Atheists on the march in America

[KittenKoder]

Robert F wrote:

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KittenKodder
If good is subjective, then there is no justice. If there is no justice then there is no morality. But if there is moral outrage when injustice is done....then good is not subjective.

Justice and morality is all subjective as well. You just choose a morality that can justify hatred instead of being accountable for them. Society chooses what is just.

[Lincoln]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Justice and morality is all subjective as well. You just choose a morality that can justify hatred instead of being accountable for them. Society chooses what is just.

in a materialist society?

Quantitative evaluation seems to question qualitative evaluation?

Problems with atheism is "now that God s dead anything is possible "

[Robert F]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen. We see this halfwit has been reduced to stealing my posts word for word.
Still waiting for you to show that your god is anything more than a product of someone's imagination.
Also do learn the difference between fact and opinion because you are really making a jackass out of yourself.
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Givemeliberty

lol....You are only half-way there....

We already reduced any argument with you to be a fallacy of ignorance....Take a second look in the mirror of words you present next time, and then take the next step and just admit it.

(By the way, I was never presenting a fact and opinion together. Others, including yourself inferred "good" is an opinion. It is part of your pre-conditioned response.)

Try and stay up with me. I am slow.

[KittenKoder]

Lincoln wrote:

<quoted text>in a materialist society?
Quantitative evaluation seems to question qualitative evaluation?
Problems with atheism is "now that God s dead anything is possible "

That is your own projection. When you need a "supreme" being to tell you what to do, then you are not capable of doing what is right. Society chooses right and wrong, it always has, some leaders just use the fear of a "supreme" being to trick you into following what they think should be right and wrong.

More to the point, if you need a god to keep you from murdering other humans, then you are inherently insane and a danger to the species.

[Robert F]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Atheists would be happy if any of you could demonstrate your god is anything more than your imaginary friend.
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Givemeliberty

I am slow.

If your an atheist, then I am going to fast.

I am going to slow down.

[Lincoln]

KittenKoder wrote:

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That is your own projection. When you need a "supreme" being to tell you what to do, then you are not capable of doing what is right. Society chooses right and wrong, it always has, some leaders just use the fear of a "supreme" being to trick you into following what they think should be right and wrong.
More to the point, if you need a god to keep you from murdering other humans, then you are inherently insane and a danger to the species.

You are projecting the idea that I am introducing God.

Atheists have a bad 20th century record of deciding what was right and wrong in East Germany.

Berlin Wall and people shot in the back an example of atheists in power?

[Rose_NoHo]

Robert F wrote:

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Rose NoHo
I tend to agree. Such persons are apatheists.
Similarly, atheists often act as if a person states they do believe in God, they are then obligated to come up with an explanation for...well, everything.(Note: A believer in God does not know everything, and because their God does know everything, does not mean that they know everything.)

The explanation people who believe in god give for everything is "god did it", or "god works in mysterious ways".
I'm just asking for evidence god exists.
Got any?

[Rose_NoHo]

Robert F wrote:

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Rose Noho
Pluto is a planet
Pluto is not a planet.
Are they both opinions? Are they both facts? Does a fact change into an opinion?
A rose smells good.
A rose does not smell good.

Do you have a point?

[KittenKoder]

Lincoln wrote:

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You are projecting the idea that I am introducing God.
Atheists have a bad 20th century record of deciding what was right and wrong in East Germany.
Berlin Wall and people shot in the back an example of atheists in power?

No, I was not projecting.

That was christian power.

[Rose_NoHo]

Lincoln wrote:

<quoted text>in a materialist society?
Quantitative evaluation seems to question qualitative evaluation?
Problems with atheism is "now that God s dead anything is possible "

LOL. Same game, different field.
Which god decides what is right? The one who said you should kill people who work on Saturdays? The god who said that's not the rule anymore?

[Bob of Quantum-Faith]

John wrote:

Bob of quantum nothing is back LOL. You must have some evidence. Surely you just aren't here to attack believers instead of bringing something of your own.
What did Bob learn in six months? Nothing. Bigotry stifles learning and is decidely not freethinking.
Anyone notice the antitheists duck anything substantive. Of course they have. Atheism exposed 101.

You what a list of proof you are lying?

I do keep track of all the times you've been REFUTED.

Here ya go:

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[Rose_NoHo]

Lincoln wrote:

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You are projecting the idea that I am introducing God.
Atheists have a bad 20th century record of deciding what was right and wrong in East Germany.
Berlin Wall and people shot in the back an example of atheists in power?

Were they shot in the name of atheism? If not, their being atheists is a non issue.

[Bob of Quantum-Faith]

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>Did your pastor let you in on the new things he learned about you? Maybe he's just setting you up for a fall. How did summer camp go this year?
>:]

I have no "senior pastor", silly bigot.

And I did not go to "summer camp" either.

You are truly losing it here-- but your personality is still as ugly as it was before.

Sad.

[Bob of Quantum-Faith]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Atheists would be happy if any of you could demonstrate your god is anything more than your imaginary friend.
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Indeed we would. Pity they cannot show their god to be anything other than mushroom-induced dreams.

[Bob of Quantum-Faith]

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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Were they shot in the name of atheism? If not, their being atheists is a non issue.

Yep. True Believers™ have trouble with that, it seems.

Must be because to them, everything is black or white.... sad

[Robert F]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Justice and morality is all subjective as well. You just choose a morality that can justify hatred instead of being accountable for them. Society chooses what is just.

KittenKoder

Justice can be subjective if in a vacuum. But since justice must operate with the other virtues to conform to circumstances, this is what allows a society to choose what is just.

One can say their society is just and it is just.
One can say their society is just, but it is not....

(Example Nazism, had justice, but it was not just.)

The other virtues prudence, fortitude, temperance, if not applied to justice then make a society "hateful".)

That include the individual and religions as well....

[tagit]

Thinking wrote:

Wankers trashing Dawkins' site is old news (2010).
I write "cu*t" in hotel bibles for balance.
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Doesn't make the fact that atheists are snarky, argumentative loonies any less truthful.

[polymath257]

Robert F wrote:

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Rose Noho
Pluto is a planet
Pluto is not a planet.
Are they both opinions? Are they both facts? Does a fact change into an opinion?
A rose smells good.
A rose does not smell good.

Not at all the same. In the case of Pluto, the matter was one of definition: by some definitions of the term 'planet', Pluto qualifies and by some other definitions it does not. The point is that the term 'planet' is a word that we use to help us understand the universe and picking the best definition is, in part, a matter of opinion. But once the definition is determined, so is the answer to the question of whether Pluto is a planet.

Part of the problem is that we have discovered quite a lot of balls of ice orbiting the sun and Pluto is not the largest. Pluto is also in a very strange orbit compared to the 'standard' planets. We also have to consider manner of origin and a number of other factors.

The question of whether a rose smells good is not simply a matter of definition. It is something that can vary from person to person. So it is a matter of *opinion*.

[Very Cynical Person]

tagit wrote:

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Doesn't make the fact that religious people are snarky, argumentative loonies any less truthful.

There fixed it for you.

[Robert F]

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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Do you have a point?

Rose

A rhetorical device to show our definitions are presumptive, therefore the outcomes are opinions.