Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70650 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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John

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#69033 Mar 2, 2013
How do irrational liberal atheists decide which of the following is most or least likely: always was, prime mover, something from nothing.
Show everyone your exacting scientific process. Lmao

I've exposed you for years, now its time to admit you are simply bigots or leave.

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#69034 Mar 2, 2013
I think he is speaking to you Bob of Quantum-Faith .. are you going to respond ??

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#69035 Mar 2, 2013
guess not John ..........

001 ... How did life originate?.. Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted ...“Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell ... Andrew Knoll .. professor of biology .. Harvard .. said ..“we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”... A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins .. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe .. not even one average-sized functional protein would form ... So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?... See:
15 loopholes in the evolutionary THEORY of the origin of life (Summary).. http://creation.com/loopholes .. Video on Question 1 of 15 .. http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed...

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#69036 Mar 2, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Exactly. They think that just because we cannot explain everything that this equals to being proof of their god. They will not argue for proof of their magical skydaddy from their own proof cause they have none. All they can do is try to poke holes in the theory of Evolution and try to use them to argue the existence of their god as if atheism depended upon the theory of Evolution for subsistence.They wasnt simple answers for everything, instead of engaging in real scientific inquiry.
And there will always be a question we can't answer. It's much easier to come up with questions than answers, unless the answer to every question is "Zap! God did it!". Also, some of the answers might be beyond the ability for humans to comprehend.

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#69037 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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So this life stuff came from the core of a star and landed on earth in a mud puddle and then lighting struck and created life?
Have you ever taken a basic science class?
That's not what I said.
The chemical elements were formed in the cores of stars.(And during novas and super novas.)

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#69038 Mar 2, 2013
sounds like a little back peddling to me ... and they claim evolution is not a theory ... lol !!!!!

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#69039 Mar 2, 2013
His-truth wrote:
guess not John ..........
001 ... How did life originate?.. Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted ...“Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell ... Andrew Knoll .. professor of biology .. Harvard .. said ..“we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”... A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins .. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe .. not even one average-sized functional protein would form ... So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?... See:
15 loopholes in the evolutionary THEORY of the origin of life (Summary).. http://creation.com/loopholes .. Video on Question 1 of 15 .. http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed...
LOL, stupid fundie.
Wait, that's redundant.
LOL, fundie.
Evolutionary theory deals with how life developed after its origin.

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#69040 Mar 2, 2013
and its origin is ...........

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#69041 Mar 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Simple, adding in the creator you still need the "puddle, elements and energy," all you do is add a bunch of new questions of "where did the creator come from?" or "what created the creator?" as well as "which of the creators is more likely possible?" and finally "why did all the religions get the wrong creator?"
"adding in the creator you still need the "puddle, elements and energy,"

No you don't!

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#69042 Mar 2, 2013
well ... I guess Rose_noho has no response ... therefore

001 ... How did the DNA code originate?.. The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters .. just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen)... What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?.. How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

See:.. http://creation.com/code .. The genetic information code points to an intelligent source ... http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed... .. Video on Question 2

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#69043 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Because there is not one teensy eensy shred of evidence of any creator.

there is tons of evidence that all the building blocks of life are readily abundant in the universe and life seems to thrive in even the most hostile of environments we have physically looked at.
On earth. No life found anywhere else.

"evidence of any creator"

"The best evidence for design can be seen in the nature of the universe and how it came to be. The process of discovery continues, since one of the fundamental properties of the universe, dark energy (or the cosmological constant), was discovered late in the last century. New studies continue to add to our knowledge about the universe and its extremely unlikely makeup.

The Big Bang
The Big Bang theory states that the universe arose from a singularity of virtually no size, which gave rise to the dimensions of space and time, in addition to all matter and energy. At the beginning of the Big Bang, the four fundamental forces began to separate from each other. Early in its history (10^-36 to 10^-32 seconds), the universe underwent a period of short, but dramatic, hyper-inflationary expansion. The cause of this inflation is unknown, but was required for life to be possible in the universe.

Excess quarks
Quarks and antiquarks combined to annihilate each other. Originally, it was expected that the ratio of quarks and antiquarks to be exactly equal to one, since neither would be expected to have been produced in preference to the other. If the ratio were exactly equal to one, the universe would have consisted solely of energy - not very conducive to the existence of life. However, recent research showed that the charge ½parity violation could have resulted naturally given the three known masses of quark families.1 However, this just pushes fine tuning a level down to ask why quarks display the masses they have. Those masses must be fine tuned in order to achieve a universe that contains any matter at all.

Large, just right-sized universe
Even so, the universe is enormous compared to the size of our Solar System. Isn't the immense size of the universe evidence that humans are really insignificant, contradicting the idea that a God concerned with humanity created the universe? It turns out that the universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen.2 Likewise, the universe could not have been much larger than it is, or life would not have been possible. If the universe were just one part in 10^59 larger,3 the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. Since there are only 10^80 baryons in the universe, this means that an addition of just 10^21 baryons (about the mass of a grain of sand) would have made life impossible. The universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

Early evolution of the universe
Cosmologists assume that the universe could have evolved in any of a number of ways, and that the process is entirely random. Based upon this assumption, nearly all possible universes would consist solely of thermal radiation (no matter). Of the tiny subset of universes that would contain matter, a small subset would be similar to ours. A very small subset of those would have originated through inflationary conditions. Therefore, universes that are conducive to life "are almost always created by fluctuations into these 'miraculous' states," according to atheist cosmologist Dr. L. Dyson.4

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_g...

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#69044 Mar 2, 2013
"you still need the "puddle / elements and energy"

um, a puddle IS an element (matter).. inorder for LIFE .. what 3rd element are you missing ...[hint].. life is triune

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#69045 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Because there is not one teensy eensy shred of evidence of any creator.

there is tons of evidence that all the building blocks of life are readily abundant in the universe and life seems to thrive in even the most hostile of environments we have physically looked at.
Part 2

"Just right laws of physics
The laws of physics must have values very close to those observed or the universe does not work "well enough" to support life. What happens when we vary the constants? The strong nuclear force (which holds atoms together) has a value such that when the two hydrogen atoms fuse, 0.7% of the mass is converted into energy. If the value were 0.6% then a proton could not bond to a neutron, and the universe would consist only of hydrogen. If the value were 0.8%, then fusion would happen so readily that no hydrogen would have survived from the Big Bang. Other constants must be fine-tuned to an even more stringent degree. The cosmic microwave background varies by one part in 100,000. If this factor were slightly smaller, the universe would exist only as a collection of diffuse gas, since no stars or galaxies could ever form. If this factor were slightly larger, the universe would consist solely of large black holes. Likewise, the ratio of electrons to protons cannot vary by more than 1 part in 10^37 or else electromagnetic interactions would prevent chemical reactions. In addition, if the ratio of the electromagnetic force constant to the gravitational constant were greater by more than 1 part in 10^40, then electromagnetism would dominate gravity, preventing the formation of stars and galaxies. If the expansion rate of universe were 1 part in 10^55 less than what it is, then the universe would have already collapsed. The most recently discovered physical law, the cosmological constant or dark energy, is the closest to zero of all the physical constants. In fact, a change of only 1 part in 10^120 would completely negate the effect.

Universal probability bounds
"Unlikely things happen all the time." This is the mantra of the anti-design movement. However, there is an absolute physical limit for improbable events to happen in our universe. The universe contains only 10^80 baryons and has only been around for 13.7 billion years (10^18 sec). Since the smallest unit of time is Planck time (10^-45 sec),5 the lowest probability event that can ever happen in the history of the universe is:

1/1080 x 1/1018 x 1/1045 =1/10143"

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#69046 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Because there is not one teensy eensy shred of evidence of any creator.

there is tons of evidence that all the building blocks of life are readily abundant in the universe and life seems to thrive in even the most hostile of environments we have physically looked at.
Part 3

"So, although it would be possible that one or two constants might require unusual fine-tuning by chance, it would be virtually impossible that all of them would require such fine-tuning. Some physicists have indicated that any of a number of different physical laws would be compatible with our present universe. However, it is not just the current state of the universe that must be compatible with the physical laws. Even more stringent are the initial conditions of the universe, since even minor deviations would have completely disrupted the process. For example, adding a grain of sand to the weight of the universe now would have no effect. However, adding even this small amount of weight at the beginning of the universe would have resulted in its collapse early in its history.

What do cosmologists say?
Even though many atheists would like to dismiss such evidence of design, cosmologists know better, and have made statements such as the following, which reveal the depth of the problem for the atheistic worldview:

"This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine-tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'."
"Polarization is predicted. It's been detected and it's in line with theoretical predictions. We're stuck with this preposterous universe."
"In all of these worlds statistically miraculous (but not impossible) events would be necessary to assemble and preserve the fragile nuclei that would ordinarily be destroyed by the higher temperatures. However, although each of the corresponding histories is extremely unlikely, there are so many more of them than those that evolve without "miracles," that they would vastly dominate the livable universes that would be created by Poincare recurrences. We are forced to conclude that in a recurrent world like de Sitter space our universe would be extraordinarily unlikely"

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_g...

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#69047 Mar 2, 2013
this is for Langoliers . . . matter / energy and ....

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#69048 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how do you know there isn't?
Isn't lack of evidence proof?

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#69049 Mar 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how do yuo kill a myth?

are you the one that killed the Easter bunny? you feind!
Prove it true.

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#69050 Mar 2, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever taken a basic science class?
That's not what I said.
The chemical elements were formed in the cores of stars.(And during novas and super novas.)
And some how landed in earth. Either straight into a mud puddle or near by where rain could wash it to the puddle where it waited until lightning struck the mud puddle creating life.

How's that? More less what you believe?

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#69051 Mar 2, 2013
Langoliers .. take your meds .. lol !!

question 01 ==== http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TMQ7EN3HI...
question 02 ==== http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TMQ7EN3HI...

question 03 ... How could mutations .. accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged .. deleted or added .. genes duplicated .. chromosome inversions .. etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things?...
How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist?... There is information for how to make proteins but also for controlling their use .. much like a cookbook contains the ingredients as well as the instructions for how and when to use them ... One without the other is useless .. See: Meta-information:.. An impossible conundrum for evolution ... Mutations are known for their destructive effects .. including over 1,000 human diseases such as hemophilia ... Rarely are they even helpful .. But how can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines with many components .. to make ‘goo-to-you’ evolution possible?.. E.g... How did a 32-component rotary motor like ATP synthase (which produces the energy currency .. ATP, for all life).. or robots like kinesin (a ‘postman’ delivering parcels inside cells) originate?

See:.. http://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-co... .. The evolution train’s a-comin’(Sorry .. a-goin’—in the wrong direction)... http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed... .. Video on Question 3
John

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#69052 Mar 2, 2013
Francis Collins mapped our genetic code and believes in design. All you loons had to do was not be bigots and we wouldn't relish exposing you so much. I was clear my intentions were not attempts to persuade or convert you, but when you became so.insistent on mocking believers I challenged you. You have failed miserably and your nothing deserves ridicule.

Rose voted for Obama so she is one of the most gullible of the bigots. Nice duck job Rose. People do notice there is never any evidence in your forum.

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