Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70650 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66676 Jan 5, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Within yourself. Learn to trust that evidence. Your earthbound assessments are not the limit of your reality.
Trusting in fanciful wishing is delusion. I care not to share your mental instability. If what I present cannot be reproduced by others, I fully accept that it was a dream and nothing more. You cannot accept that, because you fear not knowing.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66677 Jan 5, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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And yet a belief in god(s) persists despite science's theorizing and litany of changing facts.
The human psyche senses the existence of a greater non-physical reality. A belief in god(s) is a manifestation of this inner knowing and religions are attempts to objecify this knowledge.
150 years of science has given us the Moon, computers, clean water and food, longer lives ... religion has been indoctrinating people for thousands of years, you can't cure a social illness that's been around for thousands of years in only 150 years, it takes longer than that.

Despite religion's non-answers, woowoo, and believers, it has never once offered more than war.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66678 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Trusting in fanciful wishing is delusion. I care not to share your mental instability. If what I present cannot be reproduced by others, I fully accept that it was a dream and nothing more. You cannot accept that, because you fear not knowing.
You think trust is a delusion and yet you trust science to give you accurate answers. You are confused.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66679 Jan 5, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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You think trust is a delusion and yet you trust science to give you accurate answers. You are confused.
Science hasn't failed to produce beneficial results yet. Religion has not succeeded in doing so. It's a fool who trusts that which does not deliver.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66680 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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150 years of science has given us the Moon, computers, clean water and food, longer lives ... religion has been indoctrinating people for thousands of years, you can't cure a social illness that's been around for thousands of years in only 150 years, it takes longer than that.
Despite religion's non-answers, woowoo, and believers, it has never once offered more than war.
How do trips to the moon and computers "cure social illness"? Science, instead of promoting peace and brotherly love - has gone along with religion's warring proclivities by producing unconscionable weapons of mass destruction.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66681 Jan 5, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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How do trips to the moon and computers "cure social illness"? Science, instead of promoting peace and brotherly love - has gone along with religion's warring proclivities by producing unconscionable weapons of mass destruction.
Since the advent of the internet, and a serious increase of sales in violent video games, we have seen a steady decline in criminal activity in the US, with the fastest decline in all of recorded history occurring between 1980 and 1990.

Medicine has enabled us to live not only longer but also comfortably.

Since the multiculturalism caused by the massive communications network world wide we have seen a huge decline in wars, this is literally an era with the least number of wars in all known history.

We can get clean water and food, and not have to worry as much if it will kill us. If it does contain something that winds up making us ill we can take a quick trip to the hospital and get it taken care of relatively painless to what it was like 50 years ago.

Better question: What hasn't scientific advancement done to help improve our species?
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66682 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Since the advent of the internet, and a serious increase of sales in violent video games, we have seen a steady decline in criminal activity in the US, with the fastest decline in all of recorded history occurring between 1980 and 1990.
Medicine has enabled us to live not only longer but also comfortably.
Since the multiculturalism caused by the massive communications network world wide we have seen a huge decline in wars, this is literally an era with the least number of wars in all known history.
We can get clean water and food, and not have to worry as much if it will kill us. If it does contain something that winds up making us ill we can take a quick trip to the hospital and get it taken care of relatively painless to what it was like 50 years ago.
Better question: What hasn't scientific advancement done to help improve our species?
Sources? If you can't provide links - you are making this stuff up.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66683 Jan 5, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Sources? If you can't provide links - you are making this stuff up.
www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Uni...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_W...
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Video_game_indu...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars

All nicely annotated so you can verify the data presented.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#66684 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Science hasn't failed to produce beneficial results yet. Religion has not succeeded in doing so. It's a fool who trusts that which does not deliver.
KK

Science has not failed. It is our trust in those promoters in science that makes one realize science has not delivered....

When I was younger, the promise was that in 10-15 years there would be "free" energy. Instead it costs 5 times what it used to....I am disappointed!

Likewise it is the promoters in religion that makes one think religion has not delievered.

When I was younger religion was respected, now it is ignored or spit upon....I am disappointed!

I am not disappointed in science, and religion. Rather, that they have been used, and in my lack of understanding, did not know it yet....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66685 Jan 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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KK
Science has not failed. It is our trust in those promoters in science that makes one realize science has not delivered....
When I was younger, the promise was that in 10-15 years there would be "free" energy. Instead it costs 5 times what it used to....I am disappointed!
Likewise it is the promoters in religion that makes one think religion has not delievered.
When I was younger religion was respected, now it is ignored or spit upon....I am disappointed!
I am not disappointed in science, and religion. Rather, that they have been used, and in my lack of understanding, did not know it yet....
You are conflating corporations with scientists. You are also ignoring that the benefits from advancement far outweigh the few areas they have been unable to benefit ... yet.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66686 Jan 5, 2013
Oh, and religion has produced very little benefit, a placebo only works for so long before you need the real thing.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66687 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
"Violent TV, films and video games do increase aggression, an international panel of experts has said, as they warn parents to keep an eye on what their children are watching. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

War did not decline during the course of the 20th century. In fact, mankind experienced some of the most destructive wars of all times due to the invention of horrific weaponry.

http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/peace/c...

We are eating cheaper food with less and less nutrional content - thanks to the efforts of the scientifcally fueled manufactured food industry. These chemically altered counterfeit food stuffs have contributed to an epidemic of obseity and associated illnesses throughout the world.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/201...

Modern medicine kills more often than it cures. "Modern Medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and they're often more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to treat. ninety per cent of Modern Medicine could disappear from the face of the earth--doctors, hospitals, drugs and equipment--and the effect on our health would be immediate and beneficial." - Dr. Robert S. Mendolsohn

What makes your sources more valid than mine, other than your belief that they are?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#66688 Jan 5, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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How do trips to the moon and computers "cure social illness"? Science, instead of promoting peace and brotherly love - has gone along with religion's warring proclivities by producing unconscionable weapons of mass destruction.
postcriptt

The virtue of religion is love, prayer, sacrifice. So it is rather the opposite, the vices of man that make war and destruction.

Likewise, the virtue of knowledge does not make war, it is the vice(greed and envy) within men that make war and destruction.

Thus one needs to purge oneself of these vices, and pursue virtue. And in the pursuit of virtue these must be active and not just in the heart and mind. We are not all islands, to isolate ourselves....
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66689 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Oh, and religion has produced very little benefit, a placebo only works for so long before you need the real thing.
Not true. The placebo effect is measurable and quantifiable and often works better than the real thing with fewer side effects.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66690 Jan 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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postcriptt
The virtue of religion is love, prayer, sacrifice. So it is rather the opposite, the vices of man that make war and destruction.
Likewise, the virtue of knowledge does not make war, it is the vice(greed and envy) within men that make war and destruction.
Thus one needs to purge oneself of these vices, and pursue virtue. And in the pursuit of virtue these must be active and not just in the heart and mind. We are not all islands, to isolate ourselves....
Ours is a path marked by wonders of our own making, but also with barriers, and baffles and MOB border guards (kittykoder types) whose main purpose in life is to protect the scientifically engineered social status quo.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#66691 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are conflating corporations with scientists. You are also ignoring that the benefits from advancement far outweigh the few areas they have been unable to benefit ... yet.
KittenKoder

Yes. I am conflating business with science. Just as the "military-industrial complex" exists. To deny that business and science are conflated is not rational. Likewise today more than ever political propaganda via "established news media" is probably 99% controlled, yet called "unbiased". Science is biased by business....

Here is the dilemma. "Modern" science has been around for about 150 years. And technology is depleting resources. If one projects out for 2000 years, there will be no science, as resources will have long vanished except for the "few", and these may be compromised(destroyed) as acts of envy by others.(Already the infrasture of the U.S. is decaying.) Maintenance is a higher cost than the research....

There is some benefit of modern science short term, but long term, this may not(probably will not) happen. So modern science will have been in vain for the common good of mankind.

Even at the present, one sees that wars are for resources, and the protection of their products. It will only grow worse as both are sought after and depleted.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66692 Jan 5, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
<quoted text>
"Violent TV, films and video games do increase aggression, an international panel of experts has said, as they warn parents to keep an eye on what their children are watching. "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
War did not decline during the course of the 20th century. In fact, mankind experienced some of the most destructive wars of all times due to the invention of horrific weaponry.
http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/peace/c...
We are eating cheaper food with less and less nutrional content - thanks to the efforts of the scientifcally fueled manufactured food industry. These chemically altered counterfeit food stuffs have contributed to an epidemic of obseity and associated illnesses throughout the world.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/201...
Modern medicine kills more often than it cures. "Modern Medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and they're often more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to treat. ninety per cent of Modern Medicine could disappear from the face of the earth--doctors, hospitals, drugs and equipment--and the effect on our health would be immediate and beneficial." - Dr. Robert S. Mendolsohn
What makes your sources more valid than mine, other than your belief that they are?
Your first one has never presented reliable data, the study is nothing more than conjecture. It's akin to saying "it's snowing outside so it must be snowing in Arizona as well."

Second one only supports my original assertion.

Third one is a doomsday fearmonger notion, based on the assertion that was paid for by "natural health" product corporations, it's nothing more than a snake oil ploy to scare people into buying the over priced, and possibly deadly, alternatives to super market foods.

Your final quote is much like your final link, based on no science, no facts, just used to try to scare gullible people into buying their junk instead.

I posted statistics that not only support my assertion, but also oppose your sources without even blinking. I mean, the FBI even states that crime is down in the US, and they have a vested interest in inflating those statistics.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66693 Jan 5, 2013
I think Penn tells it best:


http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Warning, they have experts for and against in their shows. You may not want to watch it if you don't like facts.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66694 Jan 5, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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KittenKoder
Yes. I am conflating business with science. Just as the "military-industrial complex" exists. To deny that business and science are conflated is not rational. Likewise today more than ever political propaganda via "established news media" is probably 99% controlled, yet called "unbiased". Science is biased by business....
Here is the dilemma. "Modern" science has been around for about 150 years. And technology is depleting resources. If one projects out for 2000 years, there will be no science, as resources will have long vanished except for the "few", and these may be compromised(destroyed) as acts of envy by others.(Already the infrasture of the U.S. is decaying.) Maintenance is a higher cost than the research....
There is some benefit of modern science short term, but long term, this may not(probably will not) happen. So modern science will have been in vain for the common good of mankind.
Even at the present, one sees that wars are for resources, and the protection of their products. It will only grow worse as both are sought after and depleted.
2000 years ago lifespans were about 30, and that was with soap and water. There were wars across the globe. People starved so much that no one even noticed. You really want to go back to that?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#66695 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Actually, it can be. The majority of people believed the Earth was flat for a very long time, it's not flat. The majority is also wrong more often than not, so basing anything on the majority is folly.
KittenKoder

So if the majority is wrong more often than not, then democracy is wrong. Or rather, that democracy may begin as an ideal, but then degenerates into tyranny as a result of a malformed, or ill-informed public, governed by elitists and oligarchs.

You have just lent credence to my statement that science is conflated with science, and then tends toward a path of destruction.

It is counterintuitive that we think humanity is progressing because of science but is actually making humanity regress toward destruction.

Dependence on science has become the opiate of the people(with their malformed/ill-formed knowledge, and religion the remedy.

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