Atheists on the march in America

There are 20 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#66793 Jan 7, 2013
Calm Liberal wrote:
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Can anyone explain to me why religious nuts are so anxious that everybody else buy into their nonsense? I mean, ok, I don't beleive in god. So how is that any skin off a believer's nose?
Thoughts?
I strongly suspect that they secretly believe that there is some sort of sales quota with a reward system based on how many converts they get, and they are hoping for a nicer house in heaven as a result.(Or maybe prettier wings or a flashier harp.)

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#66794 Jan 7, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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I strongly suspect that they secretly believe that there is some sort of sales quota with a reward system based on how many converts they get, and they are hoping for a nicer house in heaven as a result.(Or maybe prettier wings or a flashier harp.)
Ok, I will be sending you a bill for the cleaning of my shirt. I had a mouth full of coffee when I read your post.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#66795 Jan 7, 2013
Calm Liberal wrote:
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Ok, I will be sending you a bill for the cleaning of my shirt. I had a mouth full of coffee when I read your post.
You are new here so let me warn you that drinking hot liquids while reading posts in these threads is never a smart idea.

Also, either get a set of industrial strength irony meters or keep them away from the computer while reading. They will blow up.
John

United States

#66796 Jan 7, 2013
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle thought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 64,100 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#66797 Jan 7, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You are new here so let me warn you that drinking hot liquids while reading posts in these threads is never a smart idea.
Also, either get a set of industrial strength irony meters or keep them away from the computer while reading. They will blow up.
Thanks for the safety tips!

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#66798 Jan 7, 2013
John wrote:
There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle thought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 64,100 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!
Your say, "Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof." Any first year college student knows that it is not necessary to prove a negative. You say that God exists. I say that God does not exist. The burden of proof is on you, not me. I really don't care if you have been deluded into believing in Old and New Testament fairy tales. I don't see any reason to prove that God doesn't exist, any more than I feel obligated to prove that Santa Clause doesn't exist. But if you want me to believe in God, YOU have to prove it.
You also say, "That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons." How ironic that you view people who don't believe in God "loons". Only in your world is a person a "loon" because he doesn't belive in an invisible man in the sky.
But my favorite offering from you is this little tidbit of foolishness and self-contradiction: "Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom. Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!" You complain about "ad hominem" attacks then type "Cowards!" LOL. What exactly is so "cowardly" about being an atheist?
Here is the bottom line, Ace. You believe in an invisible super-hero. And you are angry that some of us are not big enough suckers to share your belief. I suspect that the reason your post is so verbose is that you think that by piling up enough words, you can obscure the fact that, far from being a "rational freethinker", your are a superstitious dolt. Being pompous about it doesn't help. It just means you're a pompous, superstitious dolt.
(dusting off my hands) Ok, I'm done with you.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#66799 Jan 7, 2013
Which naturally doesn't count.
postscriptt wrote:
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My direct personal experience.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#66800 Jan 7, 2013
Because god is a self projection of themselves. A projection they are usually taught from childhood and it is a self assuring mechanism for them. Notice god always agrees with the theist. So when we say we do not believe in god they take it as a personal insult which is why we see their anger and vitriol and only verifies my point.

I proposed a simple question to the theists and all of them have refused to answer to even try to answer. Why should anyone accept god as anything more than a product of one's imagination? It seems simple enough yet they day after day fail to answer it.

The only attempt any of them made was, when you believe completely in god you can feel god. Which is no different than a child and Santa Claus. Or men who delude themselves into thinking they could land a playboy playmate if they just had the chance to meet her. Both the child with santa or the chump thinking Heff needs to sweat him will get upset if you don't play along just like people with God. Imagination and delusion are powerful forces.
Calm Liberal wrote:
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Can anyone explain to me why religious nuts are so anxious that everybody else buy into their nonsense? I mean, ok, I don't beleive in god. So how is that any skin off a believer's nose?
Thoughts?

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#66801 Jan 8, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Because god is a self projection of themselves. A projection they are usually taught from childhood and it is a self assuring mechanism for them. Notice god always agrees with the theist. So when we say we do not believe in god they take it as a personal insult which is why we see their anger and vitriol and only verifies my point.
I proposed a simple question to the theists and all of them have refused to answer to even try to answer. Why should anyone accept god as anything more than a product of one's imagination? It seems simple enough yet they day after day fail to answer it.
The only attempt any of them made was, when you believe completely in god you can feel god. Which is no different than a child and Santa Claus. Or men who delude themselves into thinking they could land a playboy playmate if they just had the chance to meet her. Both the child with santa or the chump thinking Heff needs to sweat him will get upset if you don't play along just like people with God. Imagination and delusion are powerful forces.
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You raise some good points. I was having an argument with a religious nut who was ranting about Clinton being responsible for 9/11. According to the nut, President Clinton did not take any action against terrorists that might have prevented the 9/11 attacks. So I asked the nutjob whether or not he thought God could have prevented the attacks.

The nut replied, "Of course". So I asked, "Then why didn't he?" The nut replied that 9/11, like everything else, was "God's will". Which led me to this question: "Then why do you think Clinton should have interfered in God's will?" The nutjob replied that I was an idiot, mumbled someting about Israel and the Old Testament, then suddenly remembered he was late for an appointment. LOL

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#66802 Jan 8, 2013
Reason is not the theist's friend :) great job making his head spin btw. I used to make theists squirm by asking them when was the last time they realized god disagreed with them. When they pause and stutter I don't know I say, well all believers answer as you did. How could one god agree with all of you unless he were merely a self projection? Doesn't it seem more likely that way that he is a self projection hence why so many people different as night and day all think god is in lock step with them, or that one deity rapidly canges his POV billions of times a second to fit his believers?

Lol
Calm Liberal wrote:
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You raise some good points. I was having an argument with a religious nut who was ranting about Clinton being responsible for 9/11. According to the nut, President Clinton did not take any action against terrorists that might have prevented the 9/11 attacks. So I asked the nutjob whether or not he thought God could have prevented the attacks.
The nut replied, "Of course". So I asked, "Then why didn't he?" The nut replied that 9/11, like everything else, was "God's will". Which led me to this question: "Then why do you think Clinton should have interfered in God's will?" The nutjob replied that I was an idiot, mumbled someting about Israel and the Old Testament, then suddenly remembered he was late for an appointment. LOL

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#66803 Jan 8, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Reason is not the theist's friend :) great job making his head spin btw. I used to make theists squirm by asking them when was the last time they realized god disagreed with them. When they pause and stutter I don't know I say, well all believers answer as you did. How could one god agree with all of you unless he were merely a self projection? Doesn't it seem more likely that way that he is a self projection hence why so many people different as night and day all think god is in lock step with them, or that one deity rapidly canges his POV billions of times a second to fit his believers?
Lol
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LOL. Good argument. Here is another. Ask a theist if he thinks God knows everything that is going to happen in the future. He will probably say "Yes". Then ask him if God gets angry when people sin. Again he will probably say yes. Then ask him, "Well, why should God get mad at a person for sinning if he already knew the person was going to sin?"
John

United States

#66804 Jan 8, 2013
Calm liberal LOL, how about outed loon. You purposefully and incorrectly submitted multiple claims I have made. That's what liberals do; calm or otherwise.

I've simply noted you have no evidence that meets your own criteria in this arena.

I've simply noted you loons spend an inordinate amount of time fighting a God you don't believe in.

I've simply noted your intellectual cowardice and hypocrisy.

When you get over your nothing let me know what your nothing is. I don't debate nothing.

I will debate the evidences and reasons for belief in a prime mover vs whatever nonsense you choose. You can't even dip your little toe in the big boy pool though can you bigot? My evidence will be the nothing you respond with.

I especially like Obama voting nothings patting theirselves on the back as if they are the intellectuals. Honey, you got nothing except a forum about nothing.

Stump an antitheist? Ask them what they believe. So?
John

United States

#66805 Jan 8, 2013
Atheism is anti-science. Unreasonable. Irrational. Illogical. Hateful. Sexist. Homophobic. Do I win?.....loons.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66806 Jan 8, 2013
John wrote:
Atheism is anti-science. Unreasonable. Irrational. Illogical. Hateful. Sexist. Homophobic. Do I win?.....loons.
You sure do win the projection award for consistently projecting your failures onto us.

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#66808 Jan 8, 2013
John wrote:
Calm liberal LOL, how about outed loon. You purposefully and incorrectly submitted multiple claims I have made. That's what liberals do; calm or otherwise.
I've simply noted you have no evidence that meets your own criteria in this arena.
I've simply noted you loons spend an inordinate amount of time fighting a God you don't believe in.
I've simply noted your intellectual cowardice and hypocrisy.
When you get over your nothing let me know what your nothing is. I don't debate nothing.
I will debate the evidences and reasons for belief in a prime mover vs whatever nonsense you choose. You can't even dip your little toe in the big boy pool though can you bigot? My evidence will be the nothing you respond with.
I especially like Obama voting nothings patting theirselves on the back as if they are the intellectuals. Honey, you got nothing except a forum about nothing.
Stump an antitheist? Ask them what they believe. So?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't spend any time "fighting God", as I don't believe there is anything to fight. You know, John, your act is pretty old among us atheists. You babble on and on about some high sounding philosophical rubbish, but it all boils down to the same thing. "God exists because I say so, and if you don't agree, you're a loon, also because I say so." Yawn

Here is my opinion in a nutshell, John. Your belief system is based on mythology and superstition. I don't care whether you believe in God or not. I think it's a silly idea that people should have outgrown many, many years ago. But if you choose to hang on to it, who's stopping you? All I'm saying is that calling people "loons" every few seconds does not prove you're right. It just proves you are very angry and unhappy. Sorry about that. But I can't help you.
John

United States

#66809 Jan 8, 2013
Ummm, ummm....but you don't believe in God. Thanks for the dance bigot. All your noise and accusations, assertions, etc are merely attempts to steer the narrative from your nothing.

I notice you avoided my questions and came back with nothing of your own. Thank nothing you had a God to post about.

So much for you self proclaimed intellectuals.(stomps on bug)
John

United States

#66810 Jan 8, 2013
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 64,120 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#66811 Jan 8, 2013
I believe you're a nobjockey.
John wrote:
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
John

United States

#66812 Jan 8, 2013
You might as well scream, "I'm stumped!" Aren't you tolerant of homosexuals?

Get your nothing out of here!

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#66813 Jan 8, 2013
John wrote:
You might as well scream, "I'm stumped!" Aren't you tolerant of homosexuals?
Get your nothing out of here!
Easy there, psycho. I bet you throw rocks at thinks you don't understand, don't you?

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