeatable and observable standard. Four years of no evidence in the atheism forum is enough for me to conclude this. I've asked the question hundreds of times and many claim to have provided it, but that's a lie. No sugarcoating it.
The conversation devolved quickly as (the way I see it) their was a group attack effort to bring this God they seem to hate into the equation. This did not dissuade me as I chose to stay on point. I was clear my intentions were not to make any claims, I was an am.simply pointing out intellectual dishonesty.
I continued trying to get the "rules" for evidence after all attempts to get answers to legitiamate questions failed. I sought these rules in response to the neverending attacks to further expose the forum. I offered to debate the evidences/reasons I believe in a prime mover vs any accountable position of belief that meets the criteria I was given. This challenge was not accepted. There will be claims otherwise but I guarrantee you won't find what I've asked. Now imagine doing this dance for four years simply because I refuse to debate nothing. I didn't set out to mock simple disbelief, that fine but this isn't that and I think you know it.
Name a subject I get to ask all the questions on and your job is to defend it, over and over and over and over again. How about science? Get my point? It's even more ridiculous considering I've exposed the standard. Remember my question regarding evidence quantification? Never answered relevantly.
Nonbelievers like yourself leave pretty quickly and they should. You may find it glib but what is the point of a forum about nothing? This is an agenda that stifles true freethought.
A simple I don't know...end forum would have sufficed. Now its a game to me to see how many years this forum will be intellectualy dishonest in their fight for nothing.
I appreciate your consideration but I've done this multiple times with decent folk like yourself. I won't debate in front of the kids without the reasonable prerequisites I've asked for. A simple no to my question should have been the response years ago LOL. Back to cut and paste. ;)
John

United States

#69639 Mar 15, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle ithought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 66,850 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
John

United States

#69640 Mar 15, 2013
Don't forget to watch the Bible series on the History Channel, ratings are through the roof.!
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#69641 Mar 15, 2013
The UK History Channel doesn't carry that one, mainly because it would have to be renamed the Fiction Channel.
John wrote:
Don't forget to watch the Bible series on the History Channel, ratings are through the roof.!

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#69642 Mar 15, 2013
Note to lurkers. I have tried to debate with John, but he refuses to debate. Until he provides *some* evidence for god...
John

United States

#69643 Mar 15, 2013
Bollocks. You skipped the questions by the way.

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