Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle thought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 64,940 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

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It is sad because they lose their ability to use logic and reason, which is what makes us unique.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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To be a True Believer? You must first learn how to suppress any and all..
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The reject who says we are made of god-stuff wants to bash science?

Let me explain something to you half wit, even if we don't have all the answers we don't assign those unknowns to an imaginary god. Instead we keep researching and progressing.

You ilk thought the world was square flat and rested on top of pillars.
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Science knows HOW to some extent, but it doesn't know WHY. The chief "causes" for the orderly evolution of creatures is entirely unknown, which means that science is looking for truth in all the wrong places.
It needs a new superhero to show the way. Stephen Hawkings is a defector. His theories would turn science into another religion. "If the Grand Unification Theory were constructed, then the greatest triumph in human endeavor would be realized. For then we would know the mind of God." - A Brief History of Time - Stephen Hawking.
The narcissistic Richard Dawkins is too busy debating Christians for the publicity to spend any time filling the gaping holes in the theory of evolution.
No. Science needs a hero with the mythical qualities of a "phoenix" to arise out of the ashes of its dead evolution theory, and explain the production of a blade of grass using natural laws ordained by no intention. A magical feat indeed!
The conundrum for science has always been backasswards thinking. From matter backward into energy rather than from energy forward into matter and form. It places the cart before the horse.

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What's the alternative?
Ah, the myth of Atheist obligation.
The creation story in Genesis is clearly a myth. We can't have day and night without a sun, and plants can't grow without one. Snakes can't talk.
That story is dismissed. That doesn't obligate me to explain how the universe did begin.
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Let's look at the atheist's favorite fairy tale, Darwin's brainstorm, called the theory of evolution. Say you're making a giraffe. The necessary mutation would be a long neck for eating leaves. But first the giraffe has to be a pre-giraffe because a long neck isn't going to help a pre-lion who eats meat, or a pre-zebra who eats grass. The long neck mutation is only useful to an animal that already lives under trees, who is already trying to reach higher leaves before the mutation. But wait, if the pre-giraffe couldn't reach the leaves before the mutation, why the freak was it there in the first place? Was it just hanging around wistfully looking up at leaves waiting for a mutation? If this sounds ridiculous, it is! The combination of specific mutation and specific environment is so unlikely that even God couldn't make sense of it. LMAO!
So what?
I don't know the details of how giraffes came to be. You'll always be able to come up with something I can't explain. You might want to take a science class to understand evolution, and quit copy/pasting from creation "science" sites.
But I do know the story in the Buy-bull is absurd, so I reject it.
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Sciences answers don't belong to you loon. Make up a reasonable, rational, beginning. Those are just words. Even Gould knew sciences arena and limits. Get your meaningless words out of here bigot.

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insidesecrets wrote:
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Science knows HOW to some extent, but it doesn't know WHY. The chief "causes" for the orderly evolution of creatures is entirely unknown, which means that science is looking for truth in all the wrong places.
It needs a new superhero to show the way. Stephen Hawkings is a defector. His theories would turn science into another religion. "If the Grand Unification Theory were constructed, then the greatest triumph in human endeavor would be realized. For then we would know the mind of God." - A Brief History of Time - Stephen Hawking.
The narcissistic Richard Dawkins is too busy debating Christians for the publicity to spend any time filling the gaping holes in the theory of evolution.
No. Science needs a hero with the mythical qualities of a "phoenix" to arise out of the ashes of its dead evolution theory, and explain the production of a blade of grass using natural laws ordained by no intention. A magical feat indeed!
The conundrum for science has always been backasswards thinking. From matter backward into energy rather than from energy forward into matter and form. It places the cart before the horse.
Evolution is only an issue for a few fundies. Rational people accept it, look at the evidence.

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John wrote:
Good grief you antitheists are bat shit crazy. You have zero evidence that meet your rules for evidence. You post nothing in a forum about nothing. You hate a God you don't believe in. Keep up your convincing nonargument LOL.
In response to your fumbling attacks against believers I offered to debate the evidences/reasons for belief in a prime mover vs any accountable position. Your nothing has never been louder. It's interesting to watch cowards becoome bullies on the internet though.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
I've tried to get you to debate many, many times, but you won't.
You just copy/paste the same 3 or 4 posts.

Stump John, ask him to debate.

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Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>I've tried to get you to debate many, many times, but you won't.
You just copy/paste the same 3 or 4 posts.

Stump John, ask him to debate.
How stump a atheist:

Ask them to list what they do believe in.

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Langoliers wrote:
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How stump a atheist:
Ask them to list what they do believe in.
i believe langoliers will post the same BS on multiple sites...

hows that?

try to understand what atheism is before you talk about it...

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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i believe langoliers will post the same BS on multiple sites...

hows that?

try to understand what atheism is before you talk about it...
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

Religion

Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, FAITH, persuasion

faith\ˈfāth\
noun

b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof

Atheism

Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.

Hence - Atheism = Religion
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I don't debate nothing Rose. Woodtick, freethinkers understand what this forums brand of atheism is about. Hate for a God you don't believe in. Lack of evidence within your limiting rules.

How does Rose decide which is most or least likely based on the evidence? Always was, prime mover, something from nothing. Beat it Rose, you've ALL been exposed.

Nothing Bless

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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i believe langoliers will post the same BS on multiple sites...

hows that?

try to understand what atheism is before you talk about it...
Posted earlier by derek4.

LMAO – didn't know there were 7 states that don't allow atheists to hold public office.(It pays to spend most of my time researching these facts, and less time reading atheist responses, lol.)

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/184232/these-...

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Langoliers wrote:
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athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Religion
Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, FAITH, persuasion
faith\ˈfāth\
noun
b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Atheism
Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.
Hence - Atheism = Religion
Guess if you understood logic, you wouldn't be a fundie.
And I don't know why you fundies get off claiming atheism is a religion.
But...
My lack of belief in your god is no more a religion than your lack of belief in Thor.

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I don't debate nothing Rose. Woodtick, freethinkers understand what this forums brand of atheism is about. Hate for a God you don't believe in. Lack of evidence within your limiting rules.
How does Rose decide which is most or least likely based on the evidence? Always was, prime mover, something from nothing. Beat it Rose, you've ALL been exposed.
Nothing Bless
Again, John refuses to debate.

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But it doesn't take faith to discount the superstitious campfire legends of ancient sheep kissers. It takes reason, hence Atheism is the opposite of religion by your own definitions.
Langoliers wrote:
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athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Religion
Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, FAITH, persuasion
faith\ˈfāth\
noun
b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Atheism
Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.
Hence - Atheism = Religion

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So you celebrate bigotry?
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Posted earlier by derek4.
LMAO – didn't know there were 7 states that don't allow atheists to hold public office.(It pays to spend most of my time researching these facts, and less time reading atheist responses, lol.)
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/184232/these-...

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Langoliers wrote:
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athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Religion
Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, FAITH, persuasion
faith\ˈfāth\
noun
b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Atheism
Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.
Hence - Atheism = Religion
So your previous post made no sense seeing as how you have the definition...

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Langoliers wrote:
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Posted earlier by derek4.
LMAO – didn't know there were 7 states that don't allow atheists to hold public office.(It pays to spend most of my time researching these facts, and less time reading atheist responses, lol.)
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/184232/these-...
it is against the US constitution to have a religious test for office.
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Now you Obama voting loons want to invoke the Constitution. Hilarious! You skipped my question Rose. That's called a fact. It's not debatable.

March, march, march, hate that God,.march,,,
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Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 64,960 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True
science that is repeatable and observable.

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