Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 Full story: TurkishPress.com 70,983

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

Full Story

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66544 Jan 1, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
In the U.S. children receive 35 vaccinations all told - 48 doses of 14 vaccines by the time they are just six years old. These vaccinations contain 113 different kinds of disease particles, 59 different chemicals, four types of animal cells/DNA from aborted fetal tissue and human albumin and there are 20 more vaccines currently in the Pharma pipeline and yet vaccine efficacy has never been proven! In fact, a common-sense study comparing the health outcomes of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children has never been done in the U.S. to prove the safety and effectiveness of the childhood vaccine regime. THIS is child abuse.
http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/...
In England, Michel Odent, MD showed in two studies that children having received no Pertussis vaccine had 5-6 times less asthma than those who were vaccinated for it.
The rate of autism in the U.S. is now an unthinkable 1 in 100. Those who are unvaccinated boast numbers that run in shocking contrast to the nationís statistics i.e. the incredible absence of autism in the unvaccinated Amish communities of Pennsylvania and Ohio.
Two studies done in New Zealand in 1992 and 1995 show that the unvaccinated children clearly have less allergies, less otitis (ear aches), less tonsillitis, less running noses, less epilepsies and less ADHD.
In Japan (1975-1980), a decision was made to begin the first vaccinations at two years of age instead of at two months. The reason was that more and more was discovered linking vaccines and crib-death (SIDS).
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/06/25/...
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/0...
Full of sh*t creationist with no morals. Posting anti-science propoganda because he's got no proof of god whatsover.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66545 Jan 1, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
You are superimposing your "human" perception of reality on a rock's reality. You are obviously not a rock, how could you know how they perceive reality?
This is officially the most retarded thing I've read today.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66546 Jan 1, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
My five senses tell me a rock is an object, but they can't tell me if it is aware.
Your five senses don't work correctly - it's why you have such difficulty with understanding science.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#66547 Jan 1, 2013
http://www.badscience.net/

I recommend reading Bad Science, by Ben Goldacre.

(It probably won't help the superstitious, but its cogent and a good read)

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66548 Jan 1, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
In the U.S. children receive 35 vaccinations all told - 48 doses of 14 vaccines by the time they are just six years old. These vaccinations contain 113 different kinds of disease particles, 59 different chemicals, four types of animal cells/DNA from aborted fetal tissue and human albumin and there are 20 more vaccines currently in the Pharma pipeline and yet vaccine efficacy has never been proven! In fact, a common-sense study comparing the health outcomes of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children has never been done in the U.S. to prove the safety and effectiveness of the childhood vaccine regime. THIS is child abuse.
http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/...
In England, Michel Odent, MD showed in two studies that children having received no Pertussis vaccine had 5-6 times less asthma than those who were vaccinated for it.
The rate of autism in the U.S. is now an unthinkable 1 in 100. Those who are unvaccinated boast numbers that run in shocking contrast to the nationís statistics i.e. the incredible absence of autism in the unvaccinated Amish communities of Pennsylvania and Ohio.
Two studies done in New Zealand in 1992 and 1995 show that the unvaccinated children clearly have less allergies, less otitis (ear aches), less tonsillitis, less running noses, less epilepsies and less ADHD.
In Japan (1975-1980), a decision was made to begin the first vaccinations at two years of age instead of at two months. The reason was that more and more was discovered linking vaccines and crib-death (SIDS).
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/06/25/...
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/0...
Um, that's what a vaccine is, it's a dead version of the virus. So of course it will contain the disease, that's how it works.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66549 Jan 1, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
A specious argument used one time too many on this forum. Instead of parroting what has already been stated ad nauseam - try to be original. Think you can manage that?
No, it's actually an assertion and one with gigabytes of evidence to support it, on this website alone. Tetrabytes likely on just the US servers.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66550 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, that's what a vaccine is, it's a dead version of the virus. So of course it will contain the disease, that's how it works.
Why do you think science went to "killed" live viruses in the polio vaccine? Because the original version - the "live" virus version caused polio. The live virus vaccine was banned in the U.S. but dumped on third world countries.

New Delhi, Jan. 15: Indiaís health ministry, celebrating a year of freedom from wild polio, now faces a dilemma that public health experts had predicted years ago: the very vaccine it is using to fight polio is causing more polio paralysis than the wild poliovirus.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1120116/jsp/fro...

Science is a man made tool for fact finding, but it is by no means infallible. Any claims it makes should never be taken at face value but thoroughly investigated.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66551 Jan 1, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think science went to "killed" live viruses in the polio vaccine? Because the original version - the "live" virus version caused polio. The live virus vaccine was banned in the U.S. but dumped on third world countries.
New Delhi, Jan. 15: Indiaís health ministry, celebrating a year of freedom from wild polio, now faces a dilemma that public health experts had predicted years ago: the very vaccine it is using to fight polio is causing more polio paralysis than the wild poliovirus.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1120116/jsp/fro...
Science is a man made tool for fact finding, but it is by no means infallible. Any claims it makes should never be taken at face value but thoroughly investigated.
Yes, and? Those governments are stupid for doing that.

Vaccines work by "training" the immune system to battle the live virus, the chemical receptors which the virus attaches to have to be blocked by an alternate chemical, so the immune system needs to know what chemicals to block, thus you inject a dead version of it and the body does just that. That's literally the only way to prevent viral illnesses from spreading, make the population immune to it.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66552 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and? Those governments are stupid for doing that.
Vaccines work by "training" the immune system to battle the live virus, the chemical receptors which the virus attaches to have to be blocked by an alternate chemical, so the immune system needs to know what chemicals to block, thus you inject a dead version of it and the body does just that. That's literally the only way to prevent viral illnesses from spreading, make the population immune to it.
Like the U.S. was stupid enough to use Corexit (banned in other countries) on the Gulf oil spill? Government imbecility is not confined to third world countries obviously.

Training the immune system is the theory, but not the results. Because science considers the body to be no more than a machine, it wrongly assumes that the body can't tell the difference between a real virus and a counterfeit. The body develops an immunity against the counterfeit, not the real thing hence the continued presence of diseases presumably eradicated. If this isn't bad enought - the litany of chemicals found in vaccines cause other serious problems particularly for children - which is unconscionable to anybody with even a vestige of morality.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66553 Jan 1, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
Like the U.S. was stupid enough to use Corexit (banned in other countries) on the Gulf oil spill? Government imbecility is not confined to third world countries obviously.
Training the immune system is the theory, but not the results. Because science considers the body to be no more than a machine, it wrongly assumes that the body can't tell the difference between a real virus and a counterfeit. The body develops an immunity against the counterfeit, not the real thing hence the continued presence of diseases presumably eradicated. If this isn't bad enought - the litany of chemicals found in vaccines cause other serious problems particularly for children - which is unconscionable to anybody with even a vestige of morality.
So now you think I actually think the US government is a better one? You must be joking ... or not paying any attention to anything I post.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66554 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So now you think I actually think the US government is a better one? You must be joking ... or not paying any attention to anything I post.
I think the U.S. government should not allow U.S. Pharma to spread it's failures overseas for profit.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66555 Jan 1, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the U.S. government should not allow U.S. Pharma to spread it's failures overseas for profit.
That's not the US' problem, anymore than it was our responsibility to kill a country's leader. You like the bully US but decry it, I just decry the US government. It should learn to keeps it's nose out of everyone's business more often, not butt in more. Pharma companies are not just US owned, many are actually Chinese and Japanese. There's a huge one in India that actually supplies a lot of the medicines to the US. India practically owns the medical industry as a whole, their advances surpass the US by quite a bit.

Now I gave you the benefit of the doubt on some of your assertions here, and didn't actually verify your sources. But you're sounding like one of those anti-vaccer nut job conspiracy morons, or an ultra nut liberal.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66556 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not the US' problem, anymore than it was our responsibility to kill a country's leader. You like the bully US but decry it, I just decry the US government. It should learn to keeps it's nose out of everyone's business more often, not butt in more. Pharma companies are not just US owned, many are actually Chinese and Japanese. There's a huge one in India that actually supplies a lot of the medicines to the US. India practically owns the medical industry as a whole, their advances surpass the US by quite a bit.
Now I gave you the benefit of the doubt on some of your assertions here, and didn't actually verify your sources. But you're sounding like one of those anti-vaccer nut job conspiracy morons, or an ultra nut liberal.
Calling anti-vaccination sentiment a conspiracy theory, only works as long as your child is not a victim.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but the majority of pharmacies in America are privately owned and operated by americans. If the U.S. government can impose criminal repercussions for activities on foreign soil that violate the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) such as the bill H.R. 313, the "Drug Trafficking Safe Harbor Elimination Act of 2011, it can do so with legal drugs sold overseas via black market distribution networks involving well known American companies like Walgreens and CVS pharmacies.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66557 Jan 2, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling anti-vaccination sentiment a conspiracy theory, only works as long as your child is not a victim.
I don't know where you are getting your information, but the majority of pharmacies in America are privately owned and operated by americans. If the U.S. government can impose criminal repercussions for activities on foreign soil that violate the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) such as the bill H.R. 313, the "Drug Trafficking Safe Harbor Elimination Act of 2011, it can do so with legal drugs sold overseas via black market distribution networks involving well known American companies like Walgreens and CVS pharmacies.
How can anyone have a civilised discussion with you?

You just admitted that you believe that rocks can talk....!

Go back to your creationist cave troll, save the big words for the smart people.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66558 Jan 2, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling anti-vaccination sentiment a conspiracy theory, only works as long as your child is not a victim.
I don't know where you are getting your information, but the majority of pharmacies in America are privately owned and operated by americans. If the U.S. government can impose criminal repercussions for activities on foreign soil that violate the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) such as the bill H.R. 313, the "Drug Trafficking Safe Harbor Elimination Act of 2011, it can do so with legal drugs sold overseas via black market distribution networks involving well known American companies like Walgreens and CVS pharmacies.
Everytime you post a piece of creationist propoganda here, I will buy ten copies of the god delusion to distribute to hotels around the world.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66559 Jan 2, 2013
EdSed wrote:
http://www.badscience.net/
I recommend reading Bad Science, by Ben Goldacre.
(It probably won't help the superstitious, but its cogent and a good read)
The cool thing about bad science is that it highlights that fact that scientists are great at admitting when something isn't right or doesn't add up, factually or experimentally.

If only the same could be said for lying creationists...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#66560 Jan 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
How can anyone have a civilised discussion with you?
You just admitted that you believe that rocks can talk....!
Go back to your creationist cave troll, save the big words for the smart people.
Ditto, lame brain. Should postscript need your opinion, he should consult with your pet rock.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#66561 Jan 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Everytime you post a piece of creationist propoganda here, I will buy ten copies of the god delusion to distribute to hotels around the world.
You would be wasting your time. The title the God Delusion says it all. In a hotel, a book written by a religious bigot would be used as toilet paper.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#66562 Jan 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
The cool thing about bad science is that it highlights that fact that scientists are great at admitting when something isn't right or doesn't add up, factually or experimentally.
If only the same could be said for lying creationists...
Science has the morality of lint and so do you. I'd suggest you and your superhero do some soul searching if you had souls.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#66564 Jan 2, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
Awareness is the universal property of "all" matter, and that includes rocks. Just because the existence of consciousness in all things is beyond your level of comprehension, or can't be tested using the scientific method, doesn't mean it is not true.
If you consider a rock to be aware or conscious, then you are using *very* different definitions of the words 'aware' and 'conscious' than everybody else.
Scientists assume that consciousness "requires" a complex brain.
Using the *usual* definition of consciousness, a very complex system of inputs and responses is required. This is, as far as we have seen so far, limited to brains. it is possible CPUs will get to consciousness at some point, but not yet.
They use this assumption to formulate other assumptions, which are then presented as scientific factoids (something resembling a fact, but not verified). They reason that in humans at least, consciousness must be located somewhere in the central cortex of the brain. One would think that if huge portions of the cerebral cortex were missing, awareness would likewise be missing, but predictably when one deals in assumptions - one is wrong more often than not.
Actually, if certain pieces of the brain stem are missing, so is consciousness. In fact, if these areas are simply suppressed, you will lose consciousness. That is one way anesthetics work.
"Some hydranencephalic children - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydranencephaly - give every appearance of genuine consciousness, or awareness. They respond to people and things in their environment. When someone calls, they perk up. The children smile, laugh and cry. They know the difference between familiar people and strangers. They move themselves towards objects they desire. And they prefer some kinds of music over others. If some children with hydranencephaly are conscious, then the brain does not require an intact cerebral cortex to produce consciousness."
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwave...
Yes, this type of awareness is located in the brain stem, not in the cortex.
Research findings regarding other creatures challenge the scientific assumption that only complex brains are capable of possessing consciousness. Octopuses for example,- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus - are classified within the invertebrates in the mollusk family - and many mollusks, like clams, have no brain. Birds have more complex brains than an octopus yet these boneless, so-called mindless critters exhibit not only intelligence, but emotion and individual personalities. They can unscrew jar lids - they are escape artists finding clever ways to get out of aquariums - they can be trained to distinguish between different shapes and patterns - all examples of awarenss not dependent upon a complex brain. So much for scientific factoids, eh?
Once again, a distortion of what the actual science says. Octopi actually have fairly developed brains for invertebrates. And yes, many birds are more intelligent than octopi.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Atheism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Atheists Aren't the Problem, Christian Intolera... 1 hr Eagle 12 2,272
Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038 (Apr '12) 2 hr polymath257 23,199
Atheism requires as much faith as religion? (Jul '09) 4 hr Joe fortuna 232,895
Can Atheists Know God Does Not Exist When They ... 7 hr Yiago 148
A New Kinder, Gentler Atheism 13 hr _Bad Company 141
Islam is the Enemy (Sep '12) 13 hr thetruth 34
God' existence 13 hr thetruth 67
More from around the web