Atheists on the march in America

[John]

sickofit wrote:

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LOL....ok...religion has killed hundreds of billions over the centuries...Atheism maybe a few million......YEA LIAR WHATEVER..........

Wrong. Saying otherwise exposes you for the bigoted loon you are. Tell me about your rules for evidence LOL.

Welcome to stumpville!

[John]

My nothing this is entertainrining. You wouldn't think a forum with no evidence or example of evidence that meets their own criteria would be. You wouldn't think loons that have been exposed as intellectual cowards would be. Entertain me nothing puppets lmao!

[sickofit]

John wrote:

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Wrong. Saying otherwise exposes you for the bigoted loon you are. Tell me about your rules for evidence LOL.
Welcome to stumpville!

LOL LOL>.....good lord facts are fact idiot....I am not bigoted at all. I except all people as equals and all people have freedom and civil rights to be and live as they wish......

The evidence I am speaking off is taught from grade school on up to any college. Now for you home schooled or religosu school taught they left out all those facts..So sorry you did not get educated in anything but christian hate and bigotry.

[Langoliers]

polymath257 wrote:

<quoted text>No, that is not what I said at all.

Invoking God as the creator of the universe means you no longer have to figure out what, exactly happened at the beginning of the universe: you have a pat answer that actually answers nothing.

Invoking God as the creator of life means you no longer have to figure out exactly how life got started. You no longer have to understand the physics, chemistry and biology of life, but can use a pat answer that actually answers nothing.

Invoking God for the diversity of life means you no longer have to figure out exactly how life has diversified over time. You have a pat answer that actually answers nothing.

To see if you *really* have an answer to a question, see if the same answer would just as easily provide an 'answer' to the opposite question. If it equally well would explain the diversity of life as its lack of diversity, with no change in the explanation, then you have no explanation at all.
So, yes, simple-minded intellectual laziness. Instead of having to think deeply, you declare *poof* God did it and no longer have to think.

Not a good theory.
China knows where a lot of stuff is made yet they take it a part and try and learn from it and try to reproduce it.

Just because God made stuff doesn't mean we can't try and learn about it.

If life was self generating why does all life have DNA? one would think with all the different plant and animal life on the planet at least one other type of genetic coding would have arose, Using mutation and randomness. Rather odd that all life uses the same DNA coding.
So either there was one creator or one spontaneous life form, and that no other life was ever self generated again in 4 billion years. One speck arose shortly after the earth formed and then nothing else for billions of years. Rather odd!

[John]

Facts are facts I agree. Homeschoolers score higher on intelligence tests than public school students. Other facts I enjoy- your nothing is illogical. Obama is a proven liar. Climate change is cyclical. Religious give more to charity than nonreligious. Conservatives more than liberals.

Go find the Obama loving progressive gun control cop killer. Your nothing is noted.

[sickofit]

John wrote:

Facts are facts I agree. Homeschoolers score higher on intelligence tests than public school students. Other facts I enjoy- your nothing is illogical. Obama is a proven liar. Climate change is cyclical. Religious give more to charity than nonreligious. Conservatives more than liberals.
Go find the Obama loving progressive gun control cop killer. Your nothing is noted.

Homeschoolers fail at history adn science and anything delaing with fact and mdoern times...Oh eys they read good and do math good. But other then that there only filled with hate and bigotry and racism all day.

[John]

Have you seen the size of some of those home schoolers!? They are too big to fail. I find your racist views and animal abuse abhorent. Atheism is a cult of hate.

[sickofit]

John wrote:

Have you seen the size of some of those home schoolers!? They are too big to fail. I find your racist views and animal abuse abhorent. Atheism is a cult of hate.

Every homeschooler I have seen is pale and malnourished and sickly looking.

Athiesm is the absence of hate........

Anyway time to go..Close up my store and head home.. Gonna go out to eat with my wife and then hit the bar and have some drinks with friends.....BYE LOSER...READ YOUR BUYBULL..

[John]

Good night. Thanks for all the evidence to consider.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

[John]

Remember folks atheism is the absence of hate. Bwahahaha!!!!#$@

[Langoliers]

John wrote:

Remember folks atheism is the absence of hate. Bwahahaha!!!!#$@

LOL

[polymath257]

Langoliers wrote:

If life was self generating why does all life have DNA? one would think with all the different plant and animal life on the planet at least one other type of genetic coding would have arose, Using mutation and randomness. Rather odd that all life uses the same DNA coding.

Except that it doesn't. There *are* variants of the DNA to amino acid 'code'. For example, the mitochondria in your cells use a different code. There are also variants in archaebacteria. We have viruses with no DNA, only RNA.

Your own argument shows how you are wrong.

As you said: not a good theory.

[Langoliers]

polymath257 wrote:

<quoted text>Except that it doesn't. There *are* variants of the DNA to amino acid 'code'. For example, the mitochondria in your cells use a different code. There are also variants in archaebacteria. We have viruses with no DNA, only RNA.

Your own argument shows how you are wrong.

As you said: not a good theory.

I stand correct. DNA and RNA is in all life.

"All living organisms store genetic information using the same molecules — DNA and RNA. Written in the genetic code of these molecules is compelling evidence of the shared ancestry of all living things. Evolution of higher life forms requires the development of new genes to support different body plans and types of nutrition. Even so, complex organisms retain many genes that govern core metabolic functions carried over from their primitive past."

Again I ask if spontaneous life (or what ever you want to call it) started shortly after the earth was formed. Why is it that one speck of life is the mother of all life? Why in the next 4 billion years didn't a different type of life emerge? Something that didn't use DNA and/or RNA?

One creator/designer?

[Rose_NoHo]

John wrote:

Facts are facts I agree. Homeschoolers score higher on intelligence tests than public school students. Other facts I enjoy- your nothing is illogical. Obama is a proven liar. Climate change is cyclical. Religious give more to charity than nonreligious. Conservatives more than liberals.
Go find the Obama loving progressive gun control cop killer. Your nothing is noted.

Do you fundie con dumbs get points for mentioning Obama's name in every topic? And the more off topic the mention of his name is, the more points you get?

[polymath257]

Langoliers wrote:

China knows where a lot of stuff is made yet they take it a part and try and learn from it and try to reproduce it.
Just because God made stuff doesn't mean we can't try and learn about it.

And we do that already. But we also try to understand how life was in the past, and how it has changed over time. We look at distant galaxies to understand how the universe at large works. And guess what? The hypothesis of God doesn't help *at all* in understanding anything.

For example, even if you assume that God did it all, we still can look at the evidence and say that the universe was hotter and denser in the past than it is now. We can also say that at one point it was hot and dense enough for nuclear reactions to happen. So, even with the God assumption, the Big Bang still happened.

In regard t life, we still know that there was bacterial life only about 3.8 billion years ago. We also know that there were no mammals 500 million years ago. We still know that species change over time. So, even with the assumption that God did it all, we still know that evolution happened.

We also know that there was no life on Earth before about 4.1 billion years ago because the conditions on the Earth didn't allow it. So sometime before 4.1 and 3.8 billion years ago, we know that life got started. Furthermore, we know what chemicals existed at that point and how those chemicals combine to give more complicated chemicals that are relevant for life. So even if God did it all, we still would study *exactly* the same things we are now about how life began.

The point? The assumption that God did it all leads to no understanding of the processes. It leads to no experimental results. It leads to no theoretical results that are testable. In other words, it is *useless* as a scientific hypothesis. And that is why science can ignore the issue entirely.

[Rose_NoHo]

Langoliers wrote:

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I stand correct. DNA and RNA is in all life.
"All living organisms store genetic information using the same molecules — DNA and RNA. Written in the genetic code of these molecules is compelling evidence of the shared ancestry of all living things. Evolution of higher life forms requires the development of new genes to support different body plans and types of nutrition. Even so, complex organisms retain many genes that govern core metabolic functions carried over from their primitive past."
Again I ask if spontaneous life (or what ever you want to call it) started shortly after the earth was formed. Why is it that one speck of life is the mother of all life? Why in the next 4 billion years didn't a different type of life emerge? Something that didn't use DNA and/or RNA?

That's just the way things worked out.

Langoliers wrote:

One creator/designer?

There is no evidence of a creator/designer.

[polymath257]

Langoliers wrote:

Again I ask if spontaneous life (or what ever you want to call it) started shortly after the earth was formed. Why is it that one speck of life is the mother of all life? Why in the next 4 billion years didn't a different type of life emerge? Something that didn't use DNA and/or RNA?
One creator/designer?

Because the life that existed was using the resources and a different basis for genetics would not have had a chance to get going. Now, if you go back to *very* early life, it is quite possible there were several different lines that merged to make the lines we see today. But that would have been early enough that there could still be 'cross talk' between different lines.

[BBSting]

sickofit wrote:

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Leading people to a myth????? Sounds better for you nazi fascist religous freaks..
My health is fantastic. I am a pure athelete and in better shape then most pro atheletes...
I am not a fat bald short dicked inbreed like you far righters.I AM A REAL MAN

Your body may be healthy, but your brain needs a lot of work.

[-Skeptic-]

BBSting wrote:

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Your body may be healthy, but your brain needs a lot of work.

This is coming from the guy who can't prove a single word of the bible and thinks that the earth is 6000 years old.

[John]

Antitheists have no real way to measure evidence. Using their own standards has gotten them zero evidence. I've asked this many times before. It is ignored by the stumpees.

How does a nothing decide which is most or least likely: something from nothing, always was, prime mover. Show your work loons and make sure it adheres to your limiting paramaters.

Now rather than get bogged down in quibbling over what the standard for evidence is. Which is generous of me considering the hypocrisy of you bigots. I've suggested you make the case for your nothing and I'll make the case for my something. It's your forum and you can't even feign substance. The arguments for a prime mover scare you to death.

That's ok, I enjoy exposing your quackery.

CBO expects 7 million to be displaced from employer insurance due to Obamacare. Add millions of illegals on top of that. Priceless. Tick, tock