Atheists on the march in America

[Robert F]

Rose_NoHo wrote:

The myth of atheist obligation:
Theists often act as if a person states they don't believe in god, they are obligated to come up with an alternate explanation for...well, everything.
But that's just not the case. Since there is no evidence for a god, there is no reason to even entertain the idea that there is one. Again, that doesn't obligate an atheist to come up with a counter to this god, to somehow explain how life, the universe and everything began.
People who claim there is a god should back up that claim with evidence. So, why don't they?

Rose NoHo

I tend to agree. Such persons are apatheists.

Similarly, atheists often act as if a person states they do believe in God, they are then obligated to come up with an explanation for...well, everything.(Note: A believer in God does not know everything, and because their God does know everything, does not mean that they know everything.)

[Robert F]

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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Do you know there is a difference between facts and opinions? A person can break down the scent of a rose to its chemical components. Someone can make a statement about the chemicals that is either true or false. Like "the scent this rose contains turpentine". Either it does or it doesn't. But whether or not a rose smells good is a matter of opinion.

Rose Noho

Pluto is a planet
Pluto is not a planet.

Are they both opinions? Are they both facts? Does a fact change into an opinion?

A rose smells good.
A rose does not smell good.

[Robert F]

KittenKoder wrote:

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"Good" is a subjective concept, that is all. It's time for you to enter the present, instead of living in the archaic past.

KittenKodder

If good is subjective, then there is no justice. If there is no justice then there is no morality. But if there is moral outrage when injustice is done....then good is not subjective.

[Robert F]

polymath257 wrote:

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It smells good to some people under certain circumstances. it isn't a fundamental property of the rose, but a property of how humans respond to the chemicals released by the rose. A pile of feces would smell good to a fly.

polymath257

This does not preclude the fact that good exists, in either case....

[Buck Crick]

Robert F wrote:

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Rose Noho
Pluto is a planet
Pluto is not a planet.
Are they both opinions? Are they both facts? Does a fact change into an opinion?
A rose smells good.
A rose does not smell good.

I knew a Rose who didn't smell so good.

But once you got past the smell,...she wasn't bad.

[Robert F]

Drew Smith wrote:

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The statement is ambiguous. Some people might find that a rose smells good, and others might find that it does not.

Drew Smith

Roses smell good.

No there is ambiguity in the mind of the observer, not in the statement....

So I will go out on a limb and say that to some roses do not smell good....

[Robert F]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Unless you are able to demonstrate where I have misspoken or made an error your ad hom attacks are meaningless and laughed at by your betters.
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Givemeliberty

Unless you are able to demonstrate where I have misspoken or made an error your ad hom attacks are meaningless and laughed at by your betters.

Since you argue out of ignorance, I refused further comment.

[nanoanomaly]

Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:

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Indeed not. Belief does not have to be reality-based.
Which is why it's flawed as a tool to learning new things.

Did your pastor let you in on the new things he learned about you? Maybe he's just setting you up for a fall. How did summer camp go this year?
>:]

[Givemeliberty]

Atheists would be happy if any of you could demonstrate your god is anything more than your imaginary friend.

Robert F wrote:

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Rose NoHo
I tend to agree. Such persons are apatheists.
Similarly, atheists often act as if a person states they do believe in God, they are then obligated to come up with an explanation for...well, everything.(Note: A believer in God does not know everything, and because their God does know everything, does not mean that they know everything.)

[Givemeliberty]

Ladies and gentlemen. We see this halfwit has been reduced to stealing my posts word for word.

Still waiting for you to show that your god is anything more than a product of someone's imagination.

Also do learn the difference between fact and opinion because you are really making a jackass out of yourself.

Robert F wrote:

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Givemeliberty
Unless you are able to demonstrate where I have misspoken or made an error your ad hom attacks are meaningless and laughed at by your betters.
Since you argue out of ignorance, I refused further comment.

[John]

Freethinkers would be happy if you didn't embarass them with a forum about nothing. Fight that God you don't believe in. March, fight! Gooooooo nothing.

Still no evidence in the atheism forum. Only the most gullible fall for their substantively devoid agenda. It does explain their Obama votes though.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

[Lincoln]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Atheists would be happy if any of you could demonstrate your god is anything more than your imaginary friend.
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Happy Atheists
should be our goal?:-)

[Thinking]

I believe you're a sad spunkmop.

John wrote:

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

[Givemeliberty]

You're goal should be progressing to a 10th grade education.

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Lincoln wrote:

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Happy Atheists
should be our goal?:-)

[BBSting]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen. We see this halfwit has been reduced to stealing my posts word for word.
Still waiting for you to show that your god is anything more than a product of someone's imagination.
Also do learn the difference between fact and opinion because you are really making a jackass out of yourself.
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The hatred of atheists towards Christians in general has turned its proponents into a pack of foul mouthed screeching monkeys, which even the abrasive Dawkins finds disturbing! He was attacked by a torrent of abuse from outraged fans over plans to rid his popular atheist internet forum of foul language, insults and frivolous gossip. Therapists say that rage is the flipside of helplessness. It seems to me, that the priority among atheists would be anger management just to avoid killing each other before they launch their campaign to save the world in the name of secularism. LMAO!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7322...

[John]

You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle thought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 64,540 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

[Thinking]

Wankers trashing Dawkins' site is old news (2010).
I write "cu*t" in hotel bibles for balance.

BBSting wrote:

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The hatred of atheists towards Christians in general has turned its proponents into a pack of foul mouthed screeching monkeys, which even the abrasive Dawkins finds disturbing! He was attacked by a torrent of abuse from outraged fans over plans to rid his popular atheist internet forum of foul language, insults and frivolous gossip. Therapists say that rage is the flipside of helplessness. It seems to me, that the priority among atheists would be anger management just to avoid killing each other before they launch their campaign to save the world in the name of secularism. LMAO!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7322...

[Lincoln]

John wrote:

Freethinkers would be happy if you didn't embarass them with a forum about nothing. Fight that God you don't believe in. March, fight! Gooooooo nothing.
Still no evidence in the atheism forum. Only the most gullible fall for their substantively devoid agenda. It does explain their Obama votes though.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

Atheism seems marginalized now that religion is not in public schools.

Ironic?

[Lincoln]

Givemeliberty wrote:

You're goal should be progressing to a 10th grade education.
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is momies widdle atheist a bit up set.

Atheism is oh soo serious

[Thinking]

No.

Lincoln wrote:

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Atheism seems marginalized now that religion is not in public schools.
Ironic?