Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70634 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#67730 Feb 8, 2013
Lighting his fart lol! Wtf iPhone!
Givemeliberty wrote:
Their god has been reduced to lighting his Farr to create the Big Bang.
<quoted text>
John

United States

#67731 Feb 8, 2013
Are you loons still fighting a God you don't believe in? Fight him! Call him names. No one will notice your insanity. Trust me.

Still no evidence or accountable position in the atheism forum. They have rules, but no evidence lmao.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67732 Feb 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the bible proves that the bible is true? seriously? i know you are not lame...
The Bible is evidence (not proof) that there is a God.

Then there is this.

"The best evidence for design can be seen in the nature of the universe and how it came to be. The process of discovery continues, since one of the fundamental properties of the universe, dark energy (or the cosmological constant), was discovered late in the last century. New studies continue to add to our knowledge about the universe and its extremely unlikely makeup.

The Big Bang
The Big Bang theory states that the universe arose from a singularity of virtually no size, which gave rise to the dimensions of space and time, in addition to all matter and energy. At the beginning of the Big Bang, the four fundamental forces began to separate from each other. Early in its history (10^-36 to 10^-32 seconds), the universe underwent a period of short, but dramatic, hyper-inflationary expansion. The cause of this inflation is unknown, but was required for life to be possible in the universe.

Excess quarks
Quarks and antiquarks combined to annihilate each other. Originally, it was expected that the ratio of quarks and antiquarks to be exactly equal to one, since neither would be expected to have been produced in preference to the other. If the ratio were exactly equal to one, the universe would have consisted solely of energy - not very conducive to the existence of life. However, recent research showed that the charge ½parity violation could have resulted naturally given the three known masses of quark families.1 However, this just pushes fine tuning a level down to ask why quarks display the masses they have. Those masses must be fine tuned in order to achieve a universe that contains any matter at all.

Large, just right-sized universe
Even so, the universe is enormous compared to the size of our Solar System. Isn't the immense size of the universe evidence that humans are really insignificant, contradicting the idea that a God concerned with humanity created the universe? It turns out that the universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen.2 Likewise, the universe could not have been much larger than it is, or life would not have been possible. If the universe were just one part in 10^59 larger,3 the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. Since there are only 10^80 baryons in the universe, this means that an addition of just 10^21 baryons (about the mass of a grain of sand) would have made life impossible. The universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

Early evolution of the universe
Cosmologists assume that the universe could have evolved in any of a number of ways, and that the process is entirely random. Based upon this assumption, nearly all possible universes would consist solely of thermal radiation (no matter). Of the tiny subset of universes that would contain matter, a small subset would be similar to ours. A very small subset of those would have originated through inflationary conditions. Therefore, universes that are conducive to life "are almost always created by fluctuations into these 'miraculous' states," according to atheist cosmologist Dr. L. Dyson.4

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_g...

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67733 Feb 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the bible proves that the bible is true? seriously? i know you are not lame...
Part 2

"Just right laws of physics
The laws of physics must have values very close to those observed or the universe does not work "well enough" to support life. What happens when we vary the constants? The strong nuclear force (which holds atoms together) has a value such that when the two hydrogen atoms fuse, 0.7% of the mass is converted into energy. If the value were 0.6% then a proton could not bond to a neutron, and the universe would consist only of hydrogen. If the value were 0.8%, then fusion would happen so readily that no hydrogen would have survived from the Big Bang. Other constants must be fine-tuned to an even more stringent degree. The cosmic microwave background varies by one part in 100,000. If this factor were slightly smaller, the universe would exist only as a collection of diffuse gas, since no stars or galaxies could ever form. If this factor were slightly larger, the universe would consist solely of large black holes. Likewise, the ratio of electrons to protons cannot vary by more than 1 part in 10^37 or else electromagnetic interactions would prevent chemical reactions. In addition, if the ratio of the electromagnetic force constant to the gravitational constant were greater by more than 1 part in 10^40, then electromagnetism would dominate gravity, preventing the formation of stars and galaxies. If the expansion rate of universe were 1 part in 10^55 less than what it is, then the universe would have already collapsed. The most recently discovered physical law, the cosmological constant or dark energy, is the closest to zero of all the physical constants. In fact, a change of only 1 part in 10^120 would completely negate the effect.

Universal probability bounds
"Unlikely things happen all the time." This is the mantra of the anti-design movement. However, there is an absolute physical limit for improbable events to happen in our universe. The universe contains only 10^80 baryons and has only been around for 13.7 billion years (10^18 sec). Since the smallest unit of time is Planck time (10^-45 sec),5 the lowest probability event that can ever happen in the history of the universe is:

1/1080 x 1/1018 x 1/1045 =1/10143"

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67734 Feb 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the bible proves that the bible is true? seriously? i know you are not lame...
Part 3

"So, although it would be possible that one or two constants might require unusual fine-tuning by chance, it would be virtually impossible that all of them would require such fine-tuning. Some physicists have indicated that any of a number of different physical laws would be compatible with our present universe. However, it is not just the current state of the universe that must be compatible with the physical laws. Even more stringent are the initial conditions of the universe, since even minor deviations would have completely disrupted the process. For example, adding a grain of sand to the weight of the universe now would have no effect. However, adding even this small amount of weight at the beginning of the universe would have resulted in its collapse early in its history.

What do cosmologists say?
Even though many atheists would like to dismiss such evidence of design, cosmologists know better, and have made statements such as the following, which reveal the depth of the problem for the atheistic worldview:

"This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine-tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'."
"Polarization is predicted. It's been detected and it's in line with theoretical predictions. We're stuck with this preposterous universe."
"In all of these worlds statistically miraculous (but not impossible) events would be necessary to assemble and preserve the fragile nuclei that would ordinarily be destroyed by the higher temperatures. However, although each of the corresponding histories is extremely unlikely, there are so many more of them than those that evolve without "miracles," that they would vastly dominate the livable universes that would be created by Poincare recurrences. We are forced to conclude that in a recurrent world like de Sitter space our universe would be extraordinarily unlikely"

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_g...

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67735 Feb 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>The buy-bull is no more evidence of god's existence than the Star Wars movies are evidence of the existence of wookies.
So what is this buy-bull?

Is it a book on evolution?

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67736 Feb 8, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Backed up by pictures and videos on my Facebook page of my charity work and as has been stated before you have not offered a shred of reasoning to say it's not true.

Thanks for making me look good and yourself like a jackass.
You have every year documented?

Where did you copy your photo from?

So you take money from Porn and put it in a charity's, well done!

"you have not offered a shred of reasoning to say it's not true."

How's common sense sound?

Baaaaahaaaahaaaa
sickofit

Northfield, MN

#67737 Feb 8, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
So what is this buy-bull?
Is it a book on evolution?
No it is your cults handbook of hate an dignorance....You know the bible....BUY--BULL..notice how they sound the same...

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67738 Feb 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, of course I have an idea what it means. It's a pretty simplistic idea, after all. But the fact is that you haven't *proven* the existence of a creator. You make claims that some creator made the laws of physics, but you have not shown how that is possible, or whether it actually happened. You have shown no way to distinguish between a universe that simply has natural laws and one that has been created to have laws. In the absence of such a difference, it is simpler to take the known existence of natural laws as fundamental.

And even with your assumptions, your claim that a crystal of salt is designed is false.
Yup no proof that's why we use the word Faith! Look it up you'll see why we don't offer proof.

A crystal is designed by the creator.
The laws of physics were created by the creator. I was created by the creator.

It's a pretty simplistic idea you know.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#67739 Feb 8, 2013
Every trip yes.
Videos And pictures I took with my camera and phone.
Thank you so you admit it is a win win situation.
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You have every year documented?
Where did you copy your photo from?
So you take money from Porn and put it in a charity's, well done!
"you have not offered a shred of reasoning to say it's not true."
How's common sense sound?
Baaaaahaaaahaaaa
sickofit

Northfield, MN

#67740 Feb 8, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup no proof that's why we use the word Faith! Look it up you'll see why we don't offer proof.
A crystal is designed by the creator.
The laws of physics were created by the creator. I was created by the creator.
It's a pretty simplistic idea you know.
yes simplistic idea...FOR SIMPLE MINDED IGNORANT UNEDUCATED CAVEMEN......

In todays world we have things called facts and truths and science...WHICH HASDESTROYED YOUR CULT RELIGION...Why do you think for hundreds of eyars the church fought science so hard...THEY KNEW ONCE PEOPLE GOT EDUCATED THEY WOULD TURN FROM BS RELIGION./

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67741 Feb 8, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>Very funny,how could a manmade scripture proof the existance of a god??
Evidence not Proof.

You guys are so funny!
Prove this, prove that, proof!

LOL
John

United States

#67742 Feb 8, 2013
Facts, truths, logical, rational. Mere words from the bigotry gallery. Your nothing is ever so loud.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67743 Feb 8, 2013
sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>No it is your cults handbook of hate an dignorance....You know the bible....BUY--BULL..notice how they sound the same...
So is this buy-bull a book on spontaneous life?
sickofit

Northfield, MN

#67744 Feb 8, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
So is this buy-bull a book on spontaneous life?
It is your cults book you tell me.. Religion is the worst most vile thing humans ever created...We lost 400-600 years of progress because of religion. Think of how many brilliant people the church killed......SAD...

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67745 Feb 8, 2013
sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>It is your cults book you tell me.. Religion is the worst most vile thing humans ever created...We lost 400-600 years of progress because of religion. Think of how many brilliant people the church killed......SAD...
We lost? LOL what atheist?

Think of how many brilliant people were killed because if what they believed.
(Hitler killing of the Jewish people just one of many)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#67746 Feb 8, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup no proof that's why we use the word Faith! Look it up you'll see why we don't offer proof.
Which means there is no reason for me to believe it. Faith is a dereliction of our duty to think things through.
A crystal is designed by the creator.
The laws of physics were created by the creator. I was created by the creator.
It's a pretty simplistic idea you know.
I'd go so far as to say it is simple-minded. It is at base intellectual laziness: you don't get *real* answers, just answers that make you feel like you don't have to think any more about it.
sickofit

Northfield, MN

#67747 Feb 8, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
We lost? LOL what atheist?
Think of how many brilliant people were killed because if what they believed.
(Hitler killing of the Jewish people just one of many)
Yes how manypeople for 400-600 years did the church kill or torture and send away because they taught science or math??????

OH YOU CHRISTIANS OWN THE RECORD FOR DEATHS.........MORE HAVE DIED IN GODS NAME THEN ALL OTHER GROUPS COMBINED......THAT IS A FACT...

Very few very very few christians have been kiled because they were christians..........BUT BILLIONS HAVE BEEN KILLED EBCAUSE THEYE WERE NOT CHRISTIAN BY CHRISTIANS.......

Just some facst for you hitler boy.

Langoliers

Since: Apr 12

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#67748 Feb 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Which means there is no reason for me to believe it. Faith is a dereliction of our duty to think things through.

[QUOTE]A crystal is designed by the creator.
The laws of physics were created by the creator. I was created by the creator.
It's a pretty simplistic idea you know.
"

I'd go so far as to say it is simple-minded. It is at base intellectual laziness: you don't get *real* answers, just answers that make you feel like you don't have to think any more about it.
Lets see if I have this straight.

God could not have created the universe because you have proof that nothing exploded to create everything.

God could not have created life because you have proof the life just started on its own.

God could not have created different kinds of animals because you have proof that all plant and animal life came from one self generated life speck.

Simple minded?

Since: Nov 12

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#67749 Feb 8, 2013
sickofit wrote:
Time to take this nation back from the uber religous nazi pigs....Time to get this nation back in the hands of WE THE PEOPLE....No more religous control.
Back to what? Secular fascism?

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