Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since the advent of the internet, and a serious increase of sales in violent video games, we have seen a steady decline in criminal activity in the US, with the fastest decline in all of recorded history occurring between 1980 and 1990.
Medicine has enabled us to live not only longer but also comfortably.
Since the multiculturalism caused by the massive communications network world wide we have seen a huge decline in wars, this is literally an era with the least number of wars in all known history.
We can get clean water and food, and not have to worry as much if it will kill us. If it does contain something that winds up making us ill we can take a quick trip to the hospital and get it taken care of relatively painless to what it was like 50 years ago.
Better question: What hasn't scientific advancement done to help improve our species?
Sources? If you can't provide links - you are making this stuff up.

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Sources? If you can't provide links - you are making this stuff up.
www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Uni...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_W...
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Video_game_indu...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars

All nicely annotated so you can verify the data presented.

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Science hasn't failed to produce beneficial results yet. Religion has not succeeded in doing so. It's a fool who trusts that which does not deliver.
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Science has not failed. It is our trust in those promoters in science that makes one realize science has not delivered....

When I was younger, the promise was that in 10-15 years there would be "free" energy. Instead it costs 5 times what it used to....I am disappointed!

Likewise it is the promoters in religion that makes one think religion has not delievered.

When I was younger religion was respected, now it is ignored or spit upon....I am disappointed!

I am not disappointed in science, and religion. Rather, that they have been used, and in my lack of understanding, did not know it yet....

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Science has not failed. It is our trust in those promoters in science that makes one realize science has not delivered....
When I was younger, the promise was that in 10-15 years there would be "free" energy. Instead it costs 5 times what it used to....I am disappointed!
Likewise it is the promoters in religion that makes one think religion has not delievered.
When I was younger religion was respected, now it is ignored or spit upon....I am disappointed!
I am not disappointed in science, and religion. Rather, that they have been used, and in my lack of understanding, did not know it yet....
You are conflating corporations with scientists. You are also ignoring that the benefits from advancement far outweigh the few areas they have been unable to benefit ... yet.

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Oh, and religion has produced very little benefit, a placebo only works for so long before you need the real thing.
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"Violent TV, films and video games do increase aggression, an international panel of experts has said, as they warn parents to keep an eye on what their children are watching. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

War did not decline during the course of the 20th century. In fact, mankind experienced some of the most destructive wars of all times due to the invention of horrific weaponry.

http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/peace/c...

We are eating cheaper food with less and less nutrional content - thanks to the efforts of the scientifcally fueled manufactured food industry. These chemically altered counterfeit food stuffs have contributed to an epidemic of obseity and associated illnesses throughout the world.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/201...

Modern medicine kills more often than it cures. "Modern Medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and they're often more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to treat. ninety per cent of Modern Medicine could disappear from the face of the earth--doctors, hospitals, drugs and equipment--and the effect on our health would be immediate and beneficial." - Dr. Robert S. Mendolsohn

What makes your sources more valid than mine, other than your belief that they are?

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How do trips to the moon and computers "cure social illness"? Science, instead of promoting peace and brotherly love - has gone along with religion's warring proclivities by producing unconscionable weapons of mass destruction.
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The virtue of religion is love, prayer, sacrifice. So it is rather the opposite, the vices of man that make war and destruction.

Likewise, the virtue of knowledge does not make war, it is the vice(greed and envy) within men that make war and destruction.

Thus one needs to purge oneself of these vices, and pursue virtue. And in the pursuit of virtue these must be active and not just in the heart and mind. We are not all islands, to isolate ourselves....
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Oh, and religion has produced very little benefit, a placebo only works for so long before you need the real thing.
Not true. The placebo effect is measurable and quantifiable and often works better than the real thing with fewer side effects.
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The virtue of religion is love, prayer, sacrifice. So it is rather the opposite, the vices of man that make war and destruction.
Likewise, the virtue of knowledge does not make war, it is the vice(greed and envy) within men that make war and destruction.
Thus one needs to purge oneself of these vices, and pursue virtue. And in the pursuit of virtue these must be active and not just in the heart and mind. We are not all islands, to isolate ourselves....
Ours is a path marked by wonders of our own making, but also with barriers, and baffles and MOB border guards (kittykoder types) whose main purpose in life is to protect the scientifically engineered social status quo.

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You are conflating corporations with scientists. You are also ignoring that the benefits from advancement far outweigh the few areas they have been unable to benefit ... yet.
KittenKoder

Yes. I am conflating business with science. Just as the "military-industrial complex" exists. To deny that business and science are conflated is not rational. Likewise today more than ever political propaganda via "established news media" is probably 99% controlled, yet called "unbiased". Science is biased by business....

Here is the dilemma. "Modern" science has been around for about 150 years. And technology is depleting resources. If one projects out for 2000 years, there will be no science, as resources will have long vanished except for the "few", and these may be compromised(destroyed) as acts of envy by others.(Already the infrasture of the U.S. is decaying.) Maintenance is a higher cost than the research....

There is some benefit of modern science short term, but long term, this may not(probably will not) happen. So modern science will have been in vain for the common good of mankind.

Even at the present, one sees that wars are for resources, and the protection of their products. It will only grow worse as both are sought after and depleted.

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"Violent TV, films and video games do increase aggression, an international panel of experts has said, as they warn parents to keep an eye on what their children are watching. "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
War did not decline during the course of the 20th century. In fact, mankind experienced some of the most destructive wars of all times due to the invention of horrific weaponry.
http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/peace/c...
We are eating cheaper food with less and less nutrional content - thanks to the efforts of the scientifcally fueled manufactured food industry. These chemically altered counterfeit food stuffs have contributed to an epidemic of obseity and associated illnesses throughout the world.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/201...
Modern medicine kills more often than it cures. "Modern Medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and they're often more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to treat. ninety per cent of Modern Medicine could disappear from the face of the earth--doctors, hospitals, drugs and equipment--and the effect on our health would be immediate and beneficial." - Dr. Robert S. Mendolsohn
What makes your sources more valid than mine, other than your belief that they are?
Your first one has never presented reliable data, the study is nothing more than conjecture. It's akin to saying "it's snowing outside so it must be snowing in Arizona as well."

Second one only supports my original assertion.

Third one is a doomsday fearmonger notion, based on the assertion that was paid for by "natural health" product corporations, it's nothing more than a snake oil ploy to scare people into buying the over priced, and possibly deadly, alternatives to super market foods.

Your final quote is much like your final link, based on no science, no facts, just used to try to scare gullible people into buying their junk instead.

I posted statistics that not only support my assertion, but also oppose your sources without even blinking. I mean, the FBI even states that crime is down in the US, and they have a vested interest in inflating those statistics.

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I think Penn tells it best:

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Warning, they have experts for and against in their shows. You may not want to watch it if you don't like facts.

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KittenKoder
Yes. I am conflating business with science. Just as the "military-industrial complex" exists. To deny that business and science are conflated is not rational. Likewise today more than ever political propaganda via "established news media" is probably 99% controlled, yet called "unbiased". Science is biased by business....
Here is the dilemma. "Modern" science has been around for about 150 years. And technology is depleting resources. If one projects out for 2000 years, there will be no science, as resources will have long vanished except for the "few", and these may be compromised(destroyed) as acts of envy by others.(Already the infrasture of the U.S. is decaying.) Maintenance is a higher cost than the research....
There is some benefit of modern science short term, but long term, this may not(probably will not) happen. So modern science will have been in vain for the common good of mankind.
Even at the present, one sees that wars are for resources, and the protection of their products. It will only grow worse as both are sought after and depleted.
2000 years ago lifespans were about 30, and that was with soap and water. There were wars across the globe. People starved so much that no one even noticed. You really want to go back to that?

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Actually, it can be. The majority of people believed the Earth was flat for a very long time, it's not flat. The majority is also wrong more often than not, so basing anything on the majority is folly.
KittenKoder

So if the majority is wrong more often than not, then democracy is wrong. Or rather, that democracy may begin as an ideal, but then degenerates into tyranny as a result of a malformed, or ill-informed public, governed by elitists and oligarchs.

You have just lent credence to my statement that science is conflated with science, and then tends toward a path of destruction.

It is counterintuitive that we think humanity is progressing because of science but is actually making humanity regress toward destruction.

Dependence on science has become the opiate of the people(with their malformed/ill-formed knowledge, and religion the remedy.

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s/b science is conflated with business....

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So if the majority is wrong more often than not, then democracy is wrong. Or rather, that democracy may begin as an ideal, but then degenerates into tyranny as a result of a malformed, or ill-informed public, governed by elitists and oligarchs.
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That is why the US was never a democracy, democratic republic is the more accurate description, even our founding fathers knew that mob rule is a bad idea, and democracy is mob rule with a procedure.

Science cannot do anything, it is a tool, we use it to better our lives, and it's served us well so far. You are seriously swallowing the whole tackle box, as you are supporting every single pseudo-scientific scam and conspiracy nut on the planet with your assertions here.

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Ours is a path marked by wonders of our own making, but also with barriers, and baffles and MOB border guards (kittykoder types) whose main purpose in life is to protect the scientifically engineered social status quo.
postscriptt

We are part of our environment.

I think the problem of our idealism is that if it deviates in the slightest, then the whole structure falls.

Dependence on self discipline(or perhaps stubborness) that prevents curiosity to see the world from another person's perspective, also tempts one to change. Once known, one cannot go back....
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The tight weave of a scientifically engineered society that makes a comfortable hammock for some just as surely makes a noose that strangles others. Loosening the stranglehold and throwing away the noose is the beginning of culture rather than the end of it. If the notion of "self "is a product of Darwinian evolution - of conveniences and gadgetries, then it is nothing less than a product of science's idea of civilization. By this logic, those who draw their sense of identity and integrity from within - from the self - rather than from technological notions, are basking in the glory of an advanced civilization. And by this logic, the group behavior is retrograde - primitive.

Science's civilization will go on. The pattern is set. It will go on and on until is sucks up the last resources of the planet that so graciously supports it - carrying its minions with it. At the very least, whether or not science's version of civilization brings about the death of the planet, it is clearly no longer required.
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Your first one has never presented reliable data, the study is nothing more than conjecture. It's akin to saying "it's snowing outside so it must be snowing in Arizona as well."
Second one only supports my original assertion.
Third one is a doomsday fearmonger notion, based on the assertion that was paid for by "natural health" product corporations, it's nothing more than a snake oil ploy to scare people into buying the over priced, and possibly deadly, alternatives to super market foods.
Your final quote is much like your final link, based on no science, no facts, just used to try to scare gullible people into buying their junk instead.
I posted statistics that not only support my assertion, but also oppose your sources without even blinking. I mean, the FBI even states that crime is down in the US, and they have a vested interest in inflating those statistics.
You quoted outdated statistics. In your rush to provide links, you didn't read them.

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The distinction made was one of relevance, not popularity. If a majority of people believe something and have for centuries, it can't be attributed to imagination alone.
Why not?

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